2018 NBA Draft

[mac222b]

Man it'd be tough to pass on Doncic if he slips to 5. Even if Porter and Bamba and M. Bridges are still there

[EricaLubarsky]

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Im too lazy to do a Covington picture for Mikal Bridges

We are not picking Covington at #5

And yeah, the Hawks are stupid, but not Trae at 3 stupid...

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Im too lazy to do a Covington picture for Mikal Bridges

We are not picking Covington at #5

And yeah, the Hawks are stupid, but not Trae at 3 stupid...

Idk.. Trae is a baller. I can imagine great success with good players around him. Unfortunately he wont yet have that to start with.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Idk.. Trae is a baller. I can imagine great success with good players around him. Unfortunately he wont yet have that to start with.

If he finds his way to the Cavs.......he may...well that's if Lebron comes back.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Remember though that everything before the draft is smoke and mirrors. I don't believe for a second that the Hawks are "definitely" going to draft Young.

And if Doncic slips to 5, I still take Bamba provided Bagley isn't there.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Remember though that everything before the draft is smoke and mirrors. I don't believe for a second that the Hawks are "definitely" going to draft Young.

And if Doncic slips to 5, I still take Bamba provided Bagley isn't there.

Knicks want him. I wouldn't be surprised if they didnt use the threat of drafting Young at 3 to get the Knicks to sweeten a deal.

Then again, Hawks are really unhappy with Schroder as their starting point.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Knicks want him. I wouldn't be surprised if they didnt use the threat of drafting Young at 3 to get the Knicks to sweeten a deal.

Then again, Hawks are really unhappy with Schroder as their starting point.

Then they could send #19 for Kemba Walker and still pick Bagley etc

[EricaLubarsky]

28 days

[EricaLubarsky]

27 days

[Underdog]

I think I'm done analyzing and trying to predict this draft... For one, it's so almost impossible to predict what the 4 teams before us will do... But also, I can talk myself in circles about Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, JJJ, MPJ, Bamba, and Bridges all day, but the truth is that I'll be happy with any of them... It's mostly going to come down to what Carlisle feels they should add to a DSJ/HB core versus what Donnie thinks we can get in free agency, trades, next year's draft, etc... Basically, I trust that the MBT has more information than I do and will act accordingly.

Just typing that last paragraph gave me tired-head.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I think I'm done analyzing and trying to predict this draft... For one, it's so almost impossible to predict what the 4 teams before us will do... But also, I can talk myself in circles about Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, JJJ, MPJ, Bamba, and Bridges all day, but the truth is that I'll be happy with any of them... It's mostly going to come down to what Carlisle feels they should add to a DSJ/HB core versus what Donnie thinks we can get in free agency, trades, next year's draft, etc... Basically, I trust that the MBT has more information than I do and will act accordingly.

Just typing that last paragraph gave me tired-head.

Oh please, you'll be right back here tomorrow with another draft rumor.

This is literally the only thing we have to look forward to for the next 27 days.

I will say that the real discussion is whether or not we should let what is happening in the playoffs dictate who we pick.

Mike Fisher (I know right?) made a good point on twitter that we traded for Raef Lafrentz to pull Shaq away from the basket only for the two to never see each other in the playoffs.

I think that's a good lesson that you shouldn't be afraid of someone like Bamba just because defensive centers aren't as much of a thing. You pick the best player no matter what.

[FreshJive]

Remember when Steve Kerr traded Marion for Shaq? Lol. People act like that dude is smart.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Oh please, you'll be right back here tomorrow with another draft rumor.

This is literally the only thing we have to look forward to for the next 27 days.

See, that's the thing -- I was originally going to post a bunch of rumors that I'd heard over the past week, but while typing I started to think about how much of it was probably just smoke... Then I decided that all this smoke was giving me a headache, so I spit out that last post and played a video game instead.

I think we've covered pretty much every angle of the 7 players that could be there at #5... Right now it feels like we're spinning our wheels until something actually happens.

I guess what I'm saying is that 27 days feels like an eternity. I need a nap.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by Underdog

See, that's the thing -- I was originally going to post a bunch of rumors that I'd heard over the past week, but while typing I started to think about how much of it was probably just smoke... Then I decided that all this smoke was giving me a headache, so I spit out that last post and played a video game instead.

I think we've covered pretty much every angle of the 7 players that could be there at #5... Right now it feels like we're spinning our wheels until something actually happens.

I guess what I'm saying is that 27 days feels like an eternity. I need a nap.

I hear you. There is this small part of me that is holding out hope that Donnie will make a big move this draft. Package a future first, move Barnes, etc. To get multiple picks. Can you imagine adding JJJ and Doncic? I mean I get that every prospect carries risk but I can not think of a better core to build around.

In the end, we most likely hold tight while other teams out manuever us. Sorry, just not a believer in our creative strategies. Or we will go "all in" for another nightmare scenario made by our organization.

[SMC0007]

Forget about trading Barnes. Unless we get a steal the mbt will not move him.

[sefant77]

Then they pick Doncic instead of getting Barnes. Similar "now" production, higher ceiling.

[mac222b]

I don’t see any way the Grizz give up #4 for Harrison Freaking Barnes. Even with Parsons. Couldn’t they get McCollom or somebody equivalent. They could maybe get Tobias Harris and one Clippers pick

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by mac222b

I don’t see any way the Grizz give up #4 for Harrison Freaking Barnes. Even with Parsons. Couldn’t they get McCollom or somebody equivalent. They could maybe get Tobias Harris and one Clippers pick

It's not just Barnes. It's a 2019 pick from a bad team. Maybe top 10 protected, maybe not.

I think it has legitimate potential. Could someone else out offer us? Probably. But this particular offer addresses their two needs. Win now mode + building towards the future. It has merit.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

It's not just Barnes. It's a 2019 pick from a bad team. Maybe top 10 protected, maybe not.

I think it has legitimate potential. Could someone else out offer us? Probably. But this particular offer addresses their two needs. Win now mode + building towards the future. It has merit.

Why would you argue that we're a bad team and thus may net them a better pick? The more we suck, the better the pick, and thus the more of our future we mortgage.

[Underdog]

I don't see Barnes in our longterm plans unless he's wiling to get paid a lot closer to his actual production, and the players in the 5-10 range of next year's draft aren't nearly as promising as anyone we can get at #4 this year... If you can come out of this draft with a core of DSJ and two of MPJ/JJJ/Bagley/Bamba/Doncic/Bridges, you do it... One in the hand is worth two in the bush, so what's two in the hand worth? Plus finalizing our core this summer gives them a head start on building toward the future.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Why would you argue that we're a bad team and thus may net them a better pick? The more we suck, the better the pick, and thus the more of our future we mortgage.

I'ts not that simple. We go all in on two top 5 picks in the 2018 draft which is loaded. And yes we give up Barnes + next year's first. That's the way it works in these types of scenarios... you give up something to get something.

The real win is we have 3 All Star caliber players all under 21 to build on NOW. The disadvantage of a next year's pick is A. It's a weaker draft and B. it's ANOTHER year of waiting to get that pick. Get them now when you have a deep draft.

[EricaLubarsky]

I see Barnes in our longterm plans the way I see Finley-- good vet with a solid work ethic who is easy to get along with. Those guys aren't super rare, but you need some veteran leadership like that. Once we got Nash and Dirk, we didn't need him anymore, but he helped pass along the culture and keep the locker room a good place to be.

I think it would be a mistake to trade away all our vets for a full batch of youngins. They need to learn how to play, but they also need to learn how to be professionals and Mavericks. Be more like the Spurs than the Magic.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I see Barnes in our longterm plans the way I see Finley-- good vet with a solid work ethic who is easy to get along with. Those guys aren't super rare, but you need some veteran leadership like that. Once we got Nash and Dirk, we didn't need him anymore, but he helped pass along the culture and keep the locker room a good place to be.

I think it would be a mistake to trade away all our vets for a full batch of youngins. They need to learn how to play, but they also need to learn how to be professionals and Mavericks. Be more like the Spurs than the Magic.

You don't pass up trading an asset like Barnes just so he can provide stable veteran leadership... Be more like the Celtics than the Spurs. It's a new era.

Besides, we still have Dirk and Barea.

[turin]

No brainer trading for #4 this yr imo.

[Underdog]

@IsaacLHarris: On ESPN’s live mock draft, they have Michael Porter Jr. going 15th to the Washington Wizards

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@IsaacLHarris: On ESPN’s live mock draft, they have Michael Porter Jr. going 15th to the Washington Wizards

Click bait...unless his workouts/interviews have gone laughably wrong.

But click bait.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@IsaacLHarris: On ESPN’s live mock draft, they have Michael Porter Jr. going 15th to the Washington Wizards

@DallasMavsWorld: Woj says Nuggets might try and package 14 along with Kenneth Faried to shed salary.

Enter the Dallas Mavericks (hopefully)

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@DallasMavsWorld: Woj says Nuggets might try and package 14 along with Kenneth Faried to shed salary.

Enter the Dallas Mavericks (hopefully)

Yes please.

[Underdog]

I seriously doubt Porter slips past the Bulls under any circumstances, but I'd still be totally interested in taking on 1 year of Faried to get the #14 pick.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I seriously doubt Porter slips past the Bulls under any circumstances, but I'd still be totally interested in taking on 1 year of Faried to get the #14 pick.

We could pick MPJ and Robert Williams III. I'd be down with that.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

We could pick MPJ and Robert Williams III. I'd be down with that.

That's one option... Lots of SGs around the #14 spot too... Also might be able to package 14/33 and move up a few spots to grab Bridges... Or package 5/14 and move up to grab Ayton. Lots of options if we can get another lottery pick.

[BPo001]

Is Faried still serviceable? I'll take him for a year. Maybe he can help our rebounding woes.

[sefant77]

Faried makes 14m, it would kill our cap space...dont think its worthy. And Porter slipping to #14 would mean his back is seriously fucked

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Faried makes 14m, it would kill our cap space...dont think its worthy. And Porter slipping to #14 would mean his back is seriously fucked

Who cares about cap space? We are rebuilding and destined for 2-3 years of mediocrity.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Who cares about cap space? We are rebuilding and destined for 2-3 years of mediocrity.

I feel the same way. I hope this doesn't devolve into another Cuban shortcut offseason. Build towards a future contender. We are SO far from that. Young, athletic, cost-controlled, position flexible players is the way to go

[Bryan_Wilson]

1 year at 14m for the 14th pick is a no brainer to me. It doesn't hurt FA plans in 2019 and helps us build to the future. And as UD said you could maybe package and move up into the top 10 if there is a guy who falls that we like. Not saying Porter but who knows, someone always goes later than expected. I'm really not in love with anyone in this free agent class anyway tbh. We like 6-7 guys in this draft maybe you package it and a future pick to get to 7-8 if one of those guys slides since next years class is significantly weaker.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Faried makes 14m, it would kill our cap space...dont think its worthy. And Porter slipping to #14 would mean his back is seriously fucked

Other than BSPN, nobody is talking about picking Porter at 14. You pick Porter at 5 and someone else at 14. For people going ga ga over Capela, well, you could feasibly just draft a better shot blocking version of him in RWIII at 14.

Faried only has one more year on his contract.

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Other than BSPN, nobody is talking about picking Porter at 14.

It's Woj though, who generally doesn't make stuff up. Porter ist just so weird. If he convinces teams that he's fully healthy, he could go as high as #2 for sure. But right now he's nowhere close to the top 10.

[mac222b]

Assuming there is someone they really like who they think will be there around 14. Can get one of the best of the second tier wings there.