Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Your right no one has seen Luka specifically say he wants out

But there are several nba media heads throwing it out there and usually where there's smoke there's a fire shortly to follow.

I personally wouldn't take a chance on upsetting Luka because we don't know what he'll do if he thinks this team isn't capable of competing next year

BREAKING: NBA Executives believes that if the Mavs fail to bring back Kyrie Irving or sign a key free agent, Luka Don?ic will request a trade to a competitive franchise.

(via. HotHoops)

BREAKING NEWS - Via Obvious Hoops

[EricaLubarsky]

https://twitter.com/kcjhoop/status/1667673625518907393

K.C. Johnson


@KCJHoop
Peter Patton is coming home. The Bulls plan to hire the former Loyola Academy/DePaul star in player development, per sources. Patton has worked as shooting coach for the Timberwolves and Mavericks, where he worked closely with another local product, Jalen Brunson, among others

I?d be upset that we lost yet another staff

But also look at our shooting. It was in shambles. He couldn?t have been that important.

[SMC0007]

I'm steering clear of Ayton. If that's the best we can do for Kyrie, I'd be disappointed.

[tap2390]

No thanks to Ayton. There?s a reason none of the four teams that made the conference finals had a traditional center. Guys like Ayton get smoked in drop coverage in the playoffs. I?d much rather have 15-20 mpg of Capela, Lively, or TJD and keep Kyrie than Ayton.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by tap2390

No thanks to Ayton. There?s a reason none of the four teams that made the conference finals had a traditional center. Guys like Ayton get smoked in drop coverage in the playoffs. I?d much rather have 15-20 mpg of Capela, Lively, or TJD and keep Kyrie than Ayton.

Speaking of Capela, someone floated 10/THJ for 15/Capela a while back. Yes all day long to that, and it seems in the more realistic realm of ideas.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Speaking of Capela, someone floated 10/THJ for 15/Capela a while back. Yes all day long to that, and it seems in the more realistic realm of ideas.

Of course. But is anything we like all day long really realistic? I don't think it's enough for Atl

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Of course. But is anything we like all day long really realistic? I don't think it's enough for Atl

Probably not, but some of these ideas like half the franchise for OG are just silly. You could sweaten that deal to make people happy.

A player/pick for another player/pick is what they should be pushing for.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by tap2390

No thanks to Ayton. There?s a reason none of the four teams that made the conference finals had a traditional center. Guys like Ayton get smoked in drop coverage in the playoffs. I?d much rather have 15-20 mpg of Capela, Lively, or TJD and keep Kyrie than Ayton.

I'm getting more and more attached to the idea of just drafting Lively at 10 and be done with it.

Find another rotational caliber big wing defender in some combination of a THJ/Bertans/2027 FRP trade and go with that.

Resign Holiday, Frank and Morris as insurance on min contracts and maybe pick up Azubuike on a min contract for center insurance.

Luka/Wright/Frank
Kyrie/Hardy/Holiday
Green/Bullock/Lawson
?/Maxi/Morris
Lively/Azubuike/McGee

[tap2390]

I can 100% understand the inclination, but can?t get there myself RR. IMO Lively at 10 is a reach because of his limited upside. In my ideal world we draft Bilal Coulibaly, and then find a way to get a second pick for TJD.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by tap2390

I can 100% understand the inclination, but can?t get there myself RR. IMO Lively at 10 is a reach because of his limited upside. In my ideal world we draft Bilal Coulibaly, and then find a way to get a second pick for TJD.

But Lively is already a great defender and shot blocker from a known program. And he got a lot better as the season went which is very important to development. Those shot blocking skills are similar to Walker Kessler and don't grow on trees. He just isn't NBA ready like Kessler.

Again though, we're trying to replace Dwight Powell. If you tell me we're drafting a Tyson Chandler starter kit, then I'm in.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm getting more and more attached to the idea of just drafting Lively at 10 and be done with it.

Find another rotational caliber big wing defender in some combination of a THJ/Bertans/2027 FRP trade and go with that.

Resign Holiday, Frank and Morris as insurance on min contracts and maybe pick up Azubuike on a min contract for center insurance.

Luka/Wright/Frank
Kyrie/Hardy/Holiday
Green/Bullock/Lawson
?/Maxi/Morris
Lively/Azubuike/McGee

Wow that is a horrible team

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Wow that is a horrible team

Maybe so, but at least it is one with an upside.
Mavs are 3 pieces away from being anything close to a contender so I'd rather take my chances with youth, than throw away another pick on a vet with baggage like we did with FR picks in 21, 22, 24 and 29 and several 2nd rounders.

The few picks we have made since 2018 have turned out pretty well for us. Ugh

[sig]

Would like to know what the Pistons plans are for Stewart. He is up for a contract before other young centers. He could maybe play PF but they have Bagley and the 5th pick. Would like to do a deal like OKC and Denver did. OKC deferred some picks to the future for Denver's 29? FRP I'd trade a future 1st like 27 FRP for Stewart and pick 31.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

NBAdraftnet has us taking Lively over Hendricks who they have falling to 12. I know they aren't reliable, but they update more than anyone else.

The fanbase if they didn't pick Hendricks would be hilarious to see. I'm not as enamored with Hendricks as most are.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

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[SMC0007]

If Jarace Walker isn't on the board at #10, there's a cpl guys I'd be ok with. TJD and Leonard Miller aren't in that group.

Unless we SnT Kyrie for a big, I don't want to bother with a Guard or SF. If we obtained a big in a trade I guess I'd be ok with the Cason Wallace route.

We could stretch our depth quite a bit if we moved Kyrie on. Depth or better quality SL.U

The draft is kinda the last flash of excitement before the long haul to October.

[tap2390]

There?s always speculation about stars wanting out? remember Giannis? 99% of it is BS.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Luka mad if team bad. Got it.

At least the Heat got their asses kicked again.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Well all the Aaron Gordon fans were right about him. That has me back on the Hendricks train, but I see no way he makes it to 10.

As we all know, the Mavs need a starting 3, 4, and 5. There is no way they achieve all three this offseason.

You can fill in for the 3 and 4, but the 5 HAS to be addressed.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well all the Aaron Gordon fans were right about him. That has me back on the Hendricks train, but I see no way he makes it to 10.

As we all know, the Mavs need a starting 3, 4, and 5. There is no way they achieve all three this offseason.

You can fill in for the 3 and 4, but the 5 HAS to be addressed.

Completely agree.
That #10 pick has to yield a center one way or another.

It sucks because we're in a position that almost forces us to draft need over BPA.

I think it's all a moot point though because Cuban most likely tanked for the trade asset.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well all the Aaron Gordon fans were right about him. That has me back on the Hendricks train, but I see no way he makes it to 10.

As we all know, the Mavs need a starting 3, 4, and 5. There is no way they achieve all three this offseason.

You can fill in for the 3 and 4, but the 5 HAS to be addressed.

Amazingly enough, Cuban and the "brain" trust haven't been able to fill the 3, 4 and 5 position since realizing they had a generational talent 5 years ago. I suppose better late than never but we are getting pretty close to never in the Luka era.

[BPo001]

Mavs and Nuggets title runs are very similar.

1. Both led by European stars
2. Both with zero all star teammates
3. Both beat KD in the playoffs
4. Both swept the Lakers
5. Both beat the Heat in the finals
6. Both teams first championship

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Mavs and Nuggets title runs are very similar.

1. Both led by European stars
2. Both with zero all star teammates
3. Both beat KD in the playoffs
4. Both swept the Lakers
5. Both beat the Heat in the finals
6. Both teams first championship

We woulda won it all last year if we didn't have Powell as our starting center. I'll take it to my grave that we need to get rid of that guy.

I can accept many ups and downs, but Kidd as coach and Powell at center...no.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

We woulda won it all last year if we didn't have Powell as our starting center. I'll take it to my grave that we need to get rid of that guy.

I can accept many ups and downs, but Kidd as coach and Powell at center...no.

💯

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

We woulda won it all last year if we didn't have Powell as our starting center. I'll take it to my grave that we need to get rid of that guy.

I can accept many ups and downs, but Kidd as coach and Powell at center...no.

So does this mean the Nuggets owner will misinterpret the implications of a new CBA and dismantle the team and try to stockpile dry powder for over a half decade in an ill fated attempt to build through superstar free agency? If so then the Mavs have a chance in the West the next few years.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Daily trade idea which apparently has sources...

https://twitter.com/GrantAfseth/stat...80544426713088

THJ/10 for Bojan/31. Hell no, and I'm a big Bojan fan.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Daily trade idea which apparently has sources...

https://twitter.com/GrantAfseth/stat...80544426713088

THJ/10 for Bojan/31. Hell no, and I'm a big Bojan fan.

Was coming here to post this, but hell to the no. I'm not sure THJ straight up for Bojan makes sense, but using the 10th pick in this type of trade? Garbage.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Mavs and Nuggets title runs are very similar.

1. Both led by European stars
2. Both with zero all star teammates
3. Both beat KD in the playoffs
4. Both swept the Lakers
5. Both beat the Heat in the finals
6. Both teams first championship

Its interesting Jamal Murray isn't a All Star...he sure as hell plays like one.

[BPo001]

Imagine tanking to trade for a 34 year old. I like Bojan, but not for the pick.

[EricaLubarsky]

8 days

We may have a trade lined up but nothing can be announced until draft day

[sig]

I wonder what Pels want for Zion. It's a risk with injuries and salary but not much different than Embiid. If they want out from his contract then matching salary and pick 10?

[saclare]

Originally Posted by sig

I wonder what Pels want for Zion. It's a risk with injuries and salary but not much different than Embiid. If they want out from his contract then matching salary and pick 10?

I'd be down for the risk. He would fit a lot of what we need and the upside is tantalizing. Can he stay healthy and on the floor? Embiid was able to stay in shape and keep the pounds off with his injuries.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Biggest problem with trading with bad teams is the inflated stats unkown. Bojan looks like Jordan on that team because they suck.

Similar issue with Duren who I'd obviously rather have. Is he going to be a great center or just a decent 10/9 guy for a bad team?

You can't just trade the 10th pick for any semi-decent deal. You trade it for the farm or keep it.

[sig]

I know these reports of trades and what teams want to do can be smoke for just plain fake.

I only mentioned Zion because of some article that they'd rather move on from him than trade Ingram. They may not want to do either. Not Mavs related but I think the Wiz should offer Beal.

Now I also see article Warriors want to move up in draft and are using Kaminga as bait to move up. I know there is some negativity about Kaminga in this thread but i like him. I'd certainly offer up 10 and McGee/Bullock for Kaminga and 19 to see if they would take it. The trade checker on Spotrac indicates Bullock for Kuminga is valid as it only uses what Bullock is guaranteed. Trades with GS are tricky with both teams cap restrictions.

[saclare]

One thing is for certain, I'm tired of seeing half-baked, shit-house trade ideas from seemingly everywhere. Since when are there so many terrible-take-filled Mavs fan twitter accounts and how did they get such a following? Lol I can't wait for the draft to be over and we know some sort of direction...

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by saclare

One thing is for certain, I'm tired of seeing half-baked, shit-house trade ideas from seemingly everywhere. Since when are there so many terrible-take-filled Mavs fan twitter accounts and how did they get such a following? Lol I can't wait for the draft to be over and we know some sort of direction...

A top ten pick is one of the most valuable assets in the NBA, so unless it's a huge, one-sided trade, then I doubt the Mavs do it.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by saclare

One thing is for certain, I'm tired of seeing half-baked, shit-house trade ideas from seemingly everywhere. Since when are there so many terrible-take-filled Mavs fan twitter accounts and how did they get such a following? Lol I can't wait for the draft to be over and we know some sort of direction...

Twitter is full of kids and noobs. They don't know the difference between 2k and real life.

[mac222b]

I like Bojan but he?s about to be 35 and has really slipped defensively. Moving THJ and 10 for him would be a terrible use of assets.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by mac222b

I like Bojan but he?s about to be 35 and has slipped defensively. Moving THJ and 10 for him would be a terrible use of assets.

This.

I would do the THJ part in a second. The pick though? One of two FRPs we can trade for a guy who may or may not contribute while not addressing our PF/C issues?

You can never have enough shooting, sure. But if we were 20th in rebounding% instead of 30th, we'd have had 6 more wins and been the 6 seed. If we were somehow top 10, we'd have had HCA. Rebounding is THAT important and our rebounding was THAT bad.

[BPo001]

Is anyone surprised Beal took the Superman, and is now on the trade block?