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Super skilled. Lots of motivation, but lacks social skills or leadership. May not have longetivity in the league because of attitude and ability to get along with others.
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Yeah, I'll co-sign this. And, for perspective, I think Howard actually had a good career in college with a good coach, so he was far more likely to figure that stuff out than Ball, who has spent the last three years getting yanked off of any roster where the coach tried to teach him anything.
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As a life long TCU fan, gimmie Desmond Bane. At pick 18 it might be debatable but no way he is there at 31. Really good strong defender, elite level 3pt shooter, can distribute and has an extremely high motor. Immediately becomes the best defensive guard on the team.
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09-10-2020, 03:30 PM
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As a life long TCU fan, gimmie Desmond Bane. At pick 18 it might be debatable but no way he is there at 31. Really good strong defender, elite level 3pt shooter, can distribute and has an extremely high motor. Immediately becomes the best defensive guard on the team.
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Just watched him some again. Main concern is slow and low release on 3’s. Doesn’t get much lift either. Concern against NBA close outs. Also he’s 6’5 or so but maybe not much wingspan. Do you think he can potentially guard 1-3 or just twos and threes? Hard to get a feel for how they move hips and feet from highlight reels. That he played for Jamie Dixon bodes well. Can’t play for him if you aren’t capable of playing tough, physical man to man defense, so there will be plenty of tape of him on that end. I watched his teams for many years at Pitt and his guys really get after it and compete defensively.
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09-10-2020, 10:55 PM
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Just watched him some again. Main concern is slow and low release on 3’s. Doesn’t get much lift either. Concern against NBA close outs. Also he’s 6’5 or so but maybe not much wingspan. Do you think he can potentially guard 1-3 or just twos and threes? Hard to get a feel for how they move hips and feet from highlight reels. That he played for Jamie Dixon bodes well. Can’t play for him if you aren’t capable of playing tough, physical man to man defense, so there will be plenty of tape of him on that end. I watched his teams for many years at Pitt and his guys really get after it and compete defensively.
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I thought he was legit 6'6". His positioning, anticipation and activity defensively make up for any lack of wingspan. I specifically recorded all TCU games because of him the last 2+ seasons. Even in his highlight and scouting vids he is often defended by longer wings because it's hard to keep up with him off the ball. Best bet is to have those longer arms and close out because he runs off screens well and has as high of a motor as anyone I recall. I see him as a Ray Allen/ Brogdan type mix. If people are interested in a guy being high IQ and mature enough to roll into an NBA team, I'd bet on him. Especially with Luka running the offense.
I think he could take the best opposing offensive guard now and has potential to guard 1-3 but would be ready for high level longer wings after a CPL months. Much like Luka, you can use him earlier than a lot of other draftees, plug and play ready
Gotta love the porn music to this scout video. Lol
https://youtu.be/9R-9RwE7aOM
Look how much he runs off ball. Many times he is WIDE ass open for a 3.
https://youtu.be/47tczQYmpNs
He is a great example of the difference between having athleticism and being a highflyer. He CAN get up and throw it down but he has too many tools for that to be a focal point imo.
https://youtu.be/xqU_bcmSNWo
He has always had decent hops but most importantly he goes strong. Might not always posterize defenders but he is agressive enough to damn sure try and he has got a few .
https://youtu.be/eHUpbsiXfNY
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09-10-2020, 11:21 PM
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I thought he was legit 6'6". His positioning, anticipation and activity defensively make up for any lack of wingspan. I specifically recorded all TCU games because of him the last 2+ seasons. Even in his highlight and scouting vids he is often defended by longer wings because it's hard to keep up with him off the ball. Best bet is to have those longer arms and close out because he runs off screens well and has as high of a motor as anyone I recall. I see him as a Ray Allen/ Brogdan type mix. If people are interested in a guy being high IQ and mature enough to roll into an NBA team, I'd bet on him. Especially with Luka running the offense.
I think he could take the best opposing offensive guard now and has potential to guard 1-3 but would be ready for high level longer wings after a CPL months. Much like Luka, you can use him earlier than a lot of other draftees, plug and play ready
Gotta love the porn music to this scout video. Lol
https://youtu.be/9R-9RwE7aOM
Look how much he runs off ball. Many times he is WIDE ass open for a 3.
https://youtu.be/47tczQYmpNs
He is a great example of the difference between having athleticism and being a highflyer. He CAN get up and throw it down but he has too many tools for that to be a focal point imo.
https://youtu.be/xqU_bcmSNWo
He has always had decent hops but most importantly he goes strong. Might not always posterize defenders but he is agressive enough to damn sure try and he has got a few .
https://youtu.be/eHUpbsiXfNY
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thanks for the vids
his release does look kind funky but his % was pretty high
he looks like he's built very solidly
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09-10-2020, 05:05 PM
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I think Toppin is the last thing the Mavs need. Picking this year around #5-7 and i would probably take 14 other player ahead of him
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09-10-2020, 07:16 PM
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I think Toppin is the last thing the Mavs need. Picking this year around #5-7 and i would probably take 14 other player ahead of him
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I’m higher on Toppin than most. He reminds me of a better all-around Aaron Gordon.
I really like Bane’s ability to catch and shoot off screens. I think he’s going to have a long 3&D career despite his negative wingspan and relative lack of explosiveness.
Not a huge Jaden McDaniels guy but the tools are definitely there. I’m just not sure I see him putting it all together.
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I’m higher on Toppin than most. He reminds me of a better all-around Aaron Gordon.
I really like Bane’s ability to catch and shoot off screens. I think he’s going to have a long 3&D career despite his negative wingspan and relative lack of explosiveness.
Not a huge Jaden McDaniels guy but the tools are definitely there. I’m just not sure I see him putting it all together.
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Oh he has probably the biggest bust to star ratio in this draft. Could easily see him washing out. Was just reading an article about his techs and turnovers and how he was benched. They had a talented team and were pretty terrible.
On the other hand: he’s only 19, he has really nice handles for a guy with his length and athleticism. He has good footwork, a legit spin move. Nice touch from mid range. He has NBA range(he hit some deep 3s in the videos I watched). His rebound&blocks numbers were good. He has a little playmaking ability. Really reminds me of Porter Jr. or a larger, more athletic Middleton. Especially in the way he uses his handle and size and footwork to get to his spots at all three levels. I think he will have trouble finishing until he bulks up, he seems to shy away from contact. Character issues may keep him off our board, but I’m curious to see who takes him and how far he slides.
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09-16-2020, 07:40 AM
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The NBA has locked in Nov. 18 for the 2020 draft, sources told Adrian Wojnarowski.
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09-16-2020, 10:40 AM
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The NBA has locked in Nov. 18 for the 2020 draft, sources told Adrian Wojnarowski.
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Booooo! it was originally planned for October 16th and thought it was just a month away
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09-16-2020, 10:47 AM
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Newest NBADraft.net mock has us ending up with Tyrell Terry and Isaiah Stewart. I can’t imagine the draft being much better than that.
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Newest NBADraft.net mock has us ending up with Tyrell Terry and Isaiah Stewart. I can’t imagine the draft being much better than that.
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09-16-2020, 11:00 AM
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Newest NBADraft.net mock has us ending up with Tyrell Terry and Isaiah Stewart. I can’t imagine the draft being much better than that.
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Would be more than happy with that. People are sleeping on Terry.
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09-16-2020, 11:01 AM
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Give me Terry or Lewis.
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09-16-2020, 05:51 PM
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Terry has a ton of potential. Just hope no one expects him to be NBA ready defensively.
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Is it crazy that I just want a Terry on this team at all times?
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09-17-2020, 01:56 AM
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Is it crazy that I just want a Terry on this team at all times?
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Haha nope 👍
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09-17-2020, 10:16 AM
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Is it crazy that I just want a Terry on this team at all times?
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JET ruined many of us.
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09-16-2020, 06:50 PM
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nbadraft.net went to toilet years ago, its garbage now....
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09-16-2020, 11:55 PM
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Nbadraft never went downhill
They’ve always been the single worst draft resource both for talent assessment and for predictions. Since the start, they’ve had the biggest delta between predictions and actual draft of any predictive website.
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10-04-2020, 11:27 AM
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10-06-2020, 08:08 AM
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I would really love to see Immanuel Quickley on this team. He's a wiry strong defender with great length, and has an offensive game that's tailor-made for today's NBA with great range and a highly effective floater. Love the growth he showed between freshman and sophomore years. I think he's a steal at 31 but will probably be gone late first.
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I would really love to see Immanuel Quickley on this team. He's a wiry strong defender with great length, and has an offensive game that's tailor-made for today's NBA with great range and a highly effective floater. Love the growth he showed between freshman and sophomore years. I think he's a steal at 31 but will probably be gone late first.
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I like him a lot with the 31 if he's there.
I wouldn't take him 18th, but I think he could be a heck of a complement to Doncic offensively while being able to guard PGs/SGs on the other side. Knocks down open threes (which Doncic will get him), defends, has some limited abilities to run primary ballhandler but would be excellent as a secondary one.
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CBS has us taking Isaiah Steward with #18 and leaving Maxey on the table.
https://youtu.be/nOAAgCzX8vw?t=1868
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Tankathon has him going 29 lol. Tank is usually reliable too, so I'm not sure what CBS is thinking. I do find NBA mock drafts are all over the place though.
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Tankathon has him going 29 lol. Tank is usually reliable too, so I'm not sure what CBS is thinking. I do find NBA mock drafts are all over the place though.
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Yeah, I don't dislike Stewart at all. I think he's a solid player and kind of the Powell/Harrell hybrid that could really benefit the team by defending forwards KP is too slow to and catching massive lobs. Huge character guy.
Still, I think there's a 50/05 chance he's available at 31 and I'm not sure I'd pick up an energy/leadership/physicality guy in the mid-first round. Not with a lot of guards still available who can guard/shoot still on the table. We have like seven guys who are probably a better fit, and I'd bet 5-6 of them are still there at 18:Nesmith, Maxey, Terry, Quickley, Bey boys, Stanley, Winston
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DraftExpress/ESPN has some good stuff. They're the most reliable of any of the prediction sites.
18th pick this year
3% of allstar
19% starter
39% 2nd stringer
29% 3rd/4th stringer
6% bust
31st pick this year
2% of allstar
10% starter
20% 2nd stringer
41% 3rd/4th stringer
27% bust
31st pick - Jahmius Ramsey (Texas Tech)
https://www.nba.com/draft/2020/prosp...hmius-ramsey#/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...eper-prospects
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jahmius-ramsey/
Ramsey seems okay. Is capable of defense and scores in droves. I'm not wild about Maledon. Decently smart kid. Slightly limited. Basically Doncic but shorter and less talented. With Winston, Tyler Bey, Terry, Quickley and others on the table, I'm not sure why we'd get him.
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10-06-2020, 08:04 PM
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I like the Ahtletic one too.
They have Kira Lewis at #18. All the wings and Poku going ahead of 18...
#31 is Woodard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EyvBdhmVPQ&t=828s
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10-06-2020, 09:05 PM
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Ramsey would be a huge steal at 31. There are so many quality guys available at 18 that I wouldn't be too disappointed with any of then as long as it isn't Pokusevski. No clue how he would add enough weight to be a serious NBA player. Wayyyy too thin.
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Btw Maledon is being compared to what people wanted from Franky Smokes.
Both may fall into the same boat, but people really like his feel and IQ for a young kid who stands 6’5”
Still don’t like the pick for #18, but I think he’d make Frank (and Wright) completely unnecessary
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Bane Bump.
I get why people want to take a risk on a higher ceiling player and there is nothing wrong with that, but this is who can be the 2 way player at guard that we can use right out of the box.
https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2020/9...d-bane-profile
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Some player comps -- to me looks like one of the deeper drafts I've seen -- Mavs have a real shot at 18 & 31 both to walk away with good players
LaMelo Ball -> taller Jason Williams
Anthony Edwards -> Victor Oladipo
Deni Avdija -> Hedo Turkoglu
James Wiseman -> Dwight Howard
Killian Hayes -> James Harden/ D’Angelo Russell hybrid
Obi Toppin -> less athletic, more skilled Blake Griffin
Onyeka Okongwu -> Montrezl Harrell
Tyrese Haliburton -> Shai Gilgeous Alexander
Devin Vassell -> Josh Richardson
Isaac Okoro -> Gerald Wallace
Patrick Williams -> Tobias Harris
Aaron Nesmith -> Duncan Robinson
Tyrell Terry -> Mo Williams
Precious Achiuwa -> Richuan Holmes w/ more perimeter skill
Saddiq Bey -> Jae Crowder
Desmond Bane -> Malcolm Brogdon
Jahmius Ramsey -> Caris Levert
Tyrese Maxey -> poor man’s Donovan Mitchell
Cole Anthony -> poor man’s Jamal Murray
Paul Reed -> Nerlens Noel w/ more perimeter skill
Tyler Bey -> Jonathan Isaac
Josh Green -> Justin Anderson w/ more skill/upside
RJ Hampton -> Terrance Ferguson
Immanuel Quickley -> Kentavious Caldwell Pope with more range
Jalen Smith -> Christian Wood
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Some player comps -- to me looks like one of the deeper drafts I've seen -- Mavs have a real shot at 18 & 31 both to walk away with good players
LaMelo Ball -> taller Jason Williams
Anthony Edwards -> Victor Oladipo
Deni Avdija -> Hedo Turkoglu
James Wiseman -> Dwight Howard
Killian Hayes -> James Harden/ D’Angelo Russell hybrid
Obi Toppin -> less athletic, more skilled Blake Griffin
Onyeka Okongwu -> Montrezl Harrell
Tyrese Haliburton -> Shai Gilgeous Alexander
Devin Vassell -> Josh Richardson
Isaac Okoro -> Gerald Wallace
Patrick Williams -> Tobias Harris
Aaron Nesmith -> Duncan Robinson
Tyrell Terry -> Mo Williams
Precious Achiuwa -> Richuan Holmes w/ more perimeter skill
Saddiq Bey -> Jae Crowder
Desmond Bane -> Malcolm Brogdon
Jahmius Ramsey -> Caris Levert
Tyrese Maxey -> poor man’s Donovan Mitchell
Cole Anthony -> poor man’s Jamal Murray
Paul Reed -> Nerlens Noel w/ more perimeter skill
Tyler Bey -> Jonathan Isaac
Josh Green -> Justin Anderson w/ more skill/upside
RJ Hampton -> Terrance Ferguson
Immanuel Quickley -> Kentavious Caldwell Pope with more range
Jalen Smith -> Christian Wood
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Just curious if you made the comps yourself or pulled them from somewhere
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Made them myself for the most part but did have a couple of ideas originate from YouTube videos.
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lol never trust any of these player comps.
This draft is considered to be really really weak. And i also read that pretty much every 2021 Top-10 prospect would go #1 this year...
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lol never trust any of these player comps.
This draft is considered to be really really weak. And i also read that pretty much every 2021 Top-10 prospect would go #1 this year...
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It’s weak on stars, but there are some damn fine starters/journeymen
It's a good thing we have a HOF star already.
We can use another star, but we can get out of the first round with just 1-2 more starting-caliber guys.
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It’s weak on stars, but there are some damn fine starters/journeymen
It's a good thing we have a HOF star already.
We can use another star, but we can get out of the first round with just 1-2 more starting-caliber guys.
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Yeah people are underestimating how deep this draft is -- there are definitely 31 descent prospects and that is all that matters for us.
There seems to be a lot of anecdotal "this draft sucks" going around and I attribute that to the fact that there is no consensus top guy(s).
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