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pickupyonuts · 05-09-2007, 03:17 PM

personally i would take a top 15 for him, we could get mike conley jr. Hell, id even take a top 20 and draft acie law. get it done donnie.

bernardos70 · 05-09-2007, 03:21 PM

I disagree wholeheartedly.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-09-2007, 03:25 PM

What a ridiculous thread.

pickupyonuts · 05-09-2007, 03:28 PM

"devinharriswillstart" i can't believe you would not agree gettin rid of harris based on ur name.

Dr.Zoidberg · 05-09-2007, 03:30 PM

I wouldn´t trade him at all. He was a number 5 pick and is already playoff proven. Why?

LonghornDub · 05-09-2007, 03:32 PM

Why in the world would any team who just won its division trade one of their better players for a draft pick?

You do realize there's a significant chance a draft pick can translate into absolutely NOTHING right? Go look at the previous drafts...half the guys in the first round every year completely fall off the face of the earth. And you'd want to trade a guy who's actually proven he can play for a pick that may be wasted on some guy who is cut from the team after 2 years?

Dortmund · 05-09-2007, 03:40 PM

I would trade Harris for Conley and Law as well. This is gonna be one of the deepest drafts in a while. Lets face it.. Harris has not played like a top 5 pick so far at all. He needs a jumpshot but it has not developed well at all. His form is very questionable. DO IT DO IT

DubOverdose · 05-09-2007, 03:52 PM

He's a proven player. This draft, I say top 10, but I was leaning towards top 5. This year should be deep enough that a top 5 pick is going to be an allstar. I still like DH's potential, and I think he will soon reach it.

capitalcity · 05-09-2007, 04:06 PM

I don't know why, but I think this is my favoritest give-up thread yet.

If the pick is Manbeast Von Blackbeard or Sticks McTalent than sure. Other than those cats, why?

Devin just needs to work on his jumper. If we ever find an amare type who can roll to the basket and finish, Devin will be an All Star.

Tokey41 · 05-09-2007, 04:19 PM

I'd hate to give him up at all, although I can see a lot more talented players in the top 10 range that could contribute immediately. I'd consider trading him, but I really like where he's going defensively, probably wouldn't do it. But if we were to give him up it would definitely need to be top 10.

LonghornDub · 05-09-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dortmund

I would trade Harris for Conley and Law as well. This is gonna be one of the deepest drafts in a while. Lets face it.. Harris has not played like a top 5 pick so far at all. He needs a jumpshot but it has not developed well at all. His form is very questionable. DO IT DO IT

This makes no sense. You haven't seen either Conley or Law against NBA competition. They could both easily flop.

Not saying they will, but it's completely foolish to trade a relatively proven commodity for something that may not pan out at all, unless you're a desperate 30 win team trying to shake things up.

Dortmund · 05-09-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

This makes no sense. You haven't seen either Conley or Law against NBA competition. They could both easily flop.

Not saying they will, but it's completely foolish to trade a relatively proven commodity for something that may not pan out at all, unless you're a desperate 30 win team trying to shake things up.

Alright. Devin Harris is far from a proven commodity. Devn Harris strikes me as aplayer who will never become more than a very good roleplayer. One who can defend and slash... but will never become a good shooter.

A little bit off topic, but I like what Monta Ellis has to offer much better than Devin. He was picked up in the second round and is like 3-4 years younger than Devin! As you can see, a point guard with quickness and not much else is not that tough to find.

globemaster · 05-09-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

Why in the world would any team who just won its division trade one of their better players for a draft pick?

You do realize there's a significant chance a draft pick can translate into absolutely NOTHING right? Go look at the previous drafts...half the guys in the first round every year completely fall off the face of the earth. And you'd want to trade a guy who's actually proven he can play for a pick that may be wasted on some guy who is cut from the team after 2 years?

I haven't seen anything in Devin that is all that special so far. Sure he's fast and can get to the rim, but he doesn't do a good job of finishing and his jump shot is flat out terrible. He's a decent defender, but he's still overrated there. Baron Davis just smoked him...

Devin was a top 5 pick who's been a very average NBA player so far...

GO MAVS!!!

Dortmund · 05-09-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by globemaster

I haven't seen anything in Devin that is all that special so far. Sure he's fast and can get to the rim, but he doesn't do a good job of finishing and his jump shot is flat out terrible. He's a decent defender, but he's still overrated there. Baron Davis just smoked him...

Devin was a top 5 pick who's been a very average NBA player so far...

GO MAVS!!!

Bravo!! exactly how I see it.

pickupyonuts · 05-09-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by globemaster

I haven't seen anything in Devin that is all that special so far. Sure he's fast and can get to the rim, but he doesn't do a good job of finishing and his jump shot is flat out terrible. He's a decent defender, but he's still overrated there. Baron Davis just smoked him...

Devin was a top 5 pick who's been a very average NBA player so far...

GO MAVS!!!

finally another smart fan. all the other players near devins same age, deron williams, chris paul, monta ellis. they have all taken big strides towards becoming better players. even marcus williams at new jersey i think will become a better player.

Dortmund · 05-09-2007, 05:19 PM

You can also add Barbosa on that list..

DubOverdose · 05-09-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dortmund

I would trade Harris for Conley and Law as well. This is gonna be one of the deepest drafts in a while. Lets face it.. Harris has not played like a top 5 pick so far at all. He needs a jumpshot but it has not developed well at all. His form is very questionable. DO IT DO IT

Who, out of his draft, has played like a top 5 pick?
1. Dwight Howard
2. Emeka Okafor
3. Ben Gordon
4. Shaun Livingston
5. Devin Harris
6. Josh Childress
7. Luol Deng
8. Rafael Araujo
9. Andre Iggy
10. Luke Jackson
11. Andris Biedrins
12. Robert Swift
13. Sebastian Telfair
14. Kris Humphries
15. Al Jefferson
16. Kirk Snyder
17. Josh Smith
18. JR Smith
19. Dorell Wright
20. Jameer Nelson
21. Pavel Podkolsuck
22. Viktor Krapa
23. Sergei Monia (who?)
24. Delonte West
25. Tony Allen
26. Kevin Martin
27. Sasha Vujacic
28. Beno Udrih
29. David Harrison

For their careers...I'd take the following over Devin:
1. Dwight
2. Josh Smith
3. Iggy
4. Ben Gordon

Dortmund · 05-09-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DubOverdose

Who, out of his draft, has played like a top 5 pick?
1. Dwight Howard
2. Emeka Okafor
3. Ben Gordon
4. Shaun Livingston
5. Devin Harris
6. Josh Childress
7. Luol Deng
8. Rafael Araujo
9. Andre Iggy
10. Luke Jackson
11. Andris Biedrins
12. Robert Swift
13. Sebastian Telfair
14. Kris Humphries
15. Al Jefferson
16. Kirk Snyder
17. Josh Smith
18. JR Smith
19. Dorell Wright
20. Jameer Nelson
21. Pavel Podkolsuck
22. Viktor Krapa
23. Sergei Monia (who?)
24. Delonte West
25. Tony Allen
26. Kevin Martin
27. Sasha Vujacic
28. Beno Udrih
29. David Harrison

For their careers...I'd take the following over Devin:
1. Dwight
2. Josh Smith
3. Iggy
4. Ben Gordon

haha what a joke. Here is who you take FOR SURE over Devin:
1. D Howard
2. Okafor
3. Deng
4. Iggy
5. Josh Smith
6. Al Jefferson
7. Ben Gordon
and... 8. KEVIN MARTIN

Tokey41 · 05-09-2007, 06:07 PM

1. Dwight Howard
2. Emeka Okafor
3. Ben Gordon
4. Shaun Livingston
5. Devin Harris
6. Josh Childress
7. Luol Deng
8. Rafael Araujo
9. Andre Iggy
10. Luke Jackson
11. Andris Biedrins
12. Robert Swift
13. Sebastian Telfair
14. Kris Humphries
15. Al Jefferson
16. Kirk Snyder
17. Josh Smith
18. JR Smith
19. Dorell Wright
20. Jameer Nelson
21. Pavel Podkolsuck
22. Viktor Krapa
23. Sergei Monia (who?)
24. Delonte West
25. Tony Allen
26. Kevin Martin
27. Sasha Vujacic
28. Beno Udrih
29. David Harrison

The bolds I would definitely say have improved much more than Harris and the italics would be ones i'd also consider selecting over Harris based on what we know now. We needed a PG so we picked him... but man that draft had some great big men waiting in there didn't it? Jefferson would look really nice as a Maverick right about now and Smith would be our ideal sixth man being able to play three positions.

Flacolaco · 05-09-2007, 06:24 PM

What a complete waste of my time this was.

I heart Devin Harris

Dortmund · 05-09-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

What a complete waste of my time this was.

I heart Devin Harris

Think with you brain and not your heart.

vinylstar · 05-09-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pickupyonuts

personally i would take a top 15 for him, we could get mike conley jr. Hell, id even take a top 20 and draft acie law. get it done donnie.

get off my board.

DubOverdose · 05-09-2007, 07:13 PM

What a joke! You seriously say you'd consider JR Smith over Harris? Wasn't JR WAIVED this past season and then George Karl BENCHED him in the playoffs? Livingston is done. He's always injured. Nelson sucks, ask Orlando fans. Martin has had one good year. Again, Jefferson has had one good year. Okafor isn't gonna be around long IMO. Remember, I said career, not one season of play on a shitty team. Seriously, Al Jefferson has had ONE good season on the second worst team in the L. That doesn't compare to playing for a contender.

EricaLubarsky · 05-09-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pickupyonuts

personally i would take a top 15 for him, we could get mike conley jr. Hell, id even take a top 20 and draft acie law. get it done donnie.

Dirk for a 9th pick overall is probably a good move
Terry for a 10th overall
Howard for anything in the first round

dude1394 · 05-09-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Dirk for a 9th pick overall is probably a good move
Terry for a 10th overall
Howard for anything in the first round

Come on erica, that's way to high. Remember the mavs are no better than a 500 team. We'll be lucky to get a first rounder for dirk. Josh will probably be a top 15 because he has so much heart. Jason..well...probably nothing since he's got as much heart as dirk, pretty much worthless.

shaw-xx · 05-09-2007, 08:02 PM

Unless a top 5 player who can play mature in his rookie season, I won't do it. Devin is a proven player though he's inconsistent, I don't want to waste Dirk's another year for a unproved rookie.

StackAttack · 05-09-2007, 08:48 PM

I think this is a ridiculous idea and Devin is absolutely the future of this franchise (along side Josh after Dirk's done). I'm just not sure the Mavs organization thinks that way...

Dirkadirkastan · 05-09-2007, 09:02 PM

I boycott this poll.

V2M · 05-09-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

I boycott this poll.

I second that...

dude1394 · 05-09-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by V2M

I second that...

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan
I boycott this poll.

I second that...

I DOUBLE-IT!!!

Dortmund · 05-09-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by StackAttack

I think this is a ridiculous idea and Devin is absolutely the future of this franchise (along side Josh after Dirk's done). I'm just not sure the Mavs organization thinks that way...

ugh... Howard has a slight chance. Harris doesnt. Honestly neither of those two will ever be capable of being the stars on a championship contender. This talk is rubbish.

pickupyonuts · 05-09-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by StackAttack

I think this is a ridiculous idea and Devin is absolutely the future of this franchise (along side Josh after Dirk's done). I'm just not sure the Mavs organization thinks that way...

come one now. when dirk is done, that means josh is on his way spiraling down. hes not young anymore. josh is one year younger than kobe and dirk...but yeah, hes the future. ask lakers and mavs who they feel they need to surround w/ talent RIGHT NOW. because soon it will be too late. and howard is only one year younger. well done.

Dortmund · 05-09-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DubOverdose

What a joke! You seriously say you'd consider JR Smith over Harris? Wasn't JR WAIVED this past season and then George Karl BENCHED him in the playoffs? Livingston is done. He's always injured. Nelson sucks, ask Orlando fans. Martin has had one good year. Again, Jefferson has had one good year. Okafor isn't gonna be around long IMO. Remember, I said career, not one season of play on a shitty team. Seriously, Al Jefferson has had ONE good season on the second worst team in the L. That doesn't compare to playing for a contender.

One of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. First of all lets clear this up. Harris still has NOT had ONE GOOD SEASON! Al Jefferson averaged a double double with 1.5 blocks a game.. not to mention Kevin Martin's 20 ppg and 4 reb along with more than one steal a game. Good numbers no matter where you play. I dont even want to talk about Okafor who is one of the best defensive players in the game right now.

pickupyonuts · 05-09-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by vinylstar

get off my board.

get off your board? who the hell are you.

mavsfan1000 · 05-09-2007, 10:06 PM

Top 5.

pickupyonuts · 05-09-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DubOverdose

What a joke! You seriously say you'd consider JR Smith over Harris? Wasn't JR WAIVED this past season and then George Karl BENCHED him in the playoffs? Livingston is done. He's always injured. Nelson sucks, ask Orlando fans. Martin has had one good year. Again, Jefferson has had one good year. Okafor isn't gonna be around long IMO. Remember, I said career, not one season of play on a shitty team. Seriously, Al Jefferson has had ONE good season on the second worst team in the L. That doesn't compare to playing for a contender.

why wont okafor be around long?!?!??!?!?!??!?! please, do tell.

StackAttack · 05-09-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pickupyonuts

come one now. when dirk is done, that means josh is on his way spiraling down. hes not young anymore. josh is one year younger than kobe and dirk...but yeah, hes the future. ask lakers and mavs who they feel they need to surround w/ talent RIGHT NOW. because soon it will be too late. and howard is only one year younger. well done.

Wow. I honestly did not have any idea Josh was 27.

Dirkgreatness · 05-09-2007, 10:19 PM

Oh God! Are some people on this board becoming mentally ill?

MFFL · 05-09-2007, 10:51 PM

Lets remember that Harris did not have ONE double digit assist game this year. Not one.

The guy is a one trick pony on offense. Its a good trick but he doesn't have anything close to a complete game.

The only reason I wouldn't trade him is that Billups made the jump to star player around the age of 25. Harris is 24 now so next year is a make-or-break season.

Tokey41 · 05-09-2007, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DubOverdose

What a joke! You seriously say you'd consider JR Smith over Harris? Wasn't JR WAIVED this past season and then George Karl BENCHED him in the playoffs? Livingston is done. He's always injured. Nelson sucks, ask Orlando fans. Martin has had one good year. Again, Jefferson has had one good year. Okafor isn't gonna be around long IMO. Remember, I said career, not one season of play on a shitty team. Seriously, Al Jefferson has had ONE good season on the second worst team in the L. That doesn't compare to playing for a contender.

At least JR has a jumpshot, probably wouldn't draft him ahead of Harris but he has as much talent just in different aspects. I don't think Livingston would have turned out bad at all, probably be the same as Harris career wise. Nelson could also be about as good as Harris when its all said and done (and he's younger I believe)

Martins one year trumps Harris's combined years. I would take it... and same with Jefferson, he was on a bad team but i'll wait to pass criticism until next season if the Celts get a top 2 pick and make some adjustments.

And finally how can you say Okafor won't be around long? He has the defensive tools to be around a very long time. I would definitely take him over Harris for a career as I would all the bolded players. The italics are more in Harris's range, he's an italic. He's not ready to be bolded...