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Kidd Karma · 07-13-2010, 02:20 PM

Ugh, the rumor yesterday was that Chandler was headed to Toronto, along with Diaw. I heard Calderon was going to Charlotte, anyways this morning read that MJ had a change in heart.

Was this brass' reaction to the Jefferson move? Geez hope not.

Underdog · 07-13-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Alright, so let me see if I understand this right.

Chandler and Dampier are similar assets. They could have just kept Dampier to be used later, at the trade deadline, but instead they were able to get Chandler, Charlotte got some instant cap relief, and Dallas got to unload a few bad contracts, namely Carroll's. Since they were set on saving Dampier anyway, because the FO doesn't expect any deals to be made this summer that would benefit them, this trade is purely about getting rid of Carroll's contract and saving a little money.

Its also possible they believe that Tyson Chandler is a better center and a better fit, with Kidd and all, than Dampier.

Yep.

Similar asset, better player...

purplefrog · 07-13-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The FO bought Roddy two new best friends.

Maybe the Mavs can get Diaw and make it a quartet.

Underdog · 07-13-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Do you know how big it is?

(UD, I'm setting you up here)

That's what I said?

(I don't get it...)

Male30Dan · 07-13-2010, 02:25 PM

It is on the ESPN.COM/DALLAS site (check the banner out on top - says breaking news)

http://espn.go.com/dallas/

tcat075 · 07-13-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Yep.

Similar asset, better player...

Yeah, certainly he's not the player that the Mavericks were trying to obtain with Dampier, but he is an upgrade while we are waiting for the trade deadline to acquire that player we really want.

And we've acquired two back up centers, and between the two we're hoping that they can lock down the backup 5 when Chandler is traded, if a center isn't acquired in the deal.

And let's not forget we saved a lot of money getting rid of Najera and Carroll, AND grabbed a trade exception.

Lots of things going on in this deal, and I think it might just pan out. This is dependent on someone being acquired at the trade deadline, but I still have my hopes up real high.

jthig32 · 07-13-2010, 02:26 PM

Holy cow Ajinca is also a center? We have four centers now?

41mvp · 07-13-2010, 02:27 PM

If we sign Chandler Shaq disappear from Dallas free agent list.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/382288...s-player_news/

rabbitproof · 07-13-2010, 02:27 PM

I'm buying into this.

Very Laker-y move if we don't cut or re-trade guys and we also get quite younger!

tcat075 · 07-13-2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

That's what I said?

(I don't get it...)

When did you become a she?

jthig32 · 07-13-2010, 02:27 PM

Mavs are saving almost 20Mil (not counting luxury tax) offloading Najera and Carroll.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2010, 02:28 PM

At least Chandler is still young enough to provide some of that athleticism. I see him as a good pairing with Kidd. It will really suck though if he can't stay healthy.

Dan1 · 07-13-2010, 02:28 PM

lol tyson chandler

Underdog · 07-13-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Yeah, certainly he's not the player that the Mavericks were trying to obtain with Dampier, but he is an upgrade while we are waiting for the trade deadline to acquire that player we really want.

And we've acquired two back up centers, and between the two we're hoping that they can lock down the backup 5 when Chandler is traded, if a center isn't acquired in the deal.

And let's not forget we saved a lot of money getting rid of Najera and Carroll, AND grabbed a trade exception.

Lots of things going on in this deal, and I think it might just pan out. This is dependent on someone being acquired at the trade deadline, but I still have my hopes up real high.

Agree 100% with this post.

We lived to fight another day with this deal, whereas someone like Jefferson would have been an all-in move that would either make or break the team (and does anyone REALLY think he would have put us over the top? Cuban doesn't and neither do I...)

tcat075 · 07-13-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Holy cow Ajinca is also a center? We have four centers now?

Well, they thought is to trade Chandler half way through the year. So if we aren't able to grab a center in that deal we try to make, we have two project centers who we are hoping make enough strides to solidify the backup 5.

Ajinca might be a D-league candidate as well.

It is a little odd, though. I'd rather see Ajinca was a backup 4 who could play some 5 or play some 3 or something, seeing how we did trade away Najera.

rabbitproof · 07-13-2010, 02:30 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=5377055

And after Harrington with the MLE!

I'm liking this!

Kidd/Roddy/JJB
Butler/JET/Dojo
Marion/DeShawn
Dirk/Harrington
Wood/Chandler/Aljinca/Mahinimi

Underdog · 07-13-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

At least Chandler is still young enough to provide some of that athleticism. I see him as a good pairing with Kidd. It will really suck though if he can't stay healthy.

We currently have a first-time luxury of sporting 4 centers on the roster (not including Dirk...)

CadBane · 07-13-2010, 02:31 PM

Clearly some of you have not watched Chandler play lately. He is, in no way, shape, or form, a better basketball player than Dampier. In addition to constantly being hurt, (Bobcats fans nicknamed him PussyFoot), he couldn't even get pt over Theo "50 years old" Ratliff and Nazr Muhammad. Chandler is not a good center anymore.

RareMilk · 07-13-2010, 02:31 PM

Not the home run deal fans were hoping/wishing for, but Najera (while serviceable) and Carroll are out of the lineup for a serviceable backup, and maybe fun to watch Tyson, and I don't know anything about the other guy but I know he is french. Are the Mavs going to sign Ian Mahinmi? Roddy is too influential for the FO, he is going to demand Pietrus, and Diaw next.

tcat075 · 07-13-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Agree 100% with this post.

We lived to fight another day with this deal, whereas someone like Jefferson would have been an all-in move that would either make or break the team (and does anyone REALLY think he would have put us over the top? Cuban doesn't and neither do I...)

He might have put us over the top, I'm not going to lie, but there was way too many risks and way too many variables. Injury, recovering from his previous injury, would he be OK coming off the bench, could we get enough minutes for Dirk and Haywood and Jefferson each game, and would our interior defense be strong enough with Jefferson and Dirk as two main cogs getting a lot of minutes.

Rick41 · 07-13-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Holy cow Ajinca is also a center? We have four centers now?

Yes, he was on Charlotte's summer league squad in Orlando last week and i saw him a little bit... he isn't too shabby but needs some work.

SMC0007 · 07-13-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=5377055

And after Harrington with the MLE!

I'm liking this!

Kidd/Roddy/JJB
Butler/JET/Dojo
Marion/DeShawn
Dirk/Harrington
Wood/Chandler/Aljinca/Mahinimi

Harrington wouldn't sign for that and as a backup...would he?

41mvp · 07-13-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=5377055

And after Harrington with the MLE!

I'm liking this!

Kidd/Roddy/JJB
Butler/JET/Dojo
Marion/DeShawn
Dirk/Harrington
Wood/Chandler/Aljinca/Mahinimi

This roster is wonderful

Rick41 · 07-13-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=5377055

And after Harrington with the MLE!

I'm liking this!

Kidd/Roddy/JJB
Butler/JET/Dojo
Marion/DeShawn
Dirk/Harrington
Wood/Chandler/Aljinca/Mahinimi

I had no idea about Harrington.. things clearing up and looking better now.

EricaLubarsky · 07-13-2010, 02:34 PM

Nice move. Its no CP3 but who knows if someone of that caliber was even available.

Haywood/Chandler/Mahinmi/Ajinca now? Thats the biggest lineup of defensively minded centers the Mavs have ever had even if the 3rd and 4th stringers arent necessarily ready for starting minutes. Chandler can make a major defensive impact on the floor and its good that we have another starting-caliber player to keep him from being worn down.

Chandler 7'1"- defensive guy that was averaging 9-9 just a season ago and a starting-caliber player when not injured/worn
Ajinca 7'1"- a guy that put up 15-8 and 3 bpg in the d-league last year
Haywood 7'0"- solid double-double guy given the minutes
Mahinmi 6'11"- third year center with a decent all around skillset and strong on-the-ball defense

CadBane · 07-13-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=5377055

And after Harrington with the MLE!

I'm liking this!

Kidd/Roddy/JJB
Butler/JET/Dojo
Marion/DeShawn
Dirk/Harrington
Wood/Chandler/Aljinca/Mahinimi

NoSharington. as he is known, is one of the most selfish players in basketball. I wouldn't get too excited. That said, since our bench is inept at scoring, I'd take his instant offense.

greensborohill · 07-13-2010, 02:35 PM

Trade doesn't match up. Another piece needs to come from the Bobcats.

Windmill360 · 07-13-2010, 02:36 PM

Sources say Mavs now trying to sign Al Harrington w/mid-level exception. Harrington, not Shaquille O'Neal, is their No. 1 MLE target = Stein

rabbitproof · 07-13-2010, 02:37 PM

I'm assuming we get the Hornets-version of Chandler.... shot blocking, rebounding, alley oops.

SMC0007 · 07-13-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Nice move. Its no CP3 but who knows if someone of that caliber was even available.

Haywood/Chandler/Mahinmi/Ajinca now? Thats the biggest lineup of defensively minded centers the Mavs have ever had even if the 3rd and 4th stringers arent necessarily ready

Chandler 7'1"
Ajinca 7'1"
Haywood 7'0"
Mahinmi 6'11"

I wouldn't say Mahinmi is a defensive minded center, at least not yet.

41mvp · 07-13-2010, 02:37 PM

Dallas is now city CENTERS

Windmill360 · 07-13-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I'm assuming we get the Hornets-version of Chandler.... shot blocking, rebounding, alley oops.

pshhh who knows... hasn't he been injured for like 18 months or something?

jthig32 · 07-13-2010, 02:40 PM

Not really sure how Harrington fits, but he's a good player for the MLE.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2010, 02:41 PM

This plus Harrington would be decent at least. Both fill needs. We all knew we weren't getting a star, so at least they doing something productive.

tcat075 · 07-13-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Clearly some of you have not watched Chandler play lately. He is, in no way, shape, or form, a better basketball player than Dampier. In addition to constantly being hurt, (Bobcats fans nicknamed him PussyFoot), he couldn't even get pt over Theo "50 years old" Ratliff and Nazr Muhammad. Chandler is not a good center anymore.

Well, he probably was terrible last year because he was hurt.

If we're lucky and Chandler stays healthy, then he could be a very good backup center. We aren't looking for the guy to be a starter or get a double double every time, just come in relief of Haywood and give some solid minutes, defend and rebound, and maybe occasionally dunk or catch an alley oop or whatever.

If he can't do that, and even if he's always hurt, then that sucks, but he's only a backup center and typically, teams can survive a disappointing or injury plauged season from their backup center.

FINtastic · 07-13-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Not really sure how Harrington fits, but he's a good player for the MLE.

He's a complete knucklehead though. I'm not going to enjoy having him on our roster if he does sign on.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Not really sure how Harrington fits, but he's a good player for the MLE.

I was guessing the back-up 4/5 they keep mentioning...but more 4.

MLE would be a good price.

chumdawg · 07-13-2010, 02:43 PM

Was the remainder of Eddie's contract non-guaranteed? If so, maybe they will waive him and he will return here!

dirno2000 · 07-13-2010, 02:43 PM

A couple factors that were out of our control converged this summer to really devalue the Damp contract.

First the cap came way over Stern’s doom and gloom prediction from last summer. Can’t remember off the top of my head but I’m thinking some estimates were as low as $52M. If that were the case there would be a lot more teams looking to shed salary by dumping good players. The higher cap and luxury tax numbers really hurt us.

Then all these teams saving up for the summer of Lebron created huge cap exceptions and suddenly we’re not the only team offering instant cap relief.

Really just more bad luck for the Mavs. I don’t hate the move. Chandler has apparently been working hard and is looking to have a bounce back contract year and Ajinca is young and athletic. Plus we managed to rid ourselves of the last remnant of the Diop MLE debacle. Just have to continue to hope that we can flip our remaining assets for a difference maker.

tcat075 · 07-13-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Not really sure how Harrington fits, but he's a good player for the MLE.

Backup 4, I think is the plan. He'll probably get some backup 3 as well.