Jimmer Fredette BYU

[mavs777]

Kid is ridiculous, by far the best shooter in college, has 32 in first half so far on 10-15 shooting, 5-6 from 3,7-7 from line. He isn't quick which is why he won't go in lotto but he has a great crossover and has a extremely quick release, his defense is bad, but he could be instant offense off the bench.

[tcat075]

Finished with 47 points, 16-28 from the field and 6-9 from deep. Shot 9-9 from the stripe, too, for those wondering.

I like him as a college player. Seen him play a couple of times, and definitely will be watching a few BYU games as March Madness rolls around (and possibly before) because of him. However, he's not a true point guard (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an expert about college)...he's really a 6'2" shooting guard who does play a little point, but only because he's 6'2". He's a tweener. Those rarely work well, especially if they're only decently athletic, no matter how good they can score.

If he can play or learn point, then he's an interesting pick. If not, he's just a shooter/scorer off the bench who doesn't have a position, and in the mid-20's, that's too low a ceiling.

[mavs777]

You are correct in that he would be a tweener at next level which is why he won't go till last first probably, he isn't a fit here probably unless you want to use him like Jet, I think he can play some point but not exclusively more like 10 minutes a game, and then at the 2 in other 15, he needs a big PG to play with so they can cross match defensivley, but with his jump shot and crossover he will definitely get his shot. Means nothing but I just noticed nbadraft.net has us picking him in the mock

[mavs777]

btw im an aztec fan

[nikeball]

Adam Morrison.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by nikeball

Adam Morrison.

Not even close, this guy can shoot it like no other

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by nikeball

Adam Morrison.

Oh, I see what you did there. Since they're both white!

Jimmer & Ammo are absolutely nothing alike.

Jimmer is a 2 in a 1s body. Ammo is a 2 in a 3s body.

Ammo didn't have the handles Jimmer has. He didn't have the ability to get to the rim like Jimmer (Jimmer has one of the best crossovers in college ball) and he wasn't the three-point shooter Jimmer is. Jimmer is also a solid passer.

The problem with Jimmer is that he's a tweener, a little bit like an uber Juan Dixon. Still, he can flat out score the ball, so he'll make a career in the NBA. He isn't expected to be a lottery pick like Ammo, so there is no bust scenario anyway.

[spreedom]

Jimmer reminds me a lot of Jodie Meeks (who I really like as an NBA role player, BTW). He can shoot with seemingly unlimited range, from any angle, but he's undersized for his position (SG in a PG's body) and has question marks stemming from that related to his defensive play.

That said, if we were on the clock late in the second round and he was available, I would absolutely give him a shot. Especially if we make a trade for Devin and are in need of a 5th guard. I think he could be molded into an off-the-ball PG.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Jimmer reminds me a lot of Jodie Meeks (who I really like as an NBA role player, BTW). He can shoot with seemingly unlimited range, from any angle, but he's undersized for his position (SG in a PG's body) and has question marks stemming from that related to his defensive play.

That said, if we were on the clock late in the second round and he was available, I would absolutely give him a shot. Especially if we make a trade for Devin and are in need of a 5th guard. I think he could be molded into an off-the-ball PG.

He's probably not going to be a late 2nd round pick.

[CadBane]

Yeah, you take him late 2nd no question. He'll probably go late first, early 2nd at worst though. I disagree with the Jodie Meeks comparison, just because Meeks doesn't attack the rim like Jimmer. I still think an Uber Juan Dixon is a better comparison. 2 in a 1 body, decent passer, mediocre defender, but can absolutely fill it up.

[fluid.forty.one]

The kid seemed really nice on the Scott Van Pelt show too... didn't seem to be letting the hype go to his head.

[mavs777]

Still don't understand how you can name your kid Jimmer

[nashtymavsfan13]

I haven't gotten the chance to see him play yet, so really all I know about him is what I've gotten out of this thread, but he sounds like a really exciting player. How does his ceiling compare to what JJ Reddick is giving the Magic this year?

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

I haven't gotten the chance to see him play yet, so really all I know about him is what I've gotten out of this thread, but he sounds like a really exciting player. How does his ceiling compare to what JJ Reddick is giving the Magic this year?

I don't think he will become the overall player that J.J has become but he could very well be a better scorer, I think he is a better shooter than J.J.

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Still don't understand how you can name your kid Jimmer

His name is James, Jimmer is a nickname.

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Not even close, this guy can shoot it like no other

Morrison was a 50% shooter, 35% from 3 for his career. His last year at Gonzaga, he shot just under 43% from 3. Jimmer shot 44% from 3 last year, ~41% so far this year. And his max FG % for a season is ~48%.

In a 3-point contest, i'd still probably take jimmer, but it's not "not even close" when it comes to shooting. Just because morrison didn't pan out in the pros doesn't mean he wasn't a great college player. I watched Morrison play a lot. He was deadly from mid-range, hit the three at a great rate his senior year, and could get to the rim (being taller than jimmer does help with that, admittedly).

Morrison crumbled under the expectations of being a lottery pick, plus the weight of his mustache. As cad said, jimmer won't have those same expectations.

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by mavs777

I don't think he will become the overall player that J.J has become but he could very well be a better scorer, I think he is a better shooter than J.J.

JJ AVERAGED 280 3-point attempts per season and still shot 40% from 3 for his career (330 attempts and 42% from 3 his senior year). He also shot 43% from the field in general for his career.

Jimmer's max attempts is 175 last year. He'll pass it this year, and probably get close to 280, but that's nowhere close to the 3-point consistency Redick put up year after year.

you guys and your revisionist memories. What have you done for me lately.

[Big Boy Laroux]

ha, i said "you guys", but it should really just be "you guy". Didn't realize i was quoting mavs777 every time. So, mavs777, the lesson is: you are wrong.

[mavs777]

Its a bit different shooting a 3 off the dribble (which Jimmer does a ton of) and catching and shooting like Reddick

[Big Boy Laroux]

really, that's your argument? a 3 is a 3. JJ was hardly just a wide open jump shooter in his career. Having Shelden Williams helped, but all 330 attempts his senior year were not all catch and shoot. Off the dribble, from well behind nba range, you name it.

[CadBane]

Yeah, JJ is a better shooter than Jimmer. But Jimmer is a better scorer.

However, JJ is the better overall player as he become a solid defender and very underrated passer.

Jimmer should look at JJ's progression as a nice template (except perhaps with more emphasis on scoring).

[mavs777]

11-24 FG, 4-9 from 3, 16-17 FT

He is now shooting exactly 90% from the free throw line this year

[mavs777]

Charles Jenkins starting to get a lot of hype, I actually think he will be a similar player to Jet at the next level he is only a bit slower

[CadBane]

Speaking of talented white tweener guards, boy is Ben Hansbrough one tough SOB. He completely took over tonight and singlehandedly beat Pittsburgh at Pitt down the stretch. I like his game a lot.

He's a gritty, tough defender who can shoot, penetrate, pass, and he has a ton of swag. He's putting up 16/4/4 on 45/43/85 shooting.

He reminds me a lot of a confident Kirk Hinrich. Like Kirk, he can shoot the three, penetrate, and pass. They also both can play the 1 and 2. He's also a great defender at the 2. He's not quite the passer Kirk is, nor the defender (prime Kirk was one of the best defensive 2s in the game). However, unlike Kirk, he is immensely clutch and has a lot of confidence. I think he'd be a nice steal in the 2nd round.

[mavs777]

I think Hansborough can be a pretty good 10 MPG player down the road, but I think Hinricks handles are 10 times better than Hansborough's

[CadBane]

43 tonight for Jimmer as he singlhandedly tore up previously undefeated #4 seed San Diego State. Third 40 point game in his last 5. Beast.

[mavs777]

ugh

im an aztec fan

[LonghornDub]

This Jammer Freddie guy is pretty good, huh?

[mavs777]

I am starting to think someone may take a chance on him in the late lottery, I think he would be a good fit for Detroit, cause Stuckey is tall enough to play 2 guard defensivley, but they may want to get another big

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by mavs777

I am starting to think someone may take a chance on him in the late lottery, I think he would be a good fit for Detroit, cause Stuckey is tall enough to play 2 guard defensivley, but they may want to get another big

I doubt he makes the lottery, but I could see early 20s.

[mavs777]

Leonard will probably be in that 10-15 range

[Bayliss]

Morrosn's game also suffered because of diabetes. It may be okay in high school and college when you play 30-40 games. But in the NBA against the best in the world... you are playing 80+. His body suffered somewhat.

And yeah he had the traditional issues too: tweener/slow/etc.

[mavs777]

ugly moustache...

[mavs777]

NBADraft.Net a site I respect has Jimmer going 13th to Phoenix and my boy Kawhi going 8th to Indiana

[DMOC]

He scored 52 points last night...

[Budapest Maverick]

He's definitely a lock in the lottery now, there is some speculation already some team would choose him at 8, 9, 10, no way he makes past 15.

[tcat075]

What I didn't realize is that Fredette is a legitimate point guard. He's not just a combo guard getting a lot of touches on a bad team, but he knows how to facilitate and pass the ball. He'll never lead the NBA in assists, but he'll be a passable point guard in the NBA, not a combo guard tweener.

Another thing is the defensive pressure he receives in games...he is BYU, basically, and defenses play him like that. He shoots 40% from three and gets maybe one truly open look every two games...everything else is pull ups, step backs, moving right or left cross a screen, most of them long and/or contested. And he makes them anyway. When he gets to the NBA, he's going to have more open looks than he knows what to do with.

And he will be able to create his own shot, I think. He'll be a perimeter player, but he'll get to the hoop at times similar to how JJB does, just by being crafty and sneaky. He'll be able to get stepback jumpers that he can knock down. You'd think he might struggle against the longer, athletic players who might be put on him, but that describes Kawhi Leonard, and Fredette took him to school a couple times during their game last night (even though BYU ultimately lost badly).

edit: Seriously, just look at the shots he's knocking down here.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by tcat075

What I didn't realize is that Fredette is a legitimate point guard. He's not just a combo guard getting a lot of touches on a bad team, but he knows how to facilitate and pass the ball. He'll never lead the NBA in assists, but he'll be a passable point guard in the NBA, not a combo guard tweener.

Another thing is the defensive pressure he receives in games...he is BYU, basically, and defenses play him like that. He shoots 40% from three and gets maybe one truly open look every two games...everything else is pull ups, step backs, moving right or left cross a screen, most of them long and/or contested. And he makes them anyway. When he gets to the NBA, he's going to have more open looks than he knows what to do with.

And he will be able to create his own shot, I think. He'll be a perimeter player, but he'll get to the hoop at times similar to how JJB does, just by being crafty and sneaky. He'll be able to get stepback jumpers that he can knock down. You'd think he might struggle against the longer, athletic players who might be put on him, but that describes Kawhi Leonard, and Fredette took him to school a couple times during their game last night (even though BYU ultimately lost badly).

edit: Seriously, just look at the shots he's knocking down here.

Agree with all of this except the first part. Jimmer is definitely a tweener, he's not a true PG. I love the kid, but he's averaging like 4 assists and 3.5 turnovers. Granted he has little to work with, but he's not a passable NBA PG.

[mavs777]

And he will be able to create his own shot, I think. He'll be a perimeter player, but he'll get to the hoop at times similar to how JJB does, just by being crafty and sneaky. He'll be able to get stepback jumpers that he can knock down. You'd think he might struggle against the longer, athletic players who might be put on him, but that describes Kawhi Leonard, and Fredette took him to school a couple times during their game last night (even though BYU ultimately lost badly).


Billy White pretty much locked Jimmer down, Jimmer did most of his damage off of broken plays like offensive rebounds and on D.J Gay

Billy is extremely long and 6-7 and cause him some problems.

[ceelowdream]

I like this kid too...strong player, great shooter.