Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread

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If portland and Dame split, what does it take to get Grant? Certainly if Dame goes, he won't stay.

If Dame stays, and Blazers stay at 5 and Mavs at 10, what does ot take to swap picks?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Nets let Igor go. Bring him back.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Nets let Igor go. Bring him back.

As HC or go get Laso. Fk J Kidd. Get someone who will have Luka's ear and maybe even get onto him.

[tap2390]

Need to look hard at Paul Reed this off-season. He might be priced out of Philly with his playoff play.

[Dallas41]

Man the nuggets have played the best defense I've ever seen out them

Gordon, KCP and Brown have been fantastic on that end if floor. Gordon can practically switch 1 through 5

Which makes me wonder about long guys similar to him in J.Grant or J.Issac

I'd kill to get one of those tall long switchable defenders on this roster

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Man the nuggets have played the best defense I've ever seen out them

Gordon, KCP and Brown have been fantastic on that end if floor. Gordon can practically switch 1 through 5

Which makes me wonder about long guys similar to him in J.Grant or J.Issac

I'd kill to get one of those tall long switchable defenders on this roster

Wasn't Gordon somebody many thought we should target 2 off seasons ago? He has the type of physicality the Mavs desperately need.

[tap2390]

Some more draft thoughts:

-Kobe Bufkin, Brice Sensabaugh, Keyonte George.... all of these dudes can ball.

-There isn't a huge difference between having the 5th pick in this draft and having the 15th pick.

-Wemby is a freak. Scoot and Amen are next level athletes. Miller has an advanced, translatable game. After that it's all up in the air.

[sig]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Some more draft thoughts:

-Kobe Bufkin, Brice Sensabaugh, Keyonte George.... all of these dudes can ball.

-There isn't a huge difference between having the 5th pick in this draft and having the 15th pick.

-Wemby is a freak. Scoot and Amen are next level athletes. Miller has an advanced, translatable game. After that it's all up in the air.

Well if the Mavs are looking at forwards lke Whitmore, Walker, Hendricks there may be a big difference. I really hope Dame and portland split. A SnT of Wood for Grant and swapping 10 for 23 seems about right. Especially if TJD is on the board at 23. Blazers add 2 top 10 picks to Sharpe and simon is a good start on rebuild.

Hardy was rated higher than scoot in some rankings coming out of HS. Whether he is or not who knows but probably not. anyway, The Mavs seemed to get lucky in landing Hardy. Are any G-League Elite guys undervalued. L. Miller seems raw but if he is in the 20's or later..... 6'11" wing makes me feel like he might be soft but landed 10-11 rebounds for Elite.

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/...draft-scouting

[EricaLubarsky]

Dont know why but in the redrafts, Jarace is falling. I've seen him anywhere from 7-15 in the last week.

Love me some Hendricks, although he seems like a less-defensive Jaren Jackson

Jarace is the perfect Bam/Paul Reed/Kevon Looney type

I get why that kind of guy may not be a top pick-- Looney was 30th, Bam was 14th, Reed was 58th. But a dude that can set mean picks, roll for oops, defend 3/4/5, and not make a ton of mistakes in terms of team defense?

In 2022-2023 the difference between 30th and even just 25th in rebounding would have been 6 games and a 6 seed instead of missing the playoffs.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Dont know why but in the redrafts, Jarace is falling. I've seen him anywhere from 7-15 in the last week.

Love me some Hendricks, although he seems like a less-defensive Jaren Jackson

Jarace is the perfect Bam/Paul Reed/Kevon Looney type

I get why that kind of guy may not be a top pick-- Looney was 30th, Bam was 14th, Reed was 58th. But a dude that can set mean picks, roll for oops, defend 3/4/5, and not make a ton of mistakes in terms of team defense?

In 2022-2023 the difference between 30th and even just 25th in rebounding would have been 6 games and a 6 seed instead of missing the playoffs.

Luka
Kyrie
Green
Jerami Grant
Trayce Jackson-Davis

would be a thing of beauty

[rimrocker]

I still wouldnt mind seeing us trade back with Nets.
#10 for #21/#22/#51

Take Murray/Lively/BPA

Young team to build around
Luka/Hardy/Green/Murray/Lively

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I still wouldnt mind seeing us trade back with Nets.
#10 for #21/#22/#51

Take Murray/Lively/BPA

Young team to build around
Luka/Hardy/Green/Murray/Lively

I would be with you, but

A) If we lose the pick, then this is all meaningless. It's morbid, but we're also more likely to lose the pick (20.2%) than move up to top four (13.9%)

B) If we end up #1, you take and keep Wemby. No question

C) If we end up 2/3 I think you trade back a bit. Maybe trade 2nd pick for 9 and 16 (Utah)

D) If we end up #4 I would keep it. The entire board is available and there are some killer players in that 4-9 range.

E) If we end up #10 and Walker/Hendricks is on the board I would keep the pick and take them. I get the idea that Walker will be there at 10 and he would be an absolute steal at 10 and would address half of our offseason issues.

F) If we are #10 and there is no Walker/Hendricks. There are a ton of solid two-way guys all the way down to #45. We potentially have two stars. We just have no quality workhorse guys. I would 10 for 21/22 with the Nets or 12/37 with the Thunder.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I still wouldnt mind seeing us trade back with Nets.
#10 for #21/#22/#51

Take Murray/Lively/BPA

Young team to build around
Luka/Hardy/Green/Murray/Lively

not sure why any team would do that, thats more nfl. maybe if it was the number 1 or 2 pick, but not for the 10th pick

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

not sure why any team would do that, thats more nfl. maybe if it was the number 1 or 2 pick, but not for the 10th pick

You're probably right but I really do like Lively for us because he is exactly what we need at center.
The concern with him is he could either be the next Tyson Chandler/Rudy Gobert, or the next Moses Brown/Willie Cauley-Stein.

But damn, 7'1 with 7'8 WS and pretty athletic and able to switch out on smaller guards is something I'd love to see anchor our D. Won't get much, if any offense from him though other than put backs and lobs.

[sig]

NBA draft net (not my favorite draft site) has Mavs taking PF GG Jackson from South Car. t 10 over Walker and whitmore. they put Hendricks at 4. Jackson may have the talent and phyicals tools but seems to have a lot higher bust factor.

After Mavs traded for KI, Nets added Johnson and Bridges from suns. Would a deal of 10 for 21 be acceptable if the Nets sent DFS back for Bullock and McGee or some other salary match? IMO, there will be polished college players on the board in the 20's or a young raw center.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by sig

NBA draft net (not my favorite draft site) has Mavs taking PF GG Jackson from South Car. t 10 over Walker and whitmore. they put Hendricks at 4. Jackson may have the talent and phyicals tools but seems to have a lot higher bust factor.

After Mavs traded for KI, Nets added Johnson and Bridges from suns. Would a deal of 10 for 21 be acceptable if the Nets sent DFS back for Bullock and McGee or some other salary match? IMO, there will be polished college players on the board in the 20's or a young raw center.

I could 100% see the Mavs doing this and taking Bona, Nnaji, Jackson-Davis, etc.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by sig

NBA draft net (not my favorite draft site) has Mavs taking PF GG Jackson from South Car. t 10 over Walker and whitmore. they put Hendricks at 4. Jackson may have the talent and phyicals tools but seems to have a lot higher bust factor.

After Mavs traded for KI, Nets added Johnson and Bridges from suns. Would a deal of 10 for 21 be acceptable if the Nets sent DFS back for Bullock and McGee or some other salary match? IMO, there will be polished college players on the board in the 20's or a young raw center.

I don't see the high bust factor unless you're expecting him to turn out to be KD offensively. IF GG name has been floated out there, it's probably an effort at a smoke screen. They can't risk that pick on potential huge offensive upside. No way at #10, with our roster.

What we need is a sure thing if we are keeping the pick/player. Jarace Walker could start day 1 and you know what you're gonna get. It's not flashy but he's exactly the type of player we need. Great defender, especially help defender and good rebounder. We really need the help defender too, our perimeter is often getting their asses blown apart. Hendrix has more potential for sure but it's not a sure thing it gets DfnP off the floor. Not big enough to carve out the space and be the fn brute that we need.

I'd be happy with either one of those 2, and a cpl others. We just don't have the flexibility to piece together the key components we need in order to just draft BPA, unless we explore SnT Kyrie.

I still don't see them investing in the future any further than getting Luka help NOW.

Fwiw, I have very very little interest in DFS.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I still wouldnt mind seeing us trade back with Nets.
#10 for #21/#22/#51

Take Murray/Lively/BPA

Young team to build around
Luka/Hardy/Green/Murray/Lively

Yes because look at how #18/#31/#36 changed the trajectory of our team in 2020 Draft. Yes let's do that again...

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Yes because look at how #18/#31/#36 changed the trajectory of our team in 2020 Draft. Yes let's do that again...

After Dick and Hendricks come off the board, there isn't a lot of star potential left in this draft. Both of them most likely won't be there at 10 if that is our pick. If one of them are there we have to take them.

Bust potential will be there from 10-30 so I'd rather have two shots at getting a player that will stick than 1.

And using your reasoning, we shouldn't pick at 9 or 10 because that worked out so well for us in 2017.

The point is moot because they will be trading that pick unless it is #1 and I'm not even sure they'd pick Wemby at this point.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

After Dick and Hendricks come off the board, there isn't a lot of star potential left in this draft. Both of them most likely won't be there at 10 if that is our pick. If one of them are there we have to take them.

Bust potential will be there from 10-30 so I'd rather have two shots at getting a player that will stick than 1.

And using your reasoning, we shouldn't pick at 9 or 10 because that worked out so well for us in 2017.

The point is moot because they will be trading that pick unless it is #1 and I'm not even sure they'd pick Wemby at this point.

I think they are more likely to trade if they are 3rd or 4th pick than 10 because that would carry so much more trade value.

[tap2390]

Random thoughts:

1) I had a dream the Mavs picked 4th

2) None of us can say with ANY degree of certainty that _______ player will be a star or will be a bust.

For all we know, Hendricks is Christian Wood 2.0 with worse offense, and Dick is Duncan Robinson 2.0 with worse defense. (I don't believe this to be true, my point is just no one knows).

3) I really do trust Nico (and our new AGM) to evaluate and make the right decision... whether that's selecting a player or trading the pick. I don't think any of us can fault Nico for what he's done so far -- buying low on Wood, buying low on Kyrie, buying low on Hardy.

Obviously it would be nice to have Jaylin Williams on a rookie contract over our one year rental of Wood, but it was worth the swing.

4) I'm probably in the minority, but I'm optimistic about our future. If we have Luka, Kyrie, Green, Hardy, #10..... that's not a bad starting point to build something sustainable, especially when the league is wide open (in before Wemby becomes a Hakeem/ Dirk hybrid).

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If the Mavs get to 4, I more and more think they should take BPA over need. I'd probably go Amen Thompson. To me there is a top 4 before getting to the trio of forwards (Walker, Hendricks, whit). KI, Hardy, Green, Amen could really speed up the pace of the team. Luka can play in any system. He also provides a ball handler on the wing in the scenario the KI signing goes wrong.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Random thoughts:

1) I had a dream the Mavs picked 4th

2) None of us can say with ANY degree of certainty that _______ player will be a star or will be a bust.

For all we know, Hendricks is Christian Wood 2.0 with worse offense, and Dick is Duncan Robinson 2.0 with worse defense. (I don't believe this to be true, my point is just no one knows).

3) I really do trust Nico (and our new AGM) to evaluate and make the right decision... whether that's selecting a player or trading the pick. I don't think any of us can fault Nico for what he's done so far -- buying low on Wood, buying low on Kyrie, buying low on Hardy.

Obviously it would be nice to have Jaylin Williams on a rookie contract over our one year rental of Wood, but it was worth the swing.

4) I'm probably in the minority, but I'm optimistic about our future. If we have Luka, Kyrie, Green, Hardy, #10..... that's not a bad starting point to build something sustainable, especially when the league is wide open (in before Wemby becomes a Hakeem/ Dirk hybrid).

Nobody is saying there is a guarantee with any pick.
I'm just saying Dick and Hendricks appear to have star potential and probably some others as well, but most will be gone when we will most likely pick if that pick is 10.

Everything is speculation at this point including your dream which I hope comes true

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Hope Luka is watching this game. Curry gets knocked on his ass from an obvious offensive no call foul. He gets up, shakes it off, and moves on.

[washedklean77]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Hope Luka is watching this game. Curry gets knocked on his ass from an obvious offensive no call foul. He gets up, shakes it off, and moves on.

I hope Luka's watching Brunson as Brunson just plays his ass off and keeps his mouth shut. So refreshing to see in today's NBA.

[tap2390]

Unfortunately, it seems that Walker, Hendricks, and Wemby will all be gone by #10. This leaves the Mavs picking from a guard-heavy board.

Dereck Lively really reminds me of Tyson Chandler 2.0.... problem is like Chandler I think he's going to need 2-3 years to really start contributing. I'm not opposed to developing a big, but we really need a 100% competent starter.

In my opinion, you absolutely can not take Lively at #10.

Predictions

1) I think the Mavs will try hard to trade the pick for a vet, but ultimately there are quite a few guys in the third tier, and Mavs won't get the value they're looking for.

2) Mavs will try to trade down, if unsuccessful, they will select either Anthony Black or Jordan Hawkins.

3) TJD, Jordan Hawkins, Kris Murray, Leonard Miller, and Kobe Bufkin go higher than expected.

4) Lively, Keyonte George, Nick Smith Jr., and Jett Howard go lower than expected.



Final thought: I would love to trade back and take TJD. To me he's a rich man's Onyeka Okongwu. Again, wouldn't blow my mind if we took him at 10.

[tap2390]

One more random thought:

TJD reminds me a LOT of Sengun.

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I hope Luka is not watching any basketball at all now and getting a mental break from the 2-3 year non stop grind and getting past his off court issues (no pun intended). This year was tough on him becaause I think DFS was his best friend and he was close to Brunson and Bobi also who left the team. Maybe Igor too? Probably first time basketball felt like a business not a game for him.

If he is watching anyone else on another team, I hope it is Jimmy Butler.

[Dallas41]

Luka needs to watch jokic

Dude initiates the offense but he doesn't pound the Rock 15-20 seconds when he gets it.

He mixes his game up inside/out perfectly keeping the defense off balance and guessing

He does a wonderful job passing out of the post or mid post

I've said this a few times the way Denver utilizes him is the same way Dallas needs to utilize Luka. There's no reason why the Luka and kyrie tandem can't share the ball like jokic and Murray but it's up to Luka tp be willing to posy up and play a little more off ball.

Add someone like Jerami Grant to play that Arron Gordon role

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Here comes the Mavs media with the Ayton build up before it inevitably happens....

Chuck Cooperstein
@coopmavs
I've always been a DeAndre Ayton fan, even as I acknowledge his motor should run hotter than it does. He has still been a big part of PHX success the last 3 yrs. But unlike other talented bigs who've had multiple chances to reinvent themselves. Ayton hasn't had that chance yet.

[tap2390]

THJ and Bertans for Ayton?. Take it or leave it. No picks.

[saclare]

I don't get the Ayton love from these rando Mavs fan accounts on Twitter. He's absolutely not the answer for this Mavs team and would put us in an even worse roster building situation with his contract. Regular season stud, playoff dud.

[saclare]

Whitmore isn't even 19 yet. Give me the best defensive wing/guard available. Sneaky feeling that Cason Wallace is going to be a top notch pest for guards at the next level. Could certainly use that on this team, but we would still need to address wing defense and rebounding.

[tap2390]

Love love love Jordan Hawkins game and think he?s a great fit with Luka. I think he?s going to effortlessly translate to the league. Problem is he isn?t the elite defender/rebounder we?re looking for, but I would lean towards drafting him at #10 over Gradey Dick, Cason, etc. and then consider moving Hardy for a big.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Love love love Jordan Hawkins game and think he?s a great fit with Luka. I think he?s going to effortlessly translate to the league. Problem is he isn?t the elite defender/rebounder we?re looking for, but I would lean towards drafting him at #10 over Gradey Dick, Cason, etc. and then consider moving Hardy for a big.

I disagree with Cason. I think he has the chance to be an elite pest at the 1 and 2 positions. That goes a long way in this league, though wing defense and depth trump those aspects.

Think of Cason as a Jrue Holiday type to lock down the Booker, Butler, SGA, etc. types. That plays super well with this roster when your guards are Luka and Kyrie, assuming we get the deal done.

[Zeus]

If only the Mavs would have had an opportunity in the offseason last off-season to lockdown a young FA like Jarred Vanderbilt for less than Jared McGee signed for. I sure hope that ping pong ball bounces in Mavs favor next Tuesday.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Zeus

If only the Mavs would have had an opportunity in the offseason last off-season to lockdown a young FA like Jarred Vanderbilt for less than Jared McGee signed for. I sure hope that ping pong ball bounces in Mavs favor next Tuesday.

He was a RFA in 2021.... I'm all for sh*tting on our FO but this is a stretch.

[sig]

Originally Posted by tap2390

He was a RFA in 2021.... I'm all for sh*tting on our FO but this is a stretch.

The deal the Mavs gave to McGee was more than the Pacers could of offered Jalen smith and he could of started especially after the trade for KI that sent DFS away. He is a good young player who is still improving. Maybe Kidd would of found reasons to not like him aka Wood. Who knows.

The Warriors are having some chemistry issues with Poole and Kuminga. I like Kuminga as much any of the players the Mavs can grab at 10 and he can play some serious D.

[tap2390]

I'm all for taking fliers on young guys who have shown flashes but haven't put it together... and yes even 1% improvements add up over time... but I think it's a stretch to say that JV or JS would have moved the needle for us.

If you add it ALL up -- losing Brunson, Green over Bane/ Maxey, signing washed up vets instead of high upside young guys -- I 100% agree the FO's lack of competence since drafting Luka has been killer.

[sig]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Nobody is saying there is a guarantee with any pick.
I'm just saying Dick and Hendricks appear to have star potential and probably some others as well, but most will be gone when we will most likely pick if that pick is 10.

Everything is speculation at this point including your dream which I hope comes true

There is always somehat of a shakeup after the draft camps. So let's see who goes up and who who drops.

I like Hood Schifino as much as those 2. He really stabilized the PG spot for Indiana as a Frosh and already has NBA strength. IMO, he is a Deron williams clone with 6'9" wingspan.