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Zeus · 04-14-2023, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

There's really no reason to believe the Mavs can right the ship, but like my dad going out for beer, I still hope he eventually comes back home.

We're going to find out what Luka is about this offseason. Because everyone in the media is coming down hard on him. I think he will grind.

The problem is he can grind and still not go anywhere if organizational ineptitude and bad luck prevails... Jordan couldn't win big until they put the right pieces around him and he was arguably playing on both ends of the court in his first 5 years.

EricaLubarsky · 04-14-2023, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'm sayin.

Luka on the block with Kyrie ball handling should be late game option #1. The Kyrie on the corner and Luka ball handling up top is a bad scheme.

This.

4th quarter stats
Kyrie - 1st in league in 4th quarter points, 1st on the team in FG% (after guys like Powell who just do oops), 53% from the field and 40% from three
Luka - 46% and 33% from three, 8th on the team in efficiency

The ball should absolutely be in Kyrie's hands

post scoring
Luka - 45th in eFG% when posting. 55% eFG when posting (was 69% before Luka got so rundown)

Zeus · 04-14-2023, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

This.

4th quarter stats
Kyrie - 1st in league in 4th quarter points, 1st on the team in FG% (after guys like Powell who just do oops), 53% from the field and 40% from three
Luka - 46% and 33% from three, 8th on the team in efficiency

The ball should absolutely be in Kyrie's hands

post scoring
Luka - 45th in eFG% when posting. 55% eFG when posting (was 69% before Luka got so rundown)

I think these are all skewed by the fact that Luka both got worn down and somehow simultaneously fat. Go back and watch Bubble Luka. It is a startling contrast

tap2390 · 04-14-2023, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

The problem is he can grind and still not go anywhere if organizational ineptitude and bad luck prevails... Jordan couldn't win big until they put the right pieces around him and he was arguably playing on both ends of the court in his first 5 years.

IMO Kyrie is 50% of the battle. The other 50 is defense/ rebounding.

Dallas41 · 04-14-2023, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

This.

4th quarter stats
Kyrie - 1st in league in 4th quarter points, 1st on the team in FG% (after guys like Powell who just do oops), 53% from the field and 40% from three
Luka - 46% and 33% from three, 8th on the team in efficiency

The ball should absolutely be in Kyrie's hands

post scoring
Luka - 45th in eFG% when posting. 55% eFG when posting (was 69% before Luka got so rundown)

You left out Decision making

Kyrie seems more willing to move the ball late in games and also attack the rim.

Luka tends to allow the ball to stick which often ends up leading to him taking poor shots to close out qtrs or games.

Hopefully as SMC pointed out they reevaluate the situation next season and put the ball in Kyrie's hands more and let him run the late game offense

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-14-2023, 06:52 PM

Everything about Luka's flaws always comes back to conditioning. When you get tired faster, then you make poor decisions/don't play d/complain to the refs/etc.

Doesn't help that we have a coach that as far as I can tell this season doesn't know what a scheme even is.

You can still have Luka bring the ball up the court, and they can switch. But we don't have a "system" that loves simplicity.

SMC0007 · 04-14-2023, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

I think these are all skewed by the fact that Luka both got worn down and somehow simultaneously fat. Go back and watch Bubble Luka. It is a startling contrast

Even prime fitness Luka needs to on the block. It's a massive weapon. He is big AF, can see over guys, can pass out of dbls, has great footwork and can score at will vs single defender. Its incredibly hard to defend. It also takes the hero 3 off the table more often. Kyrie still remains a 3pt threat in that set. They're still spaced well for either Luka to work or Kyrie to iso if they sag or dbl. It's literally the easiest and most simple and effective set we could run.

SMC0007 · 04-14-2023, 11:31 PM

Call me crazy but Gobert is playing some exciting basketball. Suuuuuree does make a lot of munies

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-14-2023, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Call me crazy but Gobert is playing some exciting basketball. Suuuuuree does make a lot of munies

Without the contracts, of course I'd take Gobert or Ayton. But if we got one of those, then we're just back in the KP saddle again. 30+ mil a year for a good but not great big man just isn't the way to go.

SMC0007 · 04-15-2023, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Without the contracts, of course I'd take Gobert or Ayton. But if we got one of those, then we're just back in the KP saddle again. 30+ mil a year for a good but not great big man just isn't the way to go.

You're right, it's not.

Dallas41 · 04-15-2023, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

McMahon and Marks were reporting from sources multiple times the Mavs org viewed Brunson at FVV money 5/105, this was before and after Brunson signed with New York. McMahon even brought it up again last week on the hoop collective.

https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/st...P-fUxROA9UvgJA

Now I know you?re going to disregard this because Mavs didn?t ?publicly state?, we that?s not something teams do when in negotiations. It comes out through sources just like the Wood fiasco.

I?m glad he?s in New York doing well away from this clown car front office. But he could?ve been resigned if Cuban ?we can pay more than any team? wanted to match the Knicks number.

I'm be honest I thought the best level of play out of JB would be the level we saw of him in the playoffs last year.

But this dude has legitimately turned himself into a all star player

It's kind of comical to because the mavs spent years wanting another legit all star to play with Luka and who would have thought all that time JB would turn into that guy.

The thing that really impresses me about JB is the dude very rarely takes bad shots. He always seems to have control of the game and he's a surprisingly good team leader.

But then again the dude was a terrific leader at Villanova so I guess that shouldn't be surprising that he became that in the NBA.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-15-2023, 07:34 PM

Good lord, why are we still talking about Brunson? It's a year later folks. Let it go. He was a FA and rightfully chose a better situation. Move on already.

SMC0007 · 04-15-2023, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Good lord, why are we still talking about Brunson? It's a year later folks. Let it go. He was a FA and rightfully chose a better situation. Move on already.

Yea. It's a beating.

tap2390 · 04-15-2023, 10:06 PM

How many kicks to the nuts can we take as Mavs fans. Every day I?m reminded what an incompetent pos Cuban is.

BigDog63 · 04-15-2023, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

How many kicks to the nuts can we take as Mavs fans.

Sadly, lots and lots of them.

SMC0007 · 04-16-2023, 12:15 PM

People line up at the AAC to take kicks to the nuts. Cuban cucks

Dallas41 · 04-16-2023, 12:43 PM

So sports illustrated is reporting that the mavs wanted to tank way back in March but Luka and kyrie shut that shit down

That would explain why kidd made some of the decisions he made this year.

Luka sitting out games guys like Bullock and THJ being asked to play PF in small lineups

Cuban has become that type of owner who literally doesn't have a clue as to what it takes for roster building

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-16-2023, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

So sports illustrated is reporting that the mavs wanted to tank way back in March but Luka and kyrie shut that shit down

That would explain why kidd made some of the decisions he made this year.

Luka sitting out games guys like Bullock and THJ being asked to play PF in small lineups

Cuban has become that type of owner who literally doesn't have a clue as to what it takes for roster building

They shoulda started tanking then. Cuban sucks at everything regarding basketball, but he was right about tanking. Team was going nowhere.

Melonhead · 04-16-2023, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Good lord, why are we still talking about Brunson? It's a year later folks. Let it go. He was a FA and rightfully chose a better situation. Move on already.

It?s never going to be let go. Mavs are dog shit and Knicks are good because of Brunson. Until Mavs are good again, it will continue to be brought up.

Dallas41 · 04-16-2023, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

They shoulda started tanking then. Cuban sucks at everything regarding basketball, but he was right about tanking. Team was going nowhere.

100%disagree

Had kidd played the correct lineup of Mcgee, wood, Green, Luka and kyrie as starters or closers this team would have been in the playoffs

The decisions he made to playing time even after the trade now makes even more sense that they deliberately trying to lose games which explains why he refused to use timeouts or call plays late in games. Instead just allowing Luka to repeatedly launch up bad step back 3's in every close game outcome

I see no reason why that lineup couldn't have competed with the likes of Denver, Memphis or Sacramento in a 1st round series

Hell even after watching the play in tournament games imo the mavs could have beaten any of those teams

Nothing we can do about it now but with west so wide-open I feel like they essentially waisted a year with Luka and kyrie do to poor FO decisions

Dallas41 · 04-16-2023, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

It?s never going to be let go. Mavs are dog shit and Knicks are good because of Brunson. Until Mavs are good again, it will continue to be brought up.

Yep I agree

As much as some fans want to move on which is what cuban wants

Cuban doesn't want fans to remind him of the bullshit fiasco he had with Brunson

I hope the local media constantly reminds Cuban of his fuck up the entire playoffs maybe that will finally get his attention that fans are getting fed up with his shit the way he runs the team

I said this a few times now that I actually believe the only reason he made the kyrie deal was because of the immense outside noise he was hearing about Luka not having any help

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-16-2023, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

100%disagree

Had kidd played the correct lineup of Mcgee, wood, Green, Luka and kyrie as starters or closers this team would have been in the playoffs

The decisions he made to playing time even after the trade now makes even more sense that they deliberately trying to lose games which explains why he refused to use timeouts or call plays late in games. Instead just allowing Luka to repeatedly launch up bad step back 3's in every close game outcome

I see no reason why that lineup couldn't have competed with the likes of Denver, Memphis or Sacramento in a 1st round series

Hell even after watching the play in tournament games imo the mavs could have beaten any of those teams

Nothing we can do about it now but with west so wide-open I feel like they essentially waisted a year with Luka and kyrie do to poor FO decisions

I'm head of the Kidd needs to be fired train, but if that doesn't happen, then you absolutely tank for a high draft pick.

And you still risk being Chicago where you make the play-in just to convey your pick.

The season ended with those Charlotte games.

Dallas41 · 04-16-2023, 05:40 PM

Lakers showed the blue print as to how you rebuild a team doing the season

Can't believe they ended up with 4 quality players all around the deadline

Vanderbilt, Beasley, RH and Russell

It's like the mavs were asleep at the wheel while some of those players became available

washedklean77 · 04-16-2023, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Lakers showed the blue print as to how you rebuild a team doing the season

Can't believe they ended up with 4 quality players all around the deadline

Vanderbilt, Beasley, RH and Russell

It's like the mavs were asleep at the wheel while some of those players became available

Yep. And Austin Reaves is flourishing this season as he may very well be one of my favorite players to watch these days. He hustles on both ends which is refreshing to see.

Also, Morant's style of play will keep him in danger for the entire duration of his career.

BPo001 · 04-16-2023, 09:53 PM

Lol Booker. Crying to the refs on every possession down the stretch. Westbrook with the defensive play of the game late.

tap2390 · 04-16-2023, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Lakers showed the blue print as to how you rebuild a team doing the season

Can't believe they ended up with 4 quality players all around the deadline

Vanderbilt, Beasley, RH and Russell

It's like the mavs were asleep at the wheel while some of those players became available

Mavs weren?t asleep, they just used their assets to get Kyrie. Whether they should?ve gone for incremental improvements is a worthwhile debate (albeit one that?s largely contingent on whether Kyrie stays or not imo).

Zeus · 04-17-2023, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Mavs weren?t asleep, they just used their assets to get Kyrie. Whether they should?ve gone for incremental improvements is a worthwhile debate (albeit one that?s largely contingent on whether Kyrie stays or not imo).

Have any of you conjectured what we would do if the doomsday sequence of events occurs??
- We lose the lottery pick on May 16th
- Kyrie walks in Free Agency

What options would we have?

tap2390 · 04-17-2023, 09:15 AM

Just pray Kyrie wants as much $$$ as possible and needs us to play ball in a S&T.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-17-2023, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Have any of you conjectured what we would do if the doomsday sequence of events occurs??
- We lose the lottery pick on May 16th
- Kyrie walks in Free Agency

What options would we have?

Would it really surprise anyone? Until the FO/coaching disconnect is fixed, then I'm not sure it really matters.

BigDog63 · 04-17-2023, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Cuban has become that type of owner who literally doesn't have a clue as to what it takes for roster building

Has become? Since when, exactly, was Cuban evee a good GM? He's the basketball version of Jerruh...great owner, doesn't know shit about being a GM. How many other teams in the past 20 years would have hired either one as a GM? (hint: None). Both are in Dallas. Sad...

The Mavs FO had a MASSIVE overreaction to the team struggling when half their lineup was out. They were playing very well before then...and likely would have afterwards. So, they got rid of 2 of their core defenders to get a guy who would help offensively...then were shocked that their defense sucked! Who knew? (hint:everyone else on earth).

Now, suppose they keep Irving. How do you build a good team around he and Luka? (hint, that 10th draft pick *might* help a bit, but it ain't gonna do it). That's not going to be easy, lots of holes to fill, and not much available to help fill them. Trade Irving, maybe...but woudln't that be essentially be trying to get back to where they were before they got him? Only other scenario I see is if can trade for AD, but if Lakers keep playing well (and he's playing well)....not sure I see the Lakers doing that?

If McGee were able to play an extended period of time like he played last few games, that would help tremendously...but they would still need a starting big that is good at rebounding and protecting the rim. A big PF too.

tap2390 · 04-17-2023, 02:50 PM

Big Board 2.0

1) Wembanaya - duh (7'4" KD)
2) Scoot - day 1 floor general and class alpha with elite athleticism... needs to work on shooting (Westbrook build with Ja Morant game)
3) Miller - safest player in the draft; well rounded game (Brandon Ingram)
4) Amen T. - the single most athletic player in a draft with Wemby (Anthony Edwards -- better handles, but way worse jumper)
5) Cam Whitmore - great athlete and thrives getting to the rim; one of the younger players in the draft (Aaron Gordon/ Miles Bridges)
6) Jarace Walker - big, strong, versatile 4 who can guard 3-5 (Millsap/ Draymond)
7) Taylor Hendricks - more of a big wing than small PF; versatile defender (Jerami Grant)
8) Gradey Dick - candidate to go surprisingly high... elite off ball shooter who is more serviceable in other regards than a guy like Duncan Robinson (Peja)
9) Cason Wallace - best point of attack defender in the draft; probably has the most to gain/lose from measurements in the draft (Marcus Smart)
10) Anthony Black - a little bit of a tweener, will need to prove jumper is there (more athletic Talen Horton Tucker)

**bonus**
11) Ausar T. - unfortunately has his twin brother's poor shooting without his absolutely jaw-dropping athleticism (although obviously still a good athlete)... needs a few years (RJ Hampton)

BPo001 · 04-17-2023, 04:29 PM

Marc Stein: The Mavericks are in advanced discussions to hire former Utah Jazz lead executive Dennis Lindsey in a consultant?s role to GM Nico Harrison to bolster their front office, league sources tell @TheSteinLine. More posting soon: marcstein.substack.com ? via Twitter TheSteinLine

Cuban admitting Nico was in over his head hiring him as the GM?

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-17-2023, 05:40 PM

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Marc Stein: The Mavericks are in advanced discussions to hire former Utah Jazz lead executive Dennis Lindsey in a consultant?s role to GM Nico Harrison to bolster their front office, league sources tell @TheSteinLine. More posting soon: marcstein.substack.com ? via Twitter TheSteinLine

Cuban admitting Nico was in over his head hiring him as the GM?

Whoops...

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1365085933490610178

EricaLubarsky · 04-17-2023, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Whoops...

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1365085933490610178

What a Cuban move

saclare · 04-17-2023, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Whoops...

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1365085933490610178

Nothing about that story adds up. Waited 6 years to claim Lindsey would "cut his black ass" in what was...checks notes...an exit interview.

I can only hope this distances Cuban from decisions (not likely) and helps guide Nico to better roster building decisions. Nico has his hits, but some big misses.

Unfortunately to the downside, I can see this potentially muddying the already murky waters of who the hell is in charge in the Mavs FO.

Edit: a little more color below on some of the moves around Nico, might even be of his own choosing.

From RealGM but likely included in Stein's substack:

"The Mavericks have been looking for an experienced sounding-board voice since last offseason.

Harrison?s most recent two hires came from the Brooklyn Nets: Senior director of pro personnel Matt Riccardi and senior director of salary cap and strategy Andrew Baker."

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-17-2023, 06:13 PM

Doesn't really matter when Cuban still calls the shots.

Melonhead · 04-18-2023, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Lakers showed the blue print as to how you rebuild a team doing the season

Can't believe they ended up with 4 quality players all around the deadline

Vanderbilt, Beasley, RH and Russell

It's like the mavs were asleep at the wheel while some of those players became available

They showed Kings build over last 4 years, and while they have sucked, they are now poised to be good for a bit, with cap space. Such a fun team to watch too.

SMC0007 · 04-18-2023, 12:46 PM

Yea. Whoops... a nothing burger.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/03/15...ennis-lindsey/

The problem with them hiring Lindsey as a consultant has nothing to do with false accusations and everything to do with a seeming lack of total confidence in Nico doing his job.

EricaLubarsky · 04-18-2023, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea. Whoops... a nothing burger.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/03/15...ennis-lindsey/

The problem with them hiring Lindsey as a consultant has nothing to do with false accusations and everything to do with a seeming lack of total confidence in Nico doing his job.

Why?

Most front offices are 5-8 people. Why does hiring Nico help mean that Cuban isn't confident in him.

BigDog63 · 04-18-2023, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Just pray Kyrie wants as much $$$ as possible and needs us to play ball in a S&T.

Do we even need to pray for that? Isn't that why Brooklyn let him go? He certainly is capable of changing his tune, but not sure I see him taking less money to play here, and somebody would throw money at him.

What you need to be worried about is the Mavs offering him max money. He played fine while he was here, and seems to get along well with team. Would make a good PG, and move Luka to forward (Larry Bird role). Team would be better then, Luka wouldn't be as tired, but...would still have same defensive issues.

FWIW, Kyrie doesn't play bad defense, he's just small (same with Brunson, for that matter). You need those 6'7" players that can guard anybody. Mavs now have...zero of those players?