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Simon2 · 11-23-2003, 07:04 PM

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Walker gets the shots cuz he has the ball.....I like the ball in Nash's hands for two reasons....he is a much better passer and ball handler....and because he forces the ball to his buddy Dirk....

as long as Walker has the ball look for his shot attempts to stay at a pretty constant 15-20 a game....some of these shots need to go to dirk!...

and yes, Dirk is by far our best offensive weapon!...

I really can't understand how you can say Dirk is BY FAR our best offensive weapon. He might be the best but the other guys aren't slouches either. The Big 5 are terrific offensive weapons and each guy has their own style in demolishing the opponent.

Nash - Can't leave him open anywhere because he'll hit the shot. Pushes the ball and keeps defenses on their toes.
Finley - Streaky shooter and can attack the basket when he sets his mind to.
Jamison - Best around the hoop. His awkward little jump hooks are hard to block.
Walker - Can shoot the outside shot and take it to the hoop.
Dirk - nigthmare matchup for anyone. The other team needs a tall athletic guy who is fast enough to keep up with him Dirk undressed KG and that's enough I have to say.

So, its kinda unfair to the other guys to say that Dirk is way better than them offensively. Each of them can explode for 20 pts per game. Heck, even Delk isn't a slouch. He scored 50 pts one time so you know he can score.

No, it is fair to say that Dirk is far and away the best offensive player on this team.

He is the third best offensive player in the league if you ask me.

I think that's the big time homer talking. If you just look at PPG, Dirk is 18th in the league with 20.7. Iverson is leading with 27.9 ppg. How do you measure the offensive ability? Who are 1 and 2?

MightyToine · 11-23-2003, 07:05 PM

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If you think walker is more versatile offensively then Dirk then I'd recommend watching more basketball. Dirk can shoot long j's, better then walker. Dirk can go inside better then walker and the post up game is close, but dirk is the most versatile player in the game offensively, dirk can get any shot he wantsWalker is not more complete then Dirk. If Walker's as good a passer as he is a shooter, you must think he's a horrible passer then?

Why are you hatin' on Walker, Walkerforthree?? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

Ok so he is taking shots away from Dirk. Whose responsibility is it to make sure he DOESN'T Do that again? The Coach.

And Simon(or whatever his name is) makes a good point and I agree with that Walker came from a place where it was him, Pierce, and a whole lot of NOTHING! Walker HAD to shoot early and often to give the Celtics any chance in hell of winning....

Walker would usually "carry" that pathetic group of scrubs for 3 quarters and then let the Goldenboy(who could do no wrong in fan's eyes) take over in the 4th.

So excuse Walker if he's Trying to get used to NOT having Celtic Flashbacks and stuff....

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DON'T YOU THINK THAT WALKER WAS A BIT PISSED OFF THAT THE TEAM WAS DOWN 6 POINTS TO THE NUGGETS?

Hell...I sure as hell would be.

That would sure explain why he was super-aggressive(*psst* he was super-pissed) [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Oh and Mavs fans are going to have to live with Walker shooting 3's like they're going out of style....As long as he continues to stay down low and WORK, baby, WORK!

Simon2 · 11-23-2003, 07:10 PM

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If you think walker is more versatile offensively then Dirk then I'd recommend watching more basketball. Dirk can shoot long j's, better then walker. Dirk can go inside better then walker and the post up game is close, but dirk is the most versatile player in the game offensively, dirk can get any shot he wantsWalker is not more complete then Dirk. If Walker's as good a passer as he is a shooter, you must think he's a horrible passer then?

Why are you hatin' on Walker, Walkerforthree?? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

Ok so he is taking shots away from Dirk. Whose responsibility is it to make sure he DOESN'T Do that again? The Coach.

And Simon(or whatever his name is) makes a good point and I agree with that Walker came from a place where it was him, Pierce, and a whole lot of NOTHING! Walker HAD to shoot early and often to give the Celtics any chance in hell of winning....

Walker would usually "carry" that pathetic group of scrubs for 3 quarters and then let the Goldenboy(who could do no wrong in fan's eyes) take over in the 4th.

So excuse Walker if he's Trying to get used to NOT having Celtic Flashbacks and stuff....

And Besides :

DON'T YOU THINK THAT WALKER WAS A BIT PISSED OFF THAT THE TEAM WAS DOWN 6 POINTS TO THE NUGGETS?

Hell...I sure as hell would be.

I don't exactly see the point of a Walker vs. Dirk argument. Does it really matter who takes more shots or makes more shots. The Mavs don't care. All they care about are wins, specifically, the championship win. If they don't care who scores more, why should we?

ReDIRKulous · 11-23-2003, 07:13 PM

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Walker gets the shots cuz he has the ball.....I like the ball in Nash's hands for two reasons....he is a much better passer and ball handler....and because he forces the ball to his buddy Dirk....

as long as Walker has the ball look for his shot attempts to stay at a pretty constant 15-20 a game....some of these shots need to go to dirk!...

and yes, Dirk is by far our best offensive weapon!...

I really can't understand how you can say Dirk is BY FAR our best offensive weapon. He might be the best but the other guys aren't slouches either. The Big 5 are terrific offensive weapons and each guy has their own style in demolishing the opponent.

Nash - Can't leave him open anywhere because he'll hit the shot. Pushes the ball and keeps defenses on their toes.
Finley - Streaky shooter and can attack the basket when he sets his mind to.
Jamison - Best around the hoop. His awkward little jump hooks are hard to block.
Walker - Can shoot the outside shot and take it to the hoop.
Dirk - nigthmare matchup for anyone. The other team needs a tall athletic guy who is fast enough to keep up with him Dirk undressed KG and that's enough I have to say.

So, its kinda unfair to the other guys to say that Dirk is way better than them offensively. Each of them can explode for 20 pts per game. Heck, even Delk isn't a slouch. He scored 50 pts one time so you know he can score.

No, it is fair to say that Dirk is far and away the best offensive player on this team.

He is the third best offensive player in the league if you ask me.

I think that's the big time homer talking. If you just look at PPG, Dirk is 18th in the league with 20.7. Iverson is leading with 27.9 ppg. How do you measure the offensive ability? Who are 1 and 2?

I am speaking from last seasons play... not the first few games of the season. 1 and 2 is Shaq and Duncan. You could actually have Kobe Tmac and Dirk tied for 3rd just going by offense imo.

MightyToine · 11-23-2003, 07:14 PM

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I don't exactly see the point of a Walker vs. Dirk argument. Does it really matter who takes more shots or makes more shots. The Mavs don't care. All they care about are wins, specifically, the championship win. If they don't care who scores more, why should we?

Beats me. WalkerforThree started this ridiculous thread..

I thought Wins and Losses counted?

This isn't and shouldn't be about stats and who gets his "touches" and shit like that....

Murphy3 · 11-23-2003, 07:16 PM

dirk's the only player that can legitimately score 28-30 a game in an efficient manner on this team.

ReDIRKulous · 11-23-2003, 07:24 PM

How does Walker play in big games? Does he play the same? Or better or worse? What can we expect in the playoffs? He seems like he at least wants to take shots in big games, which is a huge upgrade compared to Raef.

LoveMyMavs14 · 11-23-2003, 07:34 PM

I don't know that Dirk is the third best offensive player in the game, but he is definately close. He is a more efficient scorer than Walker, and comparing his stats to someone like Iverson is irrelevant; Iverson isn't playing with Steve Nash, Michael Finley, Antoine Walker, and Antawn Jamison. I don't expect ANYONE on this team to put up "impressive" stats this year, and they shouldn't be focusing on that anyway--they have done a good job of spreading it out over the Big 5--and we have seen how successful that can be.

I don't think Walker should be the "primary" scorer either, but as Dirk finds his shooting touch, I expect he'll be taking (and making) more shots--especially with his good friend Nash running the point.

MightyToine · 11-23-2003, 07:55 PM

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How does Walker play in big games? Does he play the same? Or better or worse? What can we expect in the playoffs? He seems like he at least wants to take shots in big games, which is a huge upgrade compared to Raef.

One thing I've noticed about Walker the past 2 years that he's gone to the postseason :

He's gotten BETTER both Offensively and Defensively. He also seems to play *smarter* than he does in the regular season (guess that has to do with being more focused or something).....

He really REALLY *HATES* Philly and THE NETS. That, I know for certain.

And Walker isn't afraid of taking the Big Shot....And Walker HAS taken big shots before (Example : In Game 7 against the Sixers in the 2001 Quarter-finals[1st round], he made an absolute DAGGER of a 3-pointer to beat the Sixers in the closing moments....)

Walker is a POSTSEASON-type of player. He reduces the mistakes in the playoffs dramatically and increases his efficiency two-fold.

ReDIRKulous · 11-23-2003, 07:59 PM

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How does Walker play in big games? Does he play the same? Or better or worse? What can we expect in the playoffs? He seems like he at least wants to take shots in big games, which is a huge upgrade compared to Raef.

One thing I've noticed about Walker the past 2 years that he's gone to the postseason :

He's gotten BETTER both Offensively and Defensively. He also seems to play *smarter* than he does in the regular season (guess that has to do with being more focused or something).....

He really REALLY *HATES* Philly and THE NETS. That, I know for certain.

And Walker isn't afraid of taking the Big Shot....And Walker HAS taken big shots before (Example : In Game 7 against the Sixers in the 2001 Quarter-finals[1st round], he made an absolute DAGGER of a 3-pointer to beat the Sixers in the closing moments....)

Walker is a POSTSEASON-type of player. He reduces the mistakes in the playoffs dramatically and increases his efficiency two-fold.

Do you think he will play better than he is playing now? Or do you think he is kind of in playoff mode right now because of the circumstances?

FilthyFinMavs · 11-23-2003, 08:00 PM

I have no problem with it. I rarely question Walker's shot selection. You won't see him forcing a 3 and if he is forcing it is more than likley inside the paint.

Chiwas · 11-23-2003, 08:03 PM

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Walker is a POSTSEASON-type of player. He reduces the mistakes in the playoffs dramatically and increases his efficiency two-fold.

You're creating excitement. I'll hang you if he won't score 44, rebound 22 and assist 12 in every game of the playoffs.

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Simon2 · 11-23-2003, 09:24 PM

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Walker is a POSTSEASON-type of player. He reduces the mistakes in the playoffs dramatically and increases his efficiency two-fold.

You're creating excitement. I'll hang you if he won't score 44, rebound 22 and assist 12 in every game of the playoffs.

Lol!

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MightyToine · 11-23-2003, 09:45 PM

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Do you think he will play better than he is playing now? Or do you think he is kind of in playoff mode right now because of the circumstances?

I don't know if he will play better...but I DO know that he will cut down on his Fancy-passes and his itchy-trigger-finger on firing up shots....

And as for the 2nd question? That's a good question.

I don't know. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

kg_veteran · 11-23-2003, 10:29 PM

If Walker ends the season with more FGA than Dirk, I might get upset THEN.

Walkerforthree · 11-23-2003, 10:33 PM

Walker's career fg% is .001 higher then his career fg% in the playoffs, not sure if that's "stepping it up".

Walkerforthree · 11-23-2003, 10:37 PM

By the way, im not "hating" on Toine, look at sn, lol, I like him a lot.

MightyToine · 11-24-2003, 01:29 AM

Hey Toinefor3,

How do you change the "face" above your name? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Mavs Rule · 11-24-2003, 01:45 AM

Walkerforthree, you sound alot like Murph having some fun. I am enjoying it though. Things must be slow at work. [img]i/expressions/wine.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Shaq Attack2 · 11-24-2003, 02:40 AM

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If Walker ends the season with more FGA than Dirk, I might get upset THEN.

Yes, that would be very bad. Dirk needs to take more shots than anyone else, period. Walker needs to stick to rebounding, defense, passing and making open layups and jump shots (though he can post up a few times a game if he sees the opening, but no more than that).

Murphy3 · 11-24-2003, 09:21 AM

It's a little early to be upset about it. However, it's not too early to keep a concerned eye on it.

And I think that the end of the season is probably a bit to late to just start getting upset about it. I'm sure there's a happy median in between now and the end of the season.

As for me being walkerfor3, I assure you that I am not him. I would never chose a name involving anything to do with the Mavericks.

dallas_esq · 11-24-2003, 09:25 AM

Some d-m.com veteran is hiding behind that name. It's so obvious when these new names come on when it is a ghost of a previous poster.

Walkerforthree · 11-24-2003, 03:09 PM

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Some d-m.com veteran is hiding behind that name. It's so obvious when these new names come on when it is a ghost of a previous poster.

no hiding here im afraid[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

I agree with Murph. There needs to be median. Perhaps I jumped the gun a wee bit early, but 13 games in seems like enough for there to be no excuse for this. If in 10 games walker still has more fga, I will bring this thread back up.