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jthig32 · 12-10-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Agreed. In part because I've seen reports that the Kings renounced Dalembert, and in part because, even though Dalembert was the first place my mind went when news started to break about Tyson, I'd pretty much accepted that they weren't going to go that direction.

Of course, it really depends on what the contract terms ended up being. Maybe the market only really had an appetite for TC, Nene and Gasol with a little bit of Jordan mixed in, and the going prices for guys like Daly turn out to be more reasonable?

They're way under the cap so them renouncing him doesn't really make much difference.

grndmstr_c · 12-10-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

They're way under the cap so them renouncing him doesn't really make much difference.

I'd been assuming they needed to renounce to clear space for some other things they'd done/were doing, else why renounce, but then again, I haven't been following their moves too closely, and they definitely had a lot of cap space. I've pretty much been keeping an eye on Daly and that's it. At any rate, the later reports about the one-year try clear things up. If you don't think the TPE is going to help you land Howard, and you don't mind paying the LT, a mercenary Dalembert is a good get for this team as far as I'm concerned.

jthig32 · 12-10-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I'd been assuming they needed to renounce to clear space for some other things they'd done/were doing, else why renounce, but then again, I haven't been following their moves too closely, and they definitely had a lot of cap space. I've pretty much been keeping an eye on Daly and that's it. At any rate, the later reports about the one-year try clear things up. If you don't think the TPE is going to help you land Howard, and you don't mind paying the LT, a mercenary Dalembert is a good get for this team as far as I'm concerned.

Keep in mind his cap hold was 150% of his salary. So he was taking up 18Mil of space. They had to renounce him to do almost anything. I'm pretty sure they still have enough space for a big SnT, especially if they get someone back like JJ.

grndmstr_c · 12-10-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Keep in mind his cap hold was 150% of his salary. So he was taking up 18Mil of space. They had to renounce him to do almost anything. I'm pretty sure they still have enough space for a big SnT, especially if they get someone back like JJ.

Didn't know the cap hold was 150% of salary. New thing? Or just long-uncorrected ignorance on my part?

jthig32 · 12-10-2011, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Didn't know the cap hold was 150% of salary. New thing? Or just long-uncorrected ignorance on my part?

It was that way in the last CBA. Cap holds are not one-to-one calculations:

Coon

dirk2003 · 12-10-2011, 02:39 PM

Haywood's contract doesn't looks so awful now that everyone is getting way overpaid. If he can put together a few decent games, I think we will be able to find a suiter.

Then we amnesty Marion.

This should allow us to sign Deron and Dwight.

Here is my question...

Why is Orlando allowing us to talk to Dwight?!

Is just some last ditch effort to get the most for him from the Lakers or another team by including us?

Or are they really that stupid that they would allow us to talk to him (and hopefully convince him) knowing our only interest is to get him as a FA?

Too bad LeBron gave all these teams a free lesson that getting anything for a star is way better than losing him for nothing. Especially with how obvious Howard has made it that he is leaving.

I think it comes down to this:

CP3/KOBE/DWIGHT

or

DERON/DIRK/DWIGHT

Most likely the first one..

Dirkenstien · 12-10-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk2003

Here is my question...

Why is Orlando allowing us to talk to Dwight?!

Is just some last ditch effort to get the most for him from the Lakers or another team by including us?

Or are they really that stupid that they would allow us to talk to him (and hopefully convince him) knowing our only interest is to get him as a FA?

I surmise we're simply one of the three teams Howard has listed as teams he would want to be traded to and re-sign with. Howard has indicated in the past that Dallas is a team he'd like to be traded to.

Our main trading advantage is taking on contracts, however, bringing back either of Orlando's two albatross contracts (Hedo,Arenas) would ruin any chance we would have at luring Deron in 2012 (If we have Dwight and sufficient cap space, you can count on Deron coming home to Dallas, imo). At the same time, I can't see Orlando wanting to set LA up with another dynasty, and I can't see Orlando wanting to specifically pair Howard up with Deron in the East, so there may be motive for Orlando to work something out with us. We would need to be creative in involving another team who has better trade assets, though.