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Sportstudi · 01-21-2009, 02:14 PM

Interesting article.... Link

DirkFTW · 01-21-2009, 02:31 PM

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Some close to Nowitzki maintain he's not as tied down to Dallas as those on the outside believe. His closest friends in the organization are staff members, not players. While his relationship to former coach Avery Johnson deteriorated, Nowitzki hasn't connected with Rick Carlisle. Several veteran players are underwhelmed with the new coach's methods, including with practices they say accomplish little.

This part sounds bad. =(

Re-Dirk-ulous · 01-21-2009, 02:35 PM

Thanks, good read.

Interesting how he points out that Dirk hasn't connected with Carlisle and how some of the players feel underwhelmed with coach's methods.

He also states that Dirk's closest friends are staff members, not players... Don't know if it means anything

Re-Dirk-ulous · 01-21-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

This part sounds bad. =(

Say it ain't so

Dim499 · 01-21-2009, 02:46 PM

This thing paints a grim picture. I hate that he doesn't even believe they are as good as the Utah/Seattle/Portland teams of the 1990s. Hate that he's such a realist.

Also stop hanging out with that retarded Al Whitley staff guy or whatever his name is. You got Carroll to white out together now bitch.

SMC0007 · 01-21-2009, 03:21 PM

This part sounds good....

Nowitzki has a preference.

"I've been here a long time and I want to win a championship here," he said. "To win it somewhere else probably won't feel the same because I poured my heart and soul out here for the last 10 years. That would be the ultimate to win it here.

"Other than that I can't control anything else. I'd love to play here, I want to make it work here and we'll just see what the future brings. I'm certainly not looking to bail out."

I'm not worried about what "some close to him" say.

SMC0007 · 01-21-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dim499

This thing paints a grim picture. I hate that he doesn't even believe they are as good as the Utah/Seattle/Portland teams of the 1990s. Hate that he's such a realist.

Also stop hanging out with that retarded Al Whitley staff guy or whatever his name is. You got Carroll to white out together now bitch.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-21-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

This part sounds bad. =(

Honestly, I have been pretty unimpressed with the coaching this season as well. The play calling is medicre at best, the substitutions have been near wacko (Barea starting at the 2 guard, although this one at least had some success but still...and Green, Williams, Singleton all vanishing basically after getting early minutes), inability to get consistent play out of anyone not named Dirk/Terry, inbounds plays are still pretty weak, giving up leads like against the Sixers, poor team energy/effort....etc. etc. etc.

I know this isn't ALL the coaches faults but has anyone really been impressed? The rebounding is nice but other than that...

I hope Fish or someone writes a more detailed article about what all our assistant coaches do.

SMC0007 · 01-21-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Honestly, I have been pretty unimpressed with the coaching this season as well. The play calling is medicre at best, the substitutions have been near wacko (Barea starting at the 2 guard, although this one at least had some success but still...and Green, Williams, Singleton all vanishing basically after getting early minutes), inability to get consistent play out of anyone not named Dirk/Terry, inbounds plays are still pretty weak, giving up leads like against the Sixers, poor team energy/effort....etc. etc. etc. I know this isn't ALL the coaches faults but has anyone really been impressed? The rebounding is nice but other than that...

I hope Fish or someone writes a more detailed article about what all our assistant coaches do.

A lot of this was going on before RC got here, nothing really changed as ide from minor personel.

I haven't been blown away by coaching, but it's hard to get a feel of the team. After half the season, the only thing I have learned is that we need to make a move. Dirk needs consistent help, a creator of the offensive arts!

chumdawg · 01-21-2009, 03:41 PM

If Dirk does opt out after next year, I'm sure the Nash and Finley dealings will be part of the reason why.

Windmill360 · 01-21-2009, 04:14 PM

I think the thread title should be changed to "Dirk wants to be traded".

Robillion · 01-21-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

If Dirk does opt out after next year, I'm sure the Nash and Finley dealings will be part of the reason why.

Great... Thanks for giving Chum the opportunity to discuss his favorite bit of Mavs history once again. heh j/king...

I see Dirk walking if we fall we do we ever fall below 500 for a season and/or do not make the playoffs for two seasons. If he sees absolutely no opportunity for resolve than he would be stupid not to walk. I have much more optimism for our future though, and I know Dirk does as well. We would have to be terrible (OKC Thunder terrible) over the next two years for him to consider it I think. Or if Celtics/Lakers loses Garnett/Gasol to a terrible career ending injury and they need another PF and have the mula.

dalger · 01-21-2009, 05:36 PM

I really wouldn't read too much into the quoted section. What's wrong with having staff members instead of one of your 14 fellow players as your closest friends? It seems to me that Dirk gets along well with guys like JET, Kidd, or Dampier. After the Philly win, he specifically pointed out the team's support while the reaction on the court after his final shot seemed to indicate a good chemistry, and, which is more important, a collective and genuine interest in winning. This is why Dirk and the rest of the guys are (hopefully) here -- not to make friends for life with everyone, but to win games and eventually a ring.

As long as Dirk sees a chance to win a championship in Dallas, he will stay and support any trade that might help in that respect, even if he "lost" a friend on the way. As far as I know, he liked Devin but wanted Kidd.

Carlisle's methods are as much subject to discussion as anyone's methods, and it's okay to be skeptical after a 24-17 start, but how could it be possible to have a constantly "underwhelming" coach when two former head coaches are sitting right next to him to give advise? Rumors like this one are hard to believe, especially when a coach has had success like Carlisle. Is he maybe just 'different'?

Trading Josh for a reliable player with similar talents and seeing what Stack's contract, maybe alongside other pieces, can get you should appease Dirk more than anything, if the latter is necessary at all. Success is what makes you happy as a professional athlete.

rabbitproof · 01-21-2009, 05:38 PM

Dirk will never say 'trade me', so this is as 'I don't care if I'm here or not' as Dirk can get.

LonghornDub · 01-21-2009, 06:23 PM

That article is full of hearsay and speculation. We'll never have any idea whether every player is unsatisfied with RC's practice methods, or if maybe one single player made an offhand remark about it and Garcia generalized such that he could turn it into a paragraph in his story. It could be anything.

For that reason, I tend to think that any section without quotes in an article like that is, more or less, worthless.

jthig32 · 01-21-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

That article is full of hearsay and speculation. We'll never have any idea whether every player is unsatisfied with RC's practice methods, or if maybe one single player made an offhand remark about it and Garcia generalized such that he could turn it into a paragraph in his story. It could be anything.

For that reason, I tend to think that any section without quotes in an article like that is, more or less, worthless.

I tend to agree. I was never much of a fan of Garcia's when he was a beat guy covering the team. His statements about Dirk and Carlisle seem awfully flippant and unfounded.

grndmstr_c · 01-21-2009, 07:35 PM

Garcia makes this sound worse than it probably is. Dirk's German, not a Dallas native. And how many players are necessarily chummy with their coaches, and how much does that matter? Rick's got a long way to go before he gets anywhere close to abusing his relationship with Dirk the way that f*&^nut Avery did.

Also, notice it's not stated that Dirk (or for that matter JET or Kidd) are among the veteran players less than enthusiastic about Carlisle's handling of the team. I could care less if Devean George isn't in love with his new coach. And if Josh is in that group of "several", ... well, that's just one more reason I'd be happy to see him shipped off for somebody who can play a team game when they're sharing the court with an MVP, a first-ballot HOF facilitator, and a soon-to-be 6th man of the year winner.