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dirt_dobber · 06-11-2019, 05:20 AM

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I have zero issues with the arena cheering when KD went down. It's passionate sports fans being caught rooting for their team. No complaints especially since we're living in a "ring or bust" world. Sportsmanship claims mostly come from those not emotionally invested.

I REALLY disagree with this post and sentiment.

Jack.Kerr · 06-11-2019, 09:28 AM

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I REALLY disagree with this post and sentiment.

What happened to the 'downvote' feature?

Gloomy days for the NBA. These teams at full strength would've been a great match-up. Two teams with different styles, with individual elite players. I wouldn't necessarily have favored GSW either. Toronto had been through the fire in the series versus Philly (with the series-clenching buzzer beater) and Milwaukee (with the gritty 2OT win), and was playing with momentum. GSW seemed like they'd been holding back all year, waiting for the playoffs, internal squabbling, never quite hitting their full stride. A Raptors championship would've been fine with me.

But Durant's injury (and the Toronto crowd's reaction to it; c'mon, I KNOW Canadians are better than that) just puts a big cloud over the series and the season. Whether anyone wanted to admit it or not, there was going to be a big asterisk beside a Raptors' championship with Durant sidelined, just like there has always been an asterisk beside the Warriors' championship versus Cleveland when Kyrie went down, and by CP3's injury last year. Win by attrition, lose by attrition.

Really hate to see an elite player like Durant injured. (In normal times, this would've happened AFTER the Knicks signed him to an ultra-mega-super-deluxe contract.) Will be interesting to see the fall-out. Was he pressured to return? Did he put pressure on himself? Is that kind of "calf injury" as a precursor to a ruptured Achilles even the kind of thing that can heal without surgical intervention? Was that Achilles injury always going to be there, just waiting to happen? In Durant's shoes, I can't imagine that I would have returned with a huge payday waiting.

Raptors beating GSW Scrubs (plus Curry and Thompson) is a lackluster end to the season.

turin · 06-11-2019, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

I have zero issues with the arena cheering when KD went down. It's passionate sports fans being caught rooting for their team. No complaints especially since we're living in a "ring or bust" world. Sportsmanship claims mostly come from those not emotionally invested.

Disagree.

endtroducing MASKED · 06-12-2019, 11:30 AM

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I have zero issues with the arena cheering when KD went down. It's passionate sports fans being caught rooting for their team. No complaints especially since we're living in a "ring or bust" world. Sportsmanship claims mostly come from those not emotionally invested.

I’m concerned that this guy has revealed himself as a serial killer

turin · 06-12-2019, 01:40 PM

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I’m concerned that this guy has revealed himself as a serial killer

I think you're being a bit overly dramatic. A killer maybe, but a serial killer? Uh, no. ;-)

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2019, 04:02 AM

No. There is no excuse, and it’s positively stupid when your team lost. That is going to be big time fuel for the Warriors who now have a big chance to win again.

We would all be an angry mob if opposing fans cheered on a Dirk injury.

j0Shi · 06-11-2019, 06:50 AM

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We would all be an angry mob if opposing fans cheered on a Dirk injury.

Except nobody was rooting against the player. They were rooting for their team. Their chances at winning just increased. It's not different to a made basket, signing a free agent, or anything that enhances your chance of winning. Toronto fans weren't actively rooting for an injury (have you seen "KD please tore your Achilles kthxbye signs?), only celebrated their luck as it happened. I think it's an important distinction to make.

Should you be allowed to root for another team to lose? You'd probably say yes. But then why not root for that team to lose a star, which significantly impacts the chances of them losing. It doesn't make sense. It's weird morale applied by folks from the outside.

Passionate fans help the sport more than they hurt. Just look at tonight. This just added a new story line and more fuel for the Warriors. How about their fans giving Toronto players a hard time now during the next game? I would certainly love it!

sefant77 · 06-11-2019, 08:51 AM

you can boo the other team. you can cheer and laugh when they fail on the court/field...when they go down with an injury you shut your mouth. Simple as hell. Even in rough european soccer the people shut up and dont cheer or laugh

j0Shi · 06-11-2019, 09:40 AM

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Even in rough european soccer the people shut up and dont cheer or laugh

Oh c'mon. Yes when players are carried off the court fans usually pay respect and cheer, but that was the case yesterday when Durant left as well. What people bitch about is the initial reaction and you can't tell me fans' all over the world, in the heat of the moment, no matter the sport, aren't "hell yeah" first. There's too much on the line especially because of that bullshit "winner takes it all" mentality.

That's all I'm saying, I don't blame them.

An extreme example that illustrates my point: Game 7 Finals, your team up by one, opponent has the last shot. Would be the first championship for your franchise. Opposing player drives, twists ankle, falls down, time expires.

Do you celebrate?

saclare · 06-11-2019, 11:45 AM

Yikes. Not a hill to double/triple down die on...

Male30Dan · 06-11-2019, 03:32 PM

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Yikes. Not a hill to double/triple down die on...

Not saying I agree at all with the sentiment from the post above (one of my worst sports memories of all time was Irvin being laughed into retirement in Philly), but see Max's take.

Melonhead · 06-11-2019, 11:53 PM

I think Durant opts out and signs a max with the Warriors IF he feels everything was done right by staff and doctors when he was cleared.

I also dont think he'd want to rehab for a full season in a new city. Of course the Knicks, Nets, etc would still give him max to do so, but it puts all of their plans on hold for a season. Brooklyn cleared space for 2 max, Knicks were obviously expecting to get a second guy too to run with Durant. Now thats all up in the air.

Now where does Kyrie go? KD going down really changes the landscape of the NBA.

tap2390 · 06-12-2019, 09:22 AM

Rich Paul tells sports illustrated that Anthony Davis will not re-sign with the Celtics if traded there. Lots of thoughts on this (primarily that I hate Rich Paul for killing the Pels leverage when he could’ve told that to the C’s privately, but also for ruining my hot take on this.)

Other than the Celtics, who has anything worth anything to the Pels? My new prediction is AD to the Knicks on draft day for RJ + picks. Don’t think the Pels want anything to do with DSJ or Knox.

BPo001 · 06-12-2019, 11:17 AM

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Rich Paul tells sports illustrated that Anthony Davis will not re-sign with the Celtics if traded there. Lots of thoughts on this (primarily that I hate Rich Paul for killing the Pels leverage when he could’ve told that to the C’s privately, but also for ruining my hot take on this.)

Other than the Celtics, who has anything worth anything to the Pels? My new prediction is AD to the Knicks on draft day for RJ + picks. Don’t think the Pels want anything to do with DSJ or Knox.

NOLA said they want an established AllStar though. Could wind up being a 3 team deal. I think AD goes to the Knicks though since they have all those draft picks. Hopefully Lakers strike out in FA and Lebron rots in LA.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2019, 02:46 PM

It’s pretty fascinating that the Durant narrative might completely change from a tag along to a championship team to a guy who sacrificed the rest of his career to help his team win.

j0Shi · 06-12-2019, 10:47 PM

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It’s pretty fascinating that the Durant narrative might completely change from a tag along to a championship team to a guy who sacrificed the rest of his career to help his team win.

I guess if you absolutely need a hero in this story you could tell it this way. The truth is probably a little bit less dramatic and more about bad luck than anything.

I know I'm a hater, but why would this change KD and the Warriors one bit? He went there for rings so he ofc is doing everything to get them.

Also can't wait for the Davis saga to be over. Him and Rich Paul are completely annoying.

sefant77 · 06-12-2019, 11:23 AM

Would love if the Pelicans would let him rot on the bench one more year. Subbing him in in garbage time

BPo001 · 06-12-2019, 03:06 PM

KD had surgery today to repair ruptured Achilles. That was quick. I thought they typically had to wait a bit for swelling to go down.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-13-2019, 12:34 AM

You know what would have had a big chance of happening had KD not joined the Warriors? The Harden Mcflopper would have a ring.

And I think the Rockets are a good example of why being almost good enough to win a ring isn’t enough. Durant was never winning a ring with Westbrick.

Just can’t believe people still hate on Durant for playing a game that the league allows. As long as they allow player collusion, then there will be super teams in the works.

j0Shi · 06-13-2019, 01:00 AM

Let's not pretend the Warriors minus Durant would literally be the Warriors minus Durant. They would have utilized the 30M cap space differently and be very competitive, and probably still on top. Not sure who, but someone on the Ringer said it best. Warriors didn't need Durant to win the titles in recent years, but it sure made them invincible.

I do indeed think the league has to solve that problem (my suggestions: name it the "Durant" rule), but that doesn't mean KD cannot be held accountable morally. There would have been tons of ways to get away from Westbrook and to a better situation, but he chose to join what already was the best team. He is the first true Nazgûl and many will follow.

I'm just glad this finally started to backfire in the ratings. I've been speculating that the lack of competitive balance will hurt the league and the first indications of that being true are out there.

Dtownsfinest · 06-13-2019, 10:30 PM

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Let's not pretend the Warriors minus Durant would literally be the Warriors minus Durant. They would have utilized the 30M cap space differently and be very competitive, and probably still on top. Not sure who, but someone on the Ringer said it best. Warriors didn't need Durant to win the titles in recent years, but it sure made them invincible.

I do indeed think the league has to solve that problem (my suggestions: name it the "Durant" rule), but that doesn't mean KD cannot be held accountable morally. There would have been tons of ways to get away from Westbrook and to a better situation, but he chose to join what already was the best team. He is the first true Nazgûl and many will follow.

I'm just glad this finally started to backfire in the ratings. I've been speculating that the lack of competitive balance will hurt the league and the first indications of that being true are out there.

I disagree. I think they do need Durant now. They really need more outside shooting outside of Curry and Klay.

BPo001 · 06-13-2019, 10:01 PM

Through 3 quarters and Danny Green has 0 shots.

sefant77 · 06-13-2019, 11:09 PM

Let the butthurt flow in SA

Underdog · 06-13-2019, 11:19 PM

Congrats to Toronto!

j0Shi · 06-14-2019, 12:20 AM

Congrats to Toronto. Well deserved especially since they proved that there is value in building your team over years and stay competitive although you can't seem to be able to beat LeBron or the Warriors. Ujiri is a beast, but now has his biggest task ahead of meeting expectations without Kawhi.

To me it also validates what the Mavs where doing during Dirk's prime. Just reload every year and hope for a shot. They had two and won one. Should have been more, but that's bad luck. Don't forget that Raps needed a weird situation in San Antonio and a depleted Warriors team to get over the hump. You usually don't just assemble the best team in the league and start winning. But you can out yourself into a position to profit when others struggle.

Also Kawhi winning the title as rental is hilariously representative of the current state of the NBA. I wouldn't be surprised if superstars in the future chose to gather for a year or two on short-term contracts just to win a title and then move on.

BPo001 · 06-14-2019, 06:51 AM

I wonder how Derozen feels..

sefant77 · 06-14-2019, 10:07 AM

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I wonder how Derozen feels..

Well, he handled it like a idiot that the Raptors traded him for a MVP player:

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"Honestly, I don't think I even said this -- I probably said it to my own inner circle -- but if it wasn't for all the years and groundwork that I did before then, none of them things would've been possible," DeRozan told Bleacher Report in a video interview. "Yes, I fought, I sacrificed, I pushed the limits to where I had to be the sacrificial lamb.

"You just have to sit back and understand, like, you know, you are the reason so many things was even possible."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-raptors-climb

As almost as stupid as Averys claim that he was the sole reason that Dirk became great

saclare · 06-14-2019, 10:58 AM

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Well, he handled it like a idiot that the Raptors traded him for a MVP player:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-raptors-climb

As almost as stupid as Averys claim that he was the sole reason that Dirk became great

There's a slice of it that's true though, albeit small. It probably is a gut punch feeling seeing it happen and knowing you didn't get to cap it off for a city he came to love. I kind of like the realness.

sefant77 · 06-14-2019, 11:51 AM

DeFrozen has nothing to do with this ring. He has nothing to do with the emerge of Siakam (without that jump they dont win the title) or the win now trade for Gasol.

He was the trade fodder for Kawhi. Thats it. That is not "being the lamb and laying the ground work" blabla

tap2390 · 06-15-2019, 09:43 AM

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DeFrozen has nothing to do with this ring. He has nothing to do with the emerge of Siakam (without that jump they dont win the title) or the win now trade for Gasol.

He was the trade fodder for Kawhi. Thats it. That is not "being the lamb and laying the ground work" blabla

Derozan acts like a pouty teen. I get that he had a strong connection to Toronto, but he’s getting paid millions in an income tax free state to hit midrange jumpers. The lack of perspective some of these guys have is infuriating. True sacrifice is trying to budget to pay for both insulin and food.