Gortat appears* bound for a team not named the Dallas Mavericks

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

11 points and 15 boards, all the while being a completely unproven player. I could be wrong about Damp's stats, but when was the last time he put up 11 and 15 in a playoff game?

For that matter, Gortat stayed on the court for 40 minutes. When is the last time Damp played 40 minutes in a playoff game? Has he ever?

Gortat's last (and only) 40 minutes playoff game happened exactly two nights after Damp's last 40 minutes playoff game. Damp put up a double/double in that game while contending with Tim Duncan. You could easily make the case that Damp's performance that night out shined Gortat's given the competition.

Anything else?

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Gortat's last (and only) 40 minutes playoff game happened exactly two nights after Damp's last 40 minutes playoff game. Damp put up a double/double in that game while contending with Tim Duncan. You could easily make the case that Damp's performance that night out shined Gortat's given the competition.

Anything else?

Damp manage a 40MP and a 38MP against the Spurs, giving him two games in ten (that's 20%, for the mathematically disinclined) that he managed to keep himself on the court for more than a mere 23 MPG. Why? If it wasn't for suckitude, look at the fouls given. When you give fouls out like candy, it may look like you are playing good defense, but the flip side of that is that you cann't keep it up for long.

Anyway...when Damp went for 40 he put up 10 and 11 and 11 and 12. The ENTIRE rest of the time he was pretty much non-existent. Against Denver, he was probably hurting the team more than he was helping. It is almost difficult to describe just how bad he was in that series. You hold Duncan up as proof of Damp's prowess. Evidently if Damp could play Duncan every time we would be good off with him. If he had to play Denver every time, he would be the worst player in the league.

So...yeah, that's what else.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Damp manage a 40MP and a 38MP against the Spurs, giving him two games in ten (that's 20%, for the mathematically disinclined) that he managed to keep himself on the court for more than a mere 23 MPG. Why? If it wasn't for suckitude, look at the fouls given. When you give fouls out like candy, it may look like you are playing good defense, but the flip side of that is that you cann't keep it up for long.

Anyway...when Damp went for 40 he put up 10 and 11 and 11 and 12. The ENTIRE rest of the time he was pretty much non-existent. Against Denver, he was probably hurting the team more than he was helping. It is almost difficult to describe just how bad he was in that series. You hold Duncan up as proof of Damp's prowess. Evidently if Damp could play Duncan every time we would be good off with him. If he had to play Denver every time, he would be the worst player in the league.

So...yeah, that's what else.

And?

Look you brought up the double/double and the minutes played. I simply answered your questions and brought a little factual evidence to the discussion.

I don't think anyone ever made the case that Damp is all-NBA quality. I know I certainly didn't. So I'm not really sure what you're getting at with your post above.

If you expect Gortat to be putting up 11 and 15 on a nightly basis in any matchup in the playoffs AND defend the paint then prepare to be disappointed.

Again, I am NOT saying Gortat will not be a successful rotation player. I'm not even saying it's out of the question that he's a better player than Damp next season. All I've said all along is that the notion that he's automatically an upgrade over Damp and ready to start and play 30+ minutes a night is ridiculous.

That's not even much of a limb to go out on, either. There are people in this thread comparing Gortat to Calvin Booth for goodness sake. Am I really saying anything that off the wall?

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Again, I am NOT saying Gortat will not be a successful rotation player. I'm not even saying it's out of the question that he's a better player than Damp next season.

Whoa, cowboy. A minute ago you were banging your head against a hard surface.

There are people in this thread comparing Gortat to Calvin Booth for goodness sake. Am I really saying anything that off the wall?

You want to throw your lot in with that?

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Whoa, cowboy. A minute ago you were banging your head against a hard surface.

*sigh*

Do you not see a distinction between "Gortat could possibly surpass Damp as a player at some point next season" and "Well at least Gortat's better than that scrub Dampier"?????

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by jthig32

*sigh*

Do you not see a distinction between "Gortat could possibly surpass Damp as a player at some point next season" and "Well at least Gortat's better than that scrub Dampier"?????

Distinction between what could happen and what might not happen? Of course. Cuts both ways, though, bro. When you were banging your head on your desk, you were displaying your clear judgment that you knew which way the worm would turn.

It's like we're going to flip a coin, and someone thinks it coming up heads, and you beat your head on the desk over and over again because you just KNOW that it's coming up tails.

Well, if you do know that, then it makes sense to do so. But you don't. As you have now come around to admitting.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Distinction between what could happen and what might not happen? Of course. Cuts both ways, though, bro. When you were banging your head on your desk, you were displaying your clear judgment that you knew which way the worm would turn.

It's like we're going to flip a coin, and someone thinks it coming up heads, and you beat your head on the desk over and over again because you just KNOW that it's coming up tails.

Well, if you do know that, then it makes sense to do so. But you don't. As you have now come around to admitting.

No it's distinction between what might happen and the current situation. The current situation is that Damp is an average starting NBA center with a lot of skins on the wall (relatively speaking).

The current situation is that Gortat is basically a guy coming off his rookie season and has played more than half an NBA game only a handful of times.

So the idea that Gortat is, as of July 3rd, 2009, a better starting center than Dampier is ridiculous (in my opinion).

What I will concede is that on July 3rd of 2010, Gortat may have proven himself capable of being a starting center on a playoff caliber team, and established himself as a better option for the Mavericks.

That is NOTHING like claiming you know what the outcome of a coin flip is. Your analogy there was terrible.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

You want to throw your lot in with that?

No. There's simply not enough of a body of work to make that claim yet.

[The Crippler]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Damp manage a 40MP and a 38MP against the Spurs, giving him two games in ten (that's 20%, for the mathematically disinclined) that he managed to keep himself on the court for more than a mere 23 MPG. Why? If it wasn't for suckitude, look at the fouls given. When you give fouls out like candy, it may look like you are playing good defense, but the flip side of that is that you cann't keep it up for long.

Anyway...when Damp went for 40 he put up 10 and 11 and 11 and 12. The ENTIRE rest of the time he was pretty much non-existent. Against Denver, he was probably hurting the team more than he was helping. It is almost difficult to describe just how bad he was in that series. You hold Duncan up as proof of Damp's prowess. Evidently if Damp could play Duncan every time we would be good off with him. If he had to play Denver every time, he would be the worst player in the league.

So...yeah, that's what else.

Throughout his career, Damp averages 4.3 fouls/36 minutes and that number was down to 3.7 last season. Gortat averages 5.0 fouls/36 minutes. Tell me again, who's more likely to be on the court? The numbers say Damp.

[badfish22]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Gortat's last (and only) 40 minutes playoff game happened exactly two nights after Damp's last 40 minutes playoff game. Damp put up a double/double in that game while contending with Tim Duncan. You could easily make the case that Damp's performance that night out shined Gortat's given the competition.

Anything else?

I just instantly became a lot less excited about Gortat.

[Windmill360]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Damp put up a double/double in that game while contending with Tim Duncan.
Anything else?

Really? Not Samuel Dalambert?

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Windmill360

Really? Not Samuel Dalambert?

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[Windmill360]

Originally Posted by jthig32

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Gortats 15/11 game was against the sixers.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Windmill360

Gortats 15/11 game was against the sixers.

This doesn't really clarify anything for me. I didn't say it wasn't.

[Windmill360]

Originally Posted by jthig32

This doesn't really clarify anything for me. I didn't say it wasn't.

Oh well then I was comparing Duncan with Dalambert.

[sike]

Originally Posted by jthig32

This doesn't really clarify anything for me. I didn't say it wasn't.

he was agreeing with you by pointing out that Gortat was playing against far less competition than Tim Duncan in his big game.