MAVS/RAPTORS TRADE SAID TO GO DOWN...

[bigdaddy]

Antonio Davis

for

Jamison
Delk

Apparently this was reported on ESPN TV.

[Evilmav2]

Only in the fondest dreams of Toronto fans... There is no way this is going to happen.

[grndmstr_c]

Outside of the fact that this is ridiculous, I've been watching ESPN for about the past 2.5 hours and have heard nothing of the sort.

[MavKikiNYC]

And shouldn't this be in the rumored trades thread?

And anticipating this thread's relocation, I will say that Jamison/Delk makes no sense now given the Jalen Rose trade.

I'd send Fortson and Delk, though. And whatever salary fodder needed to be included.

[Murphy3]

it was apparently reported on ESPN? who apparently reported it?

[bigdaddy]

A human

[Murphy3]

Originally posted by: bigdaddy
A human

bigdaddy, don't be a smart@ss. I'm just curious as to 'who' reported this.

[bigdaddy]

it's all over two other boards..saying people in toronto is reporting it..i didn't say it has happened..but is said to...

check ESPN message boards..and insidehoops

[Murphy3]

cool..thanks
see, that wasn't too hard, was it?
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[Rhylan]

stoopidest trade ever, not involving charlie ward.

[Tyler]

That deal is illegal as reported. Since Delk was only recently acquired, he can't be dealt for a while longer -- late December, I believe.

[Simon2]

Lol! They wish.

[bigdaddy]

it's happening

[Rhylan]

bigdaddy, cite some sources, or can it.

[bigdaddy]

realgm.com

[Simon2]

OK. here it is:

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (12.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 26.6 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (10.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 25.1 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Antonio Davis (7.7 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -15.3 ppg, -0.5 rpg, and -1.5 apg.

Toronto trades: PF Antonio Davis (7.7 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34.9 minutes)
Toronto receives: SF Antawn Jamison (12.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 12 games)
PG Tony Delk (10.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 7 games)
Change in team outlook: +15.3 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and +1.5 apg.

TRADE DECLINED

[bigdaddy]

that might not even be the actual deal....check realgm message boards

[Bayliss]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap.php

Not confirming this trade nor denying it. But realgm is reporting it. Both trades by the Raptors. Take it for what it's worth. If it actually does happen it can only mean one thing: Nelson realizes that Dirk at center is not feasible.

[Simon2]

Originally posted by: bigdaddy
that might not even be the actual deal....check realgm message boards

That's the deal they are reporting. It won't happen.

[f l u r p]

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (12.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 26.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Antonio Davis (7.7 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -4.6 ppg, +3.8 rpg, and -0.2 apg.

Toronto trades: PF Antonio Davis (7.7 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34.9 minutes)
Toronto receives: SF Antawn Jamison (12.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 12 games)
Change in team outlook: +4.6 ppg, -3.8 rpg, and +0.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

The other part of the trade is Delk for Eric Montross. Montross is retired, but the Raps didn't renounce his rights. Therefore, he can be traded. The numbers work. Also, Delk can't be included in a multi-player deal until mid-december due to his recently traded status. However, he can be dealt by himself.

Still, I don't like this trade, especially if Delk goes. Without Jamison, we need Delk to score off the bench. With both gone, we're counting on Eddie? to score as the sixth man.

[Simon2]

Originally posted by: f l u r p
Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (12.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 26.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Antonio Davis (7.7 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -4.6 ppg, +3.8 rpg, and -0.2 apg.

Toronto trades: PF Antonio Davis (7.7 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34.9 minutes)
Toronto receives: SF Antawn Jamison (12.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 12 games)
Change in team outlook: +4.6 ppg, -3.8 rpg, and +0.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

The other part of the trade is Delk for Eric Montross. Montross is retired, but the Raps didn't renounce his rights. Therefore, he can be traded. The numbers work. Also, Delk can't be included in a multi-player deal until mid-december due to his recently traded status. However, he can be dealt by himself.

Still, I don't like this trade, especially if Delk goes. Without Jamison, we need Delk to score off the bench. With both gone, we're counting on Eddie? to score as the sixth man.

No way Mavs do that.

[bogey]

I want the last two minutes of my life that I spent reading this worthless made up shit back.

[Rhylan]

Davis for Jamison is just a clear, clear downgrade. And you don't even gain much in the way of salary relief. Davis was resigned in the summer of 2001. Jamison was resigned in the fall of 2001, for a contract that began the next year. SO.. you've only got one year of savings there. Ain't happening.

[Tony tha Mavs fan]

I don't see why Dallas would do that trade, unless they get either a first round pick or vince carter in return. Don't get me wrong, i think Antonio Davis is a talented big man, but is he really worth Jamison AND Delk?

[Murphy3]

the only way they mavs make the trade is if they're absolutely sold on Walker as the SF and the Mavs think they are 20-25 minutes of pretty good interior defense away from winning the title (of course, that's added to what Bradley brings)..

do I think the deal will happen? No, but I do believe that if the Mavs are discussing a deal similar to this that they are at least on the right track...not saying that this is the right move..just that the thinking behind it is sound in theory.

that is, unless they don't believe that the current mix is the ticket to winning the title. Personally, I'm not sold on having 5 offensive weapons of this magnitude on the same team. However, I'm not convinced that it won't work either. More time is needed to draw any definitive conclusions IMO

[Evilmav2]

This isn't going to happen. Dallas always ends up being in the thick of trade talk whenever anything is about to go down, and this is probably because Donnie and Cuban always try to get involved with any ongoing trade talks around the league.

I am sure we have been sounding out the Bulls and the the Raptors, but I will be amazed if we have put anybody on the table but Tariq Abdul Wahad, Eduardo Najera, and cash or second rounders. The only way Walker or Jamison would be in the conversation (and neither can actually be traded until 60 have elapsed from the previous trades) would be if the Raptors were contemplating dealing Vince Carter...

[f l u r p]

Rhylan, it's two years and about 30 million dollars difference

Davis has 3 years left at like 37 mill
Jamison has 5 years and like 70 mill

Financially it's a smart move. Mavs have got to start getting things under control. Nash is up now. Dirk has 4 more years before he gets his player option. They're tied to Finley's monster contract for 5! more years.

Still, Im in the "no" category on this trade, but I recognize that it has some appeal.

I'm actually advocating for keeping Jamison and moving Walker. He has more value and absolutely no touch. Every time he gets the ball I hold my breath. I love his passing, but fires em up faster than a tennis ball cannon.

[Max Power]

I hope this trade doesn't happen. I can't understand why we would overpay so drastically for Davis.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: Max Power
I hope this trade doesn't happen. I can't understand why we would overpay so drastically for Davis.

MP I agree that giving up Jamison seems too expensive just to get Davis. Davis doesn't have that many playing years left either.

[Evilmav2]

If there is thing that Cuban and Donnie never, ever, ever, ever do, is make a deal where we give up an inordinantly high amount of talent to fill some percieved need on the team.

We didn't overpay for Brian Grant, or Dikembe Mutumbo, or Theo Ratliff, and we sure as heck aren't going to do it for Antonio Davis.

The only way either Twan or Toine are on the table, is if Vince Carter is also a part of the discussion.

[Murphy3]

Like I said, I don't think that this trade will by any means go through. However, what would be a reason why the Mavs would look to make a move with Jamison other than trying to bring in a low post defender?

[LRB]

BTW doesn't it seem funny how these rumors seem to surface on the weekend when we all know they can't be confirmed until Monday. Makes me think some dumb@$$ just pulled this out of his @$$ and started saying it alot. Say it enough times and the stupid media will pick it up and believe anything. This just looks like something that was created out of thin air like the Bonzi/Rasheed trade for Jamison/Fin.

[f l u r p]

>>> I can't understand why we would overpay so drastically for Davis. <<<

See Jamison
See Walker
See Finley
See TAW
See LaFrentz
See Eschmeyer
See Juwan Howard
See Fortson


Mavericks and Overpaid are two words that are far from strangers to one another.

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[LRB]

Originally posted by: f l u r p
>>> I can't understand why we would overpay so drastically for Davis. <<<

See Jamison
See Walker
See Finley
See TAW
See LaFrentz
See Eschmeyer
See Juwan Howard
See Fortson


Mavericks and Overpaid are two words that are far from strangers to one another.

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We're not talking about overpay in dollars, but in talent. Mavs have seriously upgraded in each trade in recent years. In Jamison for Davis the Mavs don't get equal value in talent. Plus Davis only has a few years left. Jamison is still relatively young. I think we can get as good a lowpost player as Davis for our MLE next year from Free Agency, why overpay in talent for that now when we can get it for free (in talent) next year?

[Murphy3]

Christian Laettner for Juwan Howard
.......Juwan Howard is a talentless slug
Just had to get a shot in for old times sake

[Fah Q]

i hate to see AD go...
he is the heart and soul of our team
he has played undersized for the last few years all for his team..
the guy is an all star he defends like a rock.. he has a nice soft touch
and can catch the ball really well..

i think dallas should throw in a pick with jamison and delk..

this is robbery though.. mavs need to throw in jamison and nash instead of delk

Thats fromDavis is a superstar, a scoring machine when he is into the game. I've seen this guy backdown Yao Ming last game without a problem. Antonio is built strong, kind of like a Ford.

Raptors fans on real GM.


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[u2sarajevo]

I am calling BS on this rumor. Even realgm is reporting that ESPN is reporting it, but cites a report and links to it, but the link is broken. I went to ESPN and looked at the wire reports, main NBA page, not a single mention of this.

This is crap.

We can all relax, Donnie, Don, and Mark didn't get high on crystal-meth and pull off a stupid trade.

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: LRB
This just looks like something that was created out of thin air like the Bonzi/Rasheed trade for Jamison/Fin.

Yep.

Althought >I'M< taking credit for the Finley to Chicago, Rose to Toronto, and Davis to Dallas rumour.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: Max Power

Yep.

Althought >I'M< taking credit for the Finley to Chicago, Rose to Toronto, and Davis to Dallas rumour.

MP try posting it on a few other boards and see if you can get it mentioned during tomorrow night's telecast. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[KingsFan4ever]

I was watching Kings-Magic game and Magic's announcers said it is about to happen..so seems legit...
The way I remember it
Bulls getting Mo Pete
Raptor getting Jalen, Delk, Jamison
Mavs getting Antonio Davis..