11-15-2008, 11:03 PM
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D-Hare lighting it up again!
On top of Devin's 30 point game against the Hawks a few nights ago, he just got another 30 point game against the Hawks today also with 10 assists. He keeps taking it to the rim and getting fouled. He was 13-14 from the free throw line. I can't believe the Mavs gave up on such a promising talent. Not only that but this years #1 which is so far looking to be a high pick! Rod Thorn >>>>>>>>> Donnie
D.Harris | G | 37:00 | 9-15 | 2-3 | 13-14 | +6| 0| 3 | 3 | 10 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 33
Seriously, how much cap room will the Mavs actually have when Kidd is off the books???
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11-15-2008, 11:17 PM
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Getting to the Line
A huge reason the Mavs suck: They can't get to the Free Throw Line! I simply can't believe we gave up Devin Harris for Kidd! The Mavs are pathetic this year in regard to getting to the charity stripe, something Devin seems more adept at this year than the whole of the present Mavs roster. The Mavs' only offense--jump shots. You can't win like that. I am so disgusted with Donnie and Cuban for dismantling what the Mavs had. They have ruined the Mavs for years to come! Kidd for Harris was a bad trade straight up, not to mention the draft picks and the cash. Idiots......Arghhhhhhh!!!!!
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11-17-2008, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by buddha08
A huge reason the Mavs suck: They can't get to the Free Throw Line! I simply can't believe we gave up Devin Harris for Kidd! The Mavs are pathetic this year in regard to getting to the charity stripe, something Devin seems more adept at this year than the whole of the present Mavs roster. The Mavs' only offense--jump shots. You can't win like that. I am so disgusted with Donnie and Cuban for dismantling what the Mavs had. They have ruined the Mavs for years to come! Kidd for Harris was a bad trade straight up, not to mention the draft picks and the cash. Idiots......Arghhhhhhh!!!!!
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I felt the same way. I knew it was going to be a bust. I can't believe they made that trade. What were they thinking? Sad days as a Mav fan.
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11-15-2008, 11:37 PM
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We're already discussing this in the 2008-2009 NBA thread.
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11-16-2008, 05:35 AM
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Kidd, then Nash, now Harris. There's like a PG curse with this organization.
Yet for some reason, we can't get rid of JJ Barea???
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11-16-2008, 05:46 AM
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Kidd, then Nash, now Harris. There's like a PG curse with this organization.
Yet for some reason, we can't get rid of JJ Barea???
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LOL major rep.
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11-16-2008, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Burn this City
Kidd, then Nash, now Harris. There's like a PG curse with this organization.
Yet for some reason, we can't get rid of JJ Barea???
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you say there is a PG curse I wouldn't call it a curse I'd call your Owner and GM not to good at making a team
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11-16-2008, 11:45 AM
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how badly could the mavs team use a guy like devin harris?
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"Confidence does amazing things," Harris said as he tried to explain his sudden scoring surge.
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11-16-2008, 04:09 PM
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attention all Devin fans (and basketballgirl25)
step 1: go to google
step 2: search for "new jersey nets forum"
step 3: stay there
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11-16-2008, 11:48 PM
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attention all Devin fans (and basketballgirl25)
step 1: go to google
step 2: search for "new jersey nets forum"
step 3: stay there
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Seriously dude Chum's been carrying the Nash torch for four years, the Devin crowd can't carry it for a month?
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11-17-2008, 12:20 AM
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Seriously dude Chum's been carrying the Nash torch for four years, the Devin crowd can't carry it for a month?
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Chum at least has two MVPs backing him up (eventhough I don't really think Nash deserved those). The Devin crowd has what, three games?
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11-17-2008, 12:40 AM
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Chum at least has two MVPs backing him up (eventhough I don't really think Nash deserved those). The Devin crowd has what, three games?
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that's true.. but either way I was one of those asking for chum to let THAT go, back when he mentioned it all the time.
and the devin trade happened awhile ago. he's had some awwwwwwwful games since then and a few good ones. I don't think it deserves it's own thread at this point.
edit: +pretend rep for the cat pic though
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11-16-2008, 06:33 PM
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This just makes me angry. Up until his ankle injury, I thought Devin was one of the only bright spots last year (the other being Bass.) And so what do we do? We trade him for a guy a decade older with half his speed. I remember saying last year that Devin had surpassed Josh as our second-best player. I still believe that.
What was the logic behind trading for Kidd again? "Win now." Wasn't that it? What a crock of sh*t that was.
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11-22-2008, 08:06 PM
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This just makes me angry. Up until his ankle injury, I thought Devin was one of the only bright spots last year (the other being Bass.) And so what do we do? We trade him for a guy a decade older with half his speed. I remember saying last year that Devin had surpassed Josh as our second-best player. I still believe that.
What was the logic behind trading for Kidd again? "Win now." Wasn't that it? What a crock of sh*t that was.
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+100 to you my kind sir
THANK YOU! you said it absolutely perfectly. even if Kidd is surprisingly playing better than an 82-year old with a broken back and a walker, there is NO doubt that Harris would be a million times better for us right now. we took many steps back with that trade, and i will always regret it.
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11-16-2008, 07:23 PM
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D-Hare is a terrible nickname.
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11-16-2008, 07:28 PM
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D-Hare is a terrible nickname.
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Is it really any worse than J-ho?
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11-16-2008, 08:16 PM
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D-Hare is a terrible nickname.
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I think you're burrying the lead.
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11-16-2008, 10:18 PM
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How foolish do the people who wanted Kidd here feel now? Or are they still hiding under the long shot hope that this team might actually turn it around and win us a ring?
I was given a lot of b.s trash talk from so many people when I was bashing this trade when it happened. I take solace in my vindication. Thank you Devin.
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11-17-2008, 09:16 PM
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How foolish do the people who wanted Kidd here feel now? Or are they still hiding under the long shot hope that this team might actually turn it around and win us a ring?
I was given a lot of b.s trash talk from so many people when I was bashing this trade when it happened. I take solace in my vindication. Thank you Devin.
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Umm yee great for Devin...but Kidd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Devin. The trade was still a good one and mann, watching Kidd out there is just soo much better then watching Harris..even when we lose.
GO MAVS
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11-17-2008, 09:31 PM
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Umm yee great for Devin...but Kidd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Devin. The trade was still a good one and mann, watching Kidd out there is just soo much better then watching Harris..even when we lose.
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When Kidd's retired and a analyst for ESPN Harris won't even be 30.......
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11-17-2008, 09:54 PM
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When Kidd's retired and a analyst for ESPN Harris won't even be 30.......
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could and prob is ture
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11-17-2008, 10:05 PM
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When Kidd's retired and a analyst for ESPN Harris won't even be 30.......
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and Kidd will probably still be a better pg...
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11-17-2008, 10:07 PM
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and Kidd will probably still be a better pg...
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+rep
(I bet Harris is washed up before 30...)
EDIT: don't get me wrong - I love Harris, but the human body can only take so many charges (and flopping) at the NBA level...
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11-17-2008, 10:24 PM
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and Kidd will probably still be a better pg...
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I don't think when Harris is 30 Kidd will be better I mean Kidd will be like what 41 or so. he could be like Armstrong was last year, but I don't think much more then that. Harris will never be as great as Kidd saying will be better then is kind of pushing it.
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11-17-2008, 11:03 PM
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and Kidd will probably still be a better pg...
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Yea it does a lot of good for the Mavs to have Kidd as an analyst while Harris is tearing it up in New Jersey......
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11-17-2008, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by AxdemxO
Umm yee great for Devin...but Kidd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Devin. The trade was still a good one and mann, watching Kidd out there is just soo much better then watching Harris..even when we lose.
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To each his own. Personally, I prefer point guards who can break a defense to guys who can't.
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11-17-2008, 10:09 PM
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To each his own. Personally, I prefer point guards who can break a defense to guys who can't.
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Devin would have probably become more important this year or next year ..but to say that he was more important the last four years then JET to this teams success is crazy.
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11-17-2008, 10:26 PM
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Devin would have probably become more important this year or next year ..but to say that he was more important the last four years then JET to this teams success is crazy.
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Not the last four years, of course not. But last year, definitely. Devin had a sort of break out year. I didn't get to watch any preseason games last year, and I remember being skeptical when people were telling me how much he had improved since the Golden State loss. But he definitely did improve dramatically. From 05 to 07, yeah, Terry was of course the more important player. But last year Devin really came into his own as a player, and yes, I daresay as a point guard.
Favoring the trade, or preferring Kidd to Harris is one thing. But it is absolutely ridiculous the way some posters around here are just taking a shit on the guy for no reason.
You can argue that Kidd is a better player these days, but that is it. To act like Kidd is still an MVP level guy and light years beyond a player like Devin is absurd. I know it's early in the season, but Devin is putting up 23 ppg on .450 FG%. I would KILL to have those numbers in our starting lineup.
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11-16-2008, 10:53 PM
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I kind of feel bad for all the Mav fans that hated the Kidd trade, it needed to be done but still
I love the trade I think Carter and Harris play well together, better then Carter and Kidd ever did
and I love what Carter said
"He believes he can make baskets. He believes he can make plays," Carter said. "He's growing into one hell of a point guard."
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/200...ng_surpri.html
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11-17-2008, 12:33 AM
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Three games plus the 251 he played for the Mavs.
But yea, he's no Steven Nash so we probably won't be talking about him four years from now. At this point the wounds are still fresh and every time he drops 30 it's like the knife is being turned a little more so it's only natural to track his progress in the short term.
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11-17-2008, 12:56 AM
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Three games plus the 251 he played for the Mavs.
But yea, he's no Steven Nash so we probably won't be talking about him four years from now. At this point the wounds are still fresh and every time he drops 30 it's like the knife is being turned a little more so it's only natural to track his progress in the short term.
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You follow basketball at all levels, so I know you know. You know that Harris is not really a point guard, but is an undersized off guard. You know that Deron Williams would run circles around him at the one, as long as you wanted to keep the game going.
And you also know that Steve Nash would run circles around Deron Williams. I'm pretty sure that you know who the players are, who they have been, and who they can be. It's a good little run that Harris is presently on, but your scout's eye knows the real deal.
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11-17-2008, 01:19 AM
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You follow basketball at all levels, so I know you know. You know that Harris is not really a point guard, but is an undersized off guard. You know that Deron Williams would run circles around him at the one, as long as you wanted to keep the game going.
And you also know that Steve Nash would run circles around Deron Williams. I'm pretty sure that you know who the players are, who they have been, and who they can be. It's a good little run that Harris is presently on, but your scout's eye knows the real deal.
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No, he's not a natural pass first point guard. He didn't start running the point at Wisconsin until his junior year so he still has a ways to go. But i've said before that I don't see much evidence that you need an elite passer to win in the NBA.
There's only one Deron Williams and Devin will likely never be on his level but here's an important point to keep in mind: The (for lack of a better term) "contribution to the whole" gap between Devin and Deron was much smaller than the talent gap. Nobody else on this team is capable of doing what Devin did so he was more important than he probably should have been.
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No, he's not a natural pass first point guard. He didn't start running the point at Wisconsin until his junior year so he still has a ways to go. But i've said before that I don't see much evidence that you need an elite passer to win in the NBA.
There's only one Deron Williams and Devin will likely never be on his level but here's an important point to keep in mind: The (for lack of a better term) "contribution to the whole" gap between Devin and Deron was much smaller than the talent gap. Nobody else on this team is capable of doing what Devin did so he was more important than he probably should have been.
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Well, somebody does have to run the point. If the Mavs get anywhere, it will be because Kidd can run the point. You watched the Cowboys with Johnson, and tonight with Romo. You've gotta have a quarterback.
If the best thing your point guard is offiering is that he can do some work as an off guard, you have no quarterback.
Harris is playing like an off guard, and you know that.
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11-17-2008, 02:46 AM
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Well, somebody does have to run the point. If the Mavs get anywhere, it will be because Kidd can run the point. You watched the Cowboys with Johnson, and tonight with Romo. You've gotta have a quarterback.
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Doesn't seem to hurt the Spurs any. Tony Parker is no quarterback. He and Harris really have about the same skill set, except Harrs is better defensively and he's a better 3 point shooter.
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11-17-2008, 01:06 AM
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I'm not sure about this point on Stevie running circles around Deron. If you want to make the case about the last few years, I'm not going to argue with you. But I get the feeling once Deron gets healthy, there will be a changing of the guard in the West, so to speak.
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11-17-2008, 01:18 AM
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If Deron reaches that level, good on him. Harris never will.
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11-17-2008, 01:20 AM
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Thought this was a typo thread for DeMarcus.
What a joke.
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11-17-2008, 02:08 AM
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Quarterback isn't half as important in basketball as it is in football.
I love nothing more than watching a PG that knows how to run a team but the way the NBA is set you you don't need one. You need great players. Position is secondary.
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Point guards can potentially have the power to influence everyone around them and make their team better, but it's like dirno2000 said, position is secondary, you need good players. Look at Chris Paul and some of the key members of the Hornets, like James Posey, Peja, David West, etc. Those guys are effective without Chris Paul, to an extent, but with Chris Paul, the offense he creates makes that team deadly.
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I heard Nets are considering looking into drafting another point guard in 2009 because they don't think Harris is a ture point, but the article I read also said the Nets think they can move him to a position where he is still great for the team, it's all a rumor at this point, but if the Nets are smart I know they will use Devin a smart way.
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