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Old 07-26-2008, 10:56 PM   #121
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McCain's New Attack Ad

In the new attack ad by the McCain campaign, the footage they use of Obama in the gym (claiming he didn't visit the troops) is actually the video of Obama visiting the troops in Kuwait. They blur out the troops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49hC9TpP_rY&eurl



Prove Obama won't visit the troops by showing video...

... of Obama visiting the troops.

Another Epic Fail for the McCain team.

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Actually you fail. He did cancel his visit with the "wounded troops" as it states in the ad.
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Here you go ace....

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BERLIN - Sen. Barack Obama scrapped plans to visit wounded members of the armed forces in Germany as part of his overseas trip, a decision his campaign said was made because the Democratic presidential candidate thought it would be inappropriate on a campaign-funded journey.

A campaign adviser said the U.S. military saw the visit as a campaign stop.

"We learned from the Pentagon last night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event," the adviser, retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Scott Gration, said in a statement. "Senator Obama did not want to have a trip to see our wounded warriors perveived as a campaign event when his visit was to show his appreciation for our troops and decided instead not to go."

Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign immediately criticized the move.

"Barack Obama is wrong. It is never inappropriate to visit our men and women in the military," said Brian Rogers, a spokesman for the Republican contender.

Obama's decision raised a number of questions because the visit, which had been scheduled for Friday, never appeared on the schedule of events distributed to reporters who are accompanying him on his travels.

The first word from the campaign about its existence was a statement from Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs.

Obama had been planning to go to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany before a flight to Paris. Gibbs said the stop was canceled because Obama decided "it would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign."
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Someone has to tell the truth about the great hype, the media sure won't.
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Actually you fail. He did cancel his visit with the "wounded troops" as it states in the ad.
No sir, I continue to win. Evidence below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyXt2RsNShI&eurl

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Old 07-27-2008, 12:47 AM   #126
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Oh..... so he DID visit the wounded troops?
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Oh..... so he DID visit the wounded troops?
He tried, but was told not to by the Pentagon.
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He was told he couldn't bring along his campaign paraphanalia. So no votes, no giva' crapola.
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McCain is grasping for straws and some have said he is going to have to grasp, attack, and do things he normally wouldn't try, just to shake things up.

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July 27 Gallup Obama (D) 49%, McCain (R) 40%

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July 27 Rasmussen Obama (D) 49%, McCain (R) 44%

Here is a good friend of John McCain's and Obama's. Listen to what he said on the McCain blunder.

Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) criticized John McCain's latest ad against Barack Obama, which accuses Obama of not caring about the troops. "I think John is treading on some very thin ground here when he impugns motives and when we start to get into, 'You're less patriotic than me. I'm more patriotic,'" Hagel said on CBS' Face the Nation this morning.

Here is another flip flop by Ole John....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...v=rss_politics

Industry Gushed Money After Reversal on Drilling

Campaign contributions from oil industry executives to Sen. John McCain rose dramatically in the last half of June, after the senator from Arizona made a high-profile split with environmentalists and reversed his opposition to the federal ban on offshore drilling.

Oil and gas industry executives and employees donated $1.1 million to McCain last month -- three-quarters of which came after his June 16 speech calling for an end to the ban -- compared with $116,000 in March, $283,000 in April and $208,000 in May.

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Here is a good read on fair and balanced...

McClellan: Fox News Commentators Use The ‘Talking Points’ That The White House Sends Them

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He was told he couldn't bring along his campaign paraphanalia. So no votes, no giva' crapola.
Which was made up made up by the right wingers. In Iraq, Obama visited wounded troops without the media. They wouldn't let him do it in Germany since he was not with the Senators., like he was in Iraq.

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It saddens me that wounded United States soldiers are being used as pawns in a game.
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It saddens me that wounded United States soldiers are being used as pawns in a game.
Didn't they get wounded being pawns in the first place???


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Which was made up made up by the right wingers. In Iraq, Obama visited wounded troops without the media. They wouldn't let him do it in Germany since he was not with the Senators., like he was in Iraq.
Nah...he could'nt bring his campaign staff, that's why he coldn't.

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“If I had been told by the Pentagon that I couldn’t visit those troops, and I was there and wanted to be there, I guarantee you, there would have been a seismic event,” McCain told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos in an interview to air Sunday on “This Week”…

McCain questioned his rival’s justification: “I know of no Pentagon regulation that would have prevented him from going there — without the media and the press and all of the associated people. Nothing that I know of would have kept him from visiting those wounded troops.”

“All of the associated people” meaning Ret. Gen. Gration, specifically. Obama still has yet to explain why he didn’t just leave him behind.
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That is why McCain can't get anywhere because in the end the final answer is what Obama stresses, we shouldn't have went to Iraq in the first place.

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According to Karl Rove's new electoral map, Obama is leading McCain, 272-183 -- with 83 electoral votes in the toss-up category.

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Note that the map is as of July 23, so it doesn't take into account the recent Quinnipiac polling in Colorado, Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. But per this map -- right now -- Obama could lose every toss-up state (Ohio, New Hampshire, Florida, Nevada) and still win the presidential election.
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That is why McCain can't get anywhere because in the end the final answer is what Obama stresses, we shouldn't have went to Iraq in the first place.
It's true, that's what he believes. He was the anti-war candidate as many have said many times. But when the rubber hit the road he was more than willing to run away and let our iraqi allies be butchered. Very presidential, for a democrat.
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Rove is pretty close here and the states pretty much even out, if he misses one and then another makes up for it but here is not what Rove is showing you.

Montana is not blue by any means. MT is more red than blue and it is close now. A toss up and he has it painted blue. Obama is only down like 4 or 5% points in TX and he has it painted red. That would be mind blowing if Obama took TX but as it stands now he is on McCain's heels here. Let's not forget the dems that have moved in TX in the last two years and the fact that latino's are going for Obama at around a 65% clip right now. CO should not be painted bue as that state is a tie now. In NC, SC, GA and MS he has painted red and it is a very good chance these stay red but Obama has these in play by around 9% he is down. MI is in play for McCain and with Romney, it is big time in play. IA is not a lock for the dems. IN is very very close now and isn't a lock for the reps as he has it now but overall i will say Rove is pretty close.

Right now, Obama is out raising McCain in FL, money wise and just think if Obama happen to pull off OH or FL and now it is tied in both.

In the end, Obama and the dems are positioned good. Obama needs to get out all this next week and get on the economy. Something only Romney can speak about on the reps side.
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McCain's New Attack Ad

In the new attack ad by the McCain campaign, the footage they use of Obama in the gym (claiming he didn't visit the troops) is actually the video of Obama visiting the troops in Kuwait. They blur out the troops.
In which you muddy up the actual truth by stating that McCain said Obama didn't visit troops. Which that was not what he said at all. You even provided proof for me:Then you post a picture and your blind side of the argument.
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Prove Obama won't visit the troops by showing video...

... of Obama visiting the troops.

Another Epic Fail for the McCain team.

I'm out.
Then when I counter, you try to turn the point into a "it wasn't is his fault" argument. Whether it was his fault or not, I was rebutting your original argument. And again I say that in that ORIGINAL argument it was not McCain that was a failure.
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Nah...he could'nt bring his campaign staff, that's why he coldn't.
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You do realize that is McCain right? My source is from the news media (best we have). Not a rival candidate.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/109099/Ga...ead-48-41.aspx

July 26, 2008

Gallup Daily: Obama Retains Lead, 48% to 41%Second day with Obama holding a significant lead over McCain


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

Saturday, July 26, 2008

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that the bounce is continuing for Barack Obama. The presumptive Democratic nominee attracts 46% of the vote while John McCain earns 40%. When "leaners" are included, it’s Obama 49% and McCain 43%. Just four days ago, the candidates were tied at 46% (with leaners). Obama is viewed favorably by 57% of voters, McCain by 55%.
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McCain is grasping for straws and some have said he is going to have to grasp, attack, and do things he normally wouldn't try, just to shake things up.

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Pres '08
July 27 Rasmussen Obama (D) 49%, McCain (R) 44%
Pick your day, pick your poll... things change too much for polls to really mean anything.

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/Oba...mo_code=66C3-1
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The USA Today/Gallup poll has McCain leading Obama by four points, 49 percent to Obama's 45 percent, among likely voters.


Just last month, the same poll had McCain trailing by six points to the neophyte U.S. senator.
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and Rasmussen has Obama by 3, and the latest USA Today/Gallup poll has McCain up by 4 for the same dates as the Gallup poll that had Obama up by 8. Likely voters v. registered voters, today v. yesterday, etc. The polls aren't a perfect indicator of what will happen at election time, but I'd bet big that Obama wanted a bigger bump in those polls than he got, and that the McCain camp is pretty happy with them, considering the press coverage of the world tour.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama-225.html

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Very, very bad news for the reps here. Dems are going to pick up senate seats but the reps think they can hold off where dems won't get the overwhelming majority locked up vote in the senate. Remember Alaska is as red as you can get with Kansas being very rep and Tx has been pretty much but Tx looks as if it is getting alot bluer these days. Reps was hoping to hold off the dems in Alaska when it is very few dems in all of the state but this hurts and could push a dem over the top in a bright red state...

Ted Stevens Indictment Virtually Guarantees Dem Senate Pickup In Deep-Red Alaska

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Huge, huge news out of Alaska: In a major development that all but ensures that Dems will make a major Senate seat pickup in a state that hasn't elected a Dem to Congress since 1974, incumbent GOP Senator Ted Stevens has just been indicted.

Stevens, who was indicted on seven counts of public corruption, was already trailing his Democratic opponent Mark Begich, the mayor of Anchorage, by a decent margin in the polls. Begich's campaign has been founded on a commitment to public ethics, and this indictment will now give him even more ammunition.

The wild card here, of course, is whether Stevens steps aside and lets a stronger Republican take his place from the big GOP bench in this deep-red state, perhaps via a write-in bid for the upcoming primary. On the other hand, he might just be stubborn enough to stick around. Even if Stevens were to drop out, Begich is a strong candidate and would have a very good shot at winning.

In short, what was already a bad map for the Senate GOP just got a whole lot worse.

Late Update: It's worth pointing out that Stevens already had several primary challengers, and any one of them could end up being the new nominee. But none of them are big names, and Begich would start out as the favorite in a general election.

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Pres '08 July 29 Gallup Obama (D) 47%, McCain (R) 41%

PA-Pres July 29 Str. Vision (R) Obama (D) 49%, McCain (R) 40%

WA-Pres July 29 Str. Vision (R) Obama (D) 48%, McCain (R) 37%

NC-Pres July 29 PPP (D) McCain (R) 47%, Obama (D) 44%(Let's remember this state is a red state and has already been projected and painted red. No matter if this state is 10% or 3%, this state is in play. Does Kaine have enough pull to lock up not only VA but NC and SC? VA is huge but also i feel NC and SC are in play here. McCain is not a lock in th Carolina's.

Pres '08 July 29 Rasmussen Obama (D) 47%.

More news, Evangelicals Warn Against Romney For VP. This is one of two best picks for McSame but now look what is happening, do not pick Romney because we don't like it, (Evangelicals). Why? He is mormon. Just more probs in the gop.

McCain backs off his no-new-tax pledge

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Republican presidential candidate John McCain's signal that he may be open to a higher payroll tax for Social Security, despite previous vows not to raise taxes of any kind, is drawing sharp rebukes from conservatives.

McCain's shift has come in stages, catching some Republicans by surprise. Speaking with reporters on his campaign bus on July 9, he cited a need to shore up Social Security. "I cannot tell you what I would do, except to put everything on the table," he said.
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What is funny about this? Can we say more flip flops in a week than most have in a year. Remember these words(Conservatives, No Taxes). Poor ole John, he must remember what to say and what not to say. In all honesty here, McCain needs to hire someone like a lawyer to say you will have to ask my lawyer because i have been advised to not answer that or the gop needs to get a man like Romney as vp and let him go around and speak as John takes a nap for a month or so.
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US deficit zooming to half-trillion as Bush leaves

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Do you think this adm cares one bit about the deficit? No way, that won't be there baby anymore as they relax and party in Crawford. Let McCain or Obama suffer with the deficit because what do they care? Now is that faith and values? Is that morals? This adm has lived on a credit card with big gov spending like never before. Is this what a republican stands for? I know dems and reps that don't stand for it and their names are Newt, Dole, Clinton and Gore. 4 fine men but i forgot, the reps decided to not follow guys like Lugar, Newt, Dole, Warner, Hagel anymore. Guys like Stevens, Bush, Cheney, Ramsfield, Rove, and McConnel seem to have the new reps vision.
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If you Google "The bridge to nowhere" you will find over 50,000 hits, all of them describing Ted Stevens' pet project of spending $320 million of the taxpayers money to build a bridge from Revillagigedo Island (pop. 13,950 including Ketchikan) to its airport, to spare its residents a $5 ferry ride. Outside of Alaska he is the poster boy for pork barrel legislation gone berserk, but within the state he is seen as the guy who is trying to bring home the bacon. Stevens has served longer in the Senate than any Republican ever, which is good, but will be 91 at the end of his next term, which is bad for such a young state. In July 2007, the FBI and IRS raided his home as part of a corruption probe. This event launched a small war between Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), chairman of the DCCC and Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), chairman of the DSCC. Both of them wanted Anchorage mayor Mark Begich to run for Congress, only Schumer wanted him to challenge the badly weakened Stevens and Van Hollen wanted him to run for the House against Rep. Don Young (R-AK), who is also under investigation for corruption. Schumer won. Begich is running for the Senate. The battle here will be like the national one: change vs. experience.
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GuerillaBlack, I noticed you haven't posted the latest Gallup Poll...



What happened to that big boost from the rock star's world tour? As I said before, the polls mean nothing.
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You're right that the polls mean nothing, at least as far as this election goes. For one thing, the #1 reason Obama was able to defeat Hillary was that he was able to get new voters registered. I imagine that there are a whole lot of people still unregistered who will yet register and cast votes for Obama in this election. The views of those people are not included in polls like these.

There is also the issue, as I understand it, of how these polls are executed when it comes to telephone numbers. I understand that those without a land line are not included in the polls. Older people are more likely to have a land line than younger people are, and there are other distinctions that can be drawn as well.

Bottom line is that Obama support seems to be underrepresented in polls.

My opinion is that if you don't get the sense that Obama is starting to run away from McCain like McCain is tied to a post, then your political senses are not at all well tuned.
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I don't have a land line.

Can I call them?
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Funny line from Lindsey Graham..

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Well, one thing's for sure. If you embark upon a world tour, and you decide to make a campaign speech in a foreign country in front of 200,000 Germans, and you act like you're already president, people may notice.

And that's what this is about: that he chose to go to Germany and do something I've never known a candidate to do before. You know, he orchestrated the press conference with the French president. He said something, yesterday, basically, that he embodies everything good about America. Well, you know, it's good to have self-confidence. But you can, maybe, go too far.

The whole ad is about the idea of fame without portfolio. Paris Hilton is famous for being famous. She draws a crowd for no apparent reason. Well, I think he has, you know--in Senator Obama's case, is the effort to be commander in chief and the leader of the free world about portfolio?

He is a celebrity, no question about it. Somebody asked me about Germany. I said,
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But this is a hysteria around a personality that's attractive, but when you look under the hood, there's not a whole lot there. So fame without portfolio is, sort of, fashionable. But leadership without experience is dangerous.
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Geez, that would REALLY screw the methodology.
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I think you are whistling past the grave chum. Are you saying he was under-represented when he was up 9? Doubt it. The polls are closing because of the attack ads McCain is putting out there and he's scoring. The oil prices aren't helping him either.

You go look at the internals and he's not polling well with older women for example and McCain is picking up some democrats.

I believe that the gallup daily tracking poll is registered voters who are not as likely to vote anyway.
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That's why it's called advertising. You want to "help" them look under the hood.
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GuerillaBlack, I noticed you haven't posted the latest Gallup Poll...



What happened to that big boost from the rock star's world tour? As I said before, the polls mean nothing.
This is my first time seeing the latest GallupPoll.
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You're right that the polls mean nothing, at least as far as this election goes. For one thing, the #1 reason Obama was able to defeat Hillary was that he was able to get new voters registered. I imagine that there are a whole lot of people still unregistered who will yet register and cast votes for Obama in this election. The views of those people are not included in polls like these.

There is also the issue, as I understand it, of how these polls are executed when it comes to telephone numbers. I understand that those without a land line are not included in the polls. Older people are more likely to have a land line than younger people are, and there are other distinctions that can be drawn as well.

Bottom line is that Obama support seems to be underrepresented in polls.

My opinion is that if you don't get the sense that Obama is starting to run away from McCain like McCain is tied to a post, then your political senses are not at all well tuned.
The gallup is taken with landlines and cell phones.
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The whole ad is about the idea of fame without portfolio. Paris Hilton is famous for being famous.
It's fine for a voter to hold this view. It suggests that the voter is reasonable and logical and is able to resist certain temptations.

But for a candidate to hold this view? That's a surefire recipe for failure.

If you are going up against a guy who is famous for being famous, you aren't gonna win by being "right" on the issues. That's not how elections work. This is why McCain is going to lose very badly if things don't change in his camp. Rather than whining about how famous Obama is, what he needs to do it get famous too.

Paris Hilton doesn't need a portfolio to be the figure she is. And a candidate in a popular vote doesn't need a portfolio, either, if they have that sort of fame. It's called name recognition, and it's among the barest of fundamentals in politics.

It just blows me away that the best the McCain camp can do in the wake of Obama's speech to 200 freaking THOUSAND Germans is to say: "Well, they can't vote. HA! Joke's on you!" Gimme a break. The whole world was watching Obama, while McCain was standing in the aisle in a grocery store.

Honestly, this is not complicated stuff.
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Are you saying he was under-represented when he was up 9? Doubt it.
Yeah, I do think that. It's not uncommon for polls at this time of the year to have a candidate up as much as 20. But the final numbers rarely look like that.

I think Obama is going to win by about 10 when it's said and done. That could go as low as 5, but no lower unless McCain changes tactics dramatically.

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You go look at the internals and he's not polling well with older women for example and McCain is picking up some democrats.
The thing with the older women is a carryover from his battle with Hillary. Given more time and distance from that race--and especially if Hillary campaigns for him well--this will go away.
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Chum is right...the McCain machine is pretty sad on the whole. Don't they realize that common sense isn't going to play into this one at all?

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This is why McCain is going to have probs in the end. He started in politics by being his own man and he thought with his own brain. He would piss some reps off because he would work with dems and reps. Like a Liberman.

Then he got into it with Bush/Cheney adm and at every corner it was a battle between them. As a little time went by and it was talk of him being ousted out or him leaving the gop, he caved in. This was never the maverick people knew. This was why people liked him because he would stand up for what he believed in and used his own brain, no matter what any rep, dem or independent thought.

When he caved in and joined Bush/Cheney, then he didn't use his brain, his voice and he was now a robot. The problem he had never been a robot or people had never spoke for him or told him what to say. His time was about 8 to 12 years ago when he could have been at his best. Not now. He even disputes himself at times and argues with himself at times now. Go over and watch some Fox News sometime and watch Rove and what Rove says he should say, then the next day, he is trying to read what they told him to say. Yes, i am saying they because now people are trying to program him on what to say and he reads it. He use to not be this way.

Getting the nominee, he wanted to be an independent, after he got the nominee, now they tell him, read these conservative things and try to make conservatives like you. It is going on all in the gop and not many agree on the same things. It was mentioned Romney for his vp, oh noooooooooooooooooo the preachers will tell the flock ooooops, MORMON, don't do it John. Ok, i will then get Tim what's his name up in MN or Wisc as he is a good young up and comer, then alot of the gop says nooooooooooooooooooooooo, he has worked with dems before and has got things done with reps and dems, don't pick him John or we will be mad.

So by him changing and caving into Bush/Cheney and this adm, he has lost all he had stood for. He flip flops each and every week. He use to not do that when he used his own brain and people did not tell him what to say. Every speech, every move he makes, someone in the gop says oh no John, don't say that or say this and it makes McCain look like a fool talking. They are doing him the same way on his vp. Now they are trying to make him go out and make people see and think, hmmm is that a black man in the race? Trying to make Obama out as a Hilton or Brittney is just stupid. Obama is no bimbo and you don't see him reading everything he says from a paper that is scripted. He speaks. He uses his own brain. Paris Hilton's family was pouring money into McCain but i wonder if they keep on? Who knows, maybe they think those comments will make their daughter more famous and be pleased.

When they made McCain cave in or get out and now the gop base is not one base. It is split from a Romney conservative but oh no he is Mormon, to the middle of the road Liberman or Tim Palenty, and then the neoconservatives. Neocons want to do business outside the usa, run up huge defecits, and oil is our answer. McCain has to many people he is having to try to listen to. To many people writting his speeches. It is confusing enough but at his age, and thinking, who am i suppose to please today and what speech am i suppose to read, it isn't easy on him.

He couldn't over take Obama and he was told to go negative and attack and in the end, i don't feel this will work. Like Obama said, McCain stays busy talking about Obama but why can't McCain tell the people about McCain and things he stands for. In the end if the gop would have ran a conservative like Romney, he would have stayed on cue, talked like a conservative and would have gotten beat or won as a conservative. McCain is, what does everyone want this week, i will be that flavor, just tell me what to say and even if it is a flip flop from the week before.

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A new CNN national poll puts Barack Obama ahead of John McCain 51% to 44%

Nebraska 32% Obama 50% McCain Jul 28 Rasmussen. This state will stay red and McCain has this one. No chance for the dems here.

Mississippi 41% Obama 52% McCain Jul 28 Rasmussen. This state isn't over and this is a pretty good lead here for McCain and looks over but if Obama turns out the vote in this state, it can swing blue. No, it doesn;t look good now and odds are with McCain but this will be a state to actually watch the week and day of the votting, to see if it is a huge huge turn out and if it is, Obama has a shot here.

FLORIDA (Quinnipiac Univ.): Obama - 46%, McCain - 44%. This is one that would really hurt McCain. Remember, Obama has the reps having to pour money into to many states. usually certain red states are always red but Obama has the reps having to go pour money into places like IN, TX, MT, AK, SD, NC, SC, VA and even McCain's home state of AZ. This is why it will be hard on the gop to pour money into all these states like they should. Obama is going to get the latino vote in FL. Many NY'ers live in FL and vote in FL. Many senior citizens also. Many women. This state is where Hillary really helps but McCain will try to break thru to women and seniors here. Very tight and good race again in FL.

IDAHO (Research 2000): McCain - 53%, Obama - 37%. Red state and will be red this time.


KENTUCKY (Rasmussen): McCain - 52%, Obama - 43%. McCain should win KY, unless again Obama get's Hillary. Not sure if Hillary as vp could turn it blue and i doubt it but Hillary led McCain here when she was in the race and aso KY voted for Bill both times, i think. In the end, McCain should turn this red.

MONTANA (Rasmussen): McCain - 47%, Obama - 47%. I am very surprised by this but again this is a red state that could turn blue. Very close.

OHIO (Quinnipiac Univ.): Obama - 46%, McCain - 44%. Like FL, a huge swing state and again with Hillary, i feel he wins here. Bayh would be another good choice for IN and OH. I feel Romney would be here for McCain but remember what i have said, oh no many do not want Romney because he is mormon and the other half says we want a conservative, Romney. McCain is in a pickle trying to please a base, that is no longer a base. It is split all over the place and you can thank Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield for this. This is a huge swing state.

PENNSYLVANIA (Quinnipiac Univ.): Obama - 49%, McCain - 42%. Mccain is doing pretty good here and a blue state. He is within striking distance but in the end i see Obama winning here and again with Hillary, McCain has no shot at this state. I know i am mentioning Hillary alot and yes it could cost him votes in some places also with her but in OH, PA and FL and maybe even Ark, KY and NH, she helps. This would be a huge win for McCain here and put pressure on the dems.

TEXAS (Rasmussen): McCain - 52%, Obama - 44%. This one is hard to believe that Obama is within 8 of a big red state. It must be alot of dems moving into Tx. I figure this stays red and it has to for McCain to have any kind of shot.

You can see, McCain has closed the gap in some places but it is just to close for McCain in Tx, FL and OH. This is where Obama has himself set up good.
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Good points, Janett. The biggest disappointment of all in this campaign is the lack of gumption McCain has shown. He's so willing to change his principles from day to day, as the wind blows, that one wonders what principles he even started from. If any.

It's almost sad to watch a man unravel so.
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