Now what?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Betting odds has us getting Bamba and Oladipo. So glad we can bet on this lol.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Betting odds has us getting Bamba and Oladipo. So glad we can bet on this lol.

With only one-6.5million dollar contract to offer, Mavs are leading the odds in Vegas to sign:

Bamba
Oladipo
GP2

I'd be happy with just one of those three, but no way we get all three unless Nico really is magic.

[tap2390]

I'm firmly in the 'paying JB is stupid financially and stupid when considering the long-term health of the franchise' camp.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

You know, knowing what Nico did to get Wood and Hardy...wouldn't surprise me if something big was cooking. Maybe it's just stupid optimism, but something doesn't smell quite right.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

You know, knowing what Nico did to get Wood and Hardy...wouldn't surprise me if something big was cooking. Maybe it's just stupid optimism, but something doesn't smell quite right.

I kinda get that feeling too, but I'm also worried it's just me being a stupid homer.

I'm not in love with Brunson's game. Never have been. So I'm really not upset at the though of losing him alone. It's the thought of losing him and not replacing his production. If the Mavs can find another decent ball-handling guard, then I've got no problem.

[EricaLubarsky]

I love the idea of offering JB 28mill just to make the Knicks suffer

[purplefrog]

Not offering JB comparable money to the Knicks, feels like Steve Nash and Tyson Chandler all over again. Maybe the details are much different, but if feels the same. The only remaining common factor in all of these transactions (or lack thereof) is Cuban. And that makes me think that this type of thinking and action/inaction will likely continue. I hope not. Losing JB's contribution will hurt, but theoretically he can be replaced. Cuban only willing to pay/overpay superstars and not important secondary players is still a problem. I just don't think you have that luxury in the NBA. It is important to keep the players that are key in a winning season. Not let them walk for nothing.

[saclare]

Wild ass, out of left field scenario, but one I have to ask smarter people...

Since Beal opted out, he's free to sign a 4 year max deal with any other team with the Wiz able to go 5 (and super?)

Any way in hell Nico could clear enough space? I think highly doubtful, but salivating to think on...

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by saclare

Wild ass, out of left field scenario, but one I have to ask smarter people...

Since Beal opted out, he's free to sign a 4 year max deal with any other team with the Wiz able to go 5 (and super?)

Any way in hell Nico could clear enough space? I think highly doubtful, but salivating to think on...

I'm salivating at the though of Hardy being a Beal/Lillardesque player in a couple of years. But that's also highly doubtful.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Looks like a three way bidding war between the Wolves, Knicks, and Hawks for Murray per Stein.

[EricaLubarsky]

@wojespn
? 1m
The Atlanta Hawks are trading Danilo Gallinari and multiple first-round picks to the San Antonio Spurs for All-Star guard Dejounte Murray, sources tell ESPN.

Guess the Knicks aren't going to be the Brunson/Murray/Randle superteam that they thought they were

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

@wojespn
? 1m
The Atlanta Hawks are trading Danilo Gallinari and multiple first-round picks to the San Antonio Spurs for All-Star guard Dejounte Murray, sources tell ESPN.

Guess the Knicks aren't going to be the Brunson/Murray/Randle superteam that they thought they were

I still don't get Brunson wanting to be "the man" while being cool with teaming up with Murray anyway. Made no sense unless he just didn't like Luka.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I still don't get Brunson wanting to be "the man" while being cool with teaming up with Murray anyway. Made no sense unless he just didn't like Luka.

There doesn't seem to have been a personal issue between them, at least nothing that's been reported. What I have seen though are reports of Brunson's "camp" thinking that he would never fulfill his true potential playing next to "the most ball-dominant player in the league." And I've also seen reports saying that there were "hard feelings" over the Mavs not giving him the extension he wanted. Zach Lowe said that Brunson wanted the Mavs to "outbid" the Knicks, and that execs Lowe spoke to said "if the Knicks offer $25 mil, the Mavs should offer 30."

It sounds like it's a combination of things. I think the biggest factor of all though and the only one that really matters is that the Knicks clearly want him a lot more than the Mavs do. If the Mavs wanted to keep him that badly, they could. But they have their "walkaway price," at 22 million.

Again, I'm not in love with Brunson's game, but there are two really inexcusable failures here by the Mavs. #1- not giving him the extension early on, enabling the Mavs to keep him at a mere fraction of what he costs now, and #2, not working a S&T with the Knicks once it became clear the the Knicks were willing to pay more than the Mavs were.

Losing him is one thing. Losing him for nothing is another.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

There doesn't seem to have been a personal issue between them, at least nothing that's been reported. What I have seen though are reports of Brunson's "camp" thinking that he would never fulfill his true potential playing next to "the most ball-dominant player in the league." And I've also seen reports saying that there were "hard feelings" over the Mavs not giving him the extension he wanted. Zach Lowe said that Brunson wanted the Mavs to "outbid" the Knicks, and that execs Lowe spoke to said "if the Knicks offer $25 mil, the Mavs should offer 30."

It sounds like it's a combination of things. I think the biggest factor of all though and the only one that really matters is that the Knicks clearly want him a lot more than the Mavs do. If the Mavs wanted to keep him that badly, they could. But they have their "walkaway price," at 22 million.

Again, I'm not in love with Brunson's game, but there are two really inexcusable failures here by the Mavs. #1- not giving him the extension early on, enabling the Mavs to keep him at a mere fraction of what he costs now, and #2, not working a S&T with the Knicks once it became clear the the Knicks were willing to pay more than the Mavs were.

Losing him is one thing. Losing him for nothing is another.

I don't get what the motivation for the Knicks giving us value would be?

Why would the Knicks give us talent/picks for a guy they could just sign for free?

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I don't get what the motivation for the Knicks giving us value would be?

Why would the Knicks give us talent/picks for a guy they could just sign for free?

Well NOW they don't have any incentive, because they cleared the cap space to sign him outright. But they had to trade multiple players to do that. They traded Noel and Burks to Detroit just to clear the cap space. I don't know what the conversations were like behind closed doors, but common sense tells me if the Mavs wanted to facilitate this, they could have. Burks and Noel would have been a fine return for Brunson. I would have been happy with that.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I don't get what the motivation for the Knicks giving us value would be?

Why would the Knicks give us talent/picks for a guy they could just sign for free?

If you?re the Mavs and you know JB wants to go. Would you have taken Burks/Noel and a 2nd? 2 2nds like Detroit got? Absolutely I would. Honestly I?d prob do it with no picks attached because I think both those players are rotation guys. Kinda seems like the Knicks weren?t interested in engaging with us for a SnT. Maybe a Cuban said we don?t want your trash. Who knows

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

@wojespn
? 1m
The Atlanta Hawks are trading Danilo Gallinari and multiple first-round picks to the San Antonio Spurs for All-Star guard Dejounte Murray, sources tell ESPN.

Guess the Knicks aren't going to be the Brunson/Murray/Randle superteam that they thought they were

Pretty good haul for the Spurs considering they drafted Murray with the 29th pick. That franchise is going to struggle until they draft their big star. Once Pop retires there isn?t much appeal to playing there from a FA standpoint.

[EricaLubarsky]

Donte DiVencenzo is about to become an UFA

[BPo001]

Crazy thought, but what if the Knicks shift their focus on a max deal to Beal and for some reason he accepts it.

[purplefrog]

Bobby Portis about to become UFA.

[tap2390]

In my opinion this is a completely different scenario than not bringing back the 2011 squad. That was a championship caliber squad full of savvy veterans who fit well together. Right now we are discussing paying our secondary initiator like a primary initiator on a squad that already has the best primary initiator in the league on a super max deal.

Beyond the money and commitment, we can?t offer JB a team where his dad is a coach and the GM is a family friend and he gets to be the guy. This isn?t about Cuban?s pocketbook regardless of what bullshit numbers JB?s dad is throwing out there to reporters about Nico?s ?walk away? price.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Crazy thought, but what if the Knicks shift their focus on a max deal to Beal and for some reason he accepts it.

I mean, it would be the smarter play for them...

[BPo001]

NBA Central: ?[The Suns] believe that they could find a number of other centers who can give them the type of production that Deandre Ayton can.? 😳 ? ESPN?s Brian Windhorst (h/t @The Jump ) pic.twitter.com/qJReKLQK7Y ? via Twitter TheNBACentral

[EricaLubarsky]

Despite only 6.5mill to use, the Mavs are now favored in Vegas to sign:

Looney
Oladipo
Bamba
GP2

Crazy

[EricaLubarsky]

Patty Mills is now an UFA

[saclare]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Patty Mills is now an UFA

I wanted him last year. He'd be a nice backup PG option who can hit the 3 at a nice clip...

[purplefrog]

Brunson and agent to meet with Knicks, Mavs, and Heat....

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-jal...220533408.html

Article mentions Mavs would need something in the ballpark of 5 years and $125M.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

Brunson and agent to meet with Knicks, Mavs, and Heat....

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-jal...220533408.html

Article mentions Mavs would need something in the ballpark of 5 years and $125M.

I mean, that seems like a no-brainer to me, but I guess it's not my money. I can't see how the FO didn't see this coming like 22 would be enough. That's just not realistic. Maybe they can at least raise it, in total, to be more than the Knicks at say 115-120? Hope springs eternal.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Ha the Heat! I called this sh**.

The Miami Heat are a dark horse in the Jalen Brunson sweepstakes, per
@ChrisBHaynes

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/st...69661437370373

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Ha the Heat! I called this sh**.

The Miami Heat are a dark horse in the Jalen Brunson sweepstakes, per
@ChrisBHaynes

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/st...69661437370373

lmao, that would by the ultimate Knicks offseason if the Heat ended up getting him.

[EricaLubarsky]

It's strange to me to be bitching about things when they haven't even become official.

We don't know what will happen when free agency begins. For all we know there is a sign and trade. Or the Knicks revoke their offer now that Murray is off the table. Or they decide to pivot to Beal. We don't know.

All I know is we could not have received Noel/Burks. It is illegal. It only worked with the Pistons because they were under the cap. BYC rules would have applied because Brunson had full bird rights and got a raise over 20% of previous salary.

Brunson would count for 25million for the Knicks but only 12.5million for us and since we're over the cap, we'd need to match that 12.5mill.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

It's strange to me to be bitching about things when they haven't even become official.

We don't know what will happen when free agency begins. For all we know there is a sign and trade. Or the Knicks revoke their offer now that Murray is off the table. Or they decide to pivot to Beal. We don't know.

All I know is we could not have received Noel/Burks. It is illegal. It only worked with the Pistons because they were under the cap. BYC rules would have applied because Brunson had full bird rights and got a raise over 20% of previous salary.

Brunson would count for 25million for the Knicks but only 12.5million for us and since we're over the cap, we'd need to match that 12.5mill.

I don't pretend know all the complexities of how sign-and-trades work, but I just don't buy that there wasn't a deal to made early on. The Knicks had to move heaven and earth to get Brunson. They built their entire offseason around him- at least to this point. Common sense tells me that the Mavs could have worked something out if they wanted to given how many hoops the Knicks had to jump through.

As for bitching about things before they're official. I mean, fine I guess. But when Woj, Stein, Lowe, Cato, and McMahon are all saying that Brunson to the Knicks is all but a done deal, I tend to believe that.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I don't pretend know all the complexities of how sign-and-trades work, but I just don't buy that there wasn't a deal to made early on. The Knicks had to move heaven and earth to get Brunson. They built their entire offseason around him- at least to this point. Common sense tells me that the Mavs could have worked something out if they wanted to given how many hoops the Knicks had to jump through.

As for bitching about things before they're official. I mean, fine I guess. But when Woj, Stein, Lowe, Cato, and McMahon are all saying that Brunson to the Knicks is all but a done deal, I tend to believe that.

I know, and he is still 95% going there, but I swear to god the Heat always pull this crap out of a hat. The lure of playing in Miami is just too much for too many players to pass up.

And hell, if we work out a S&T that gets us assets back. Stranger things have happened.

I won't give up til the ink is dry!!!

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I know, and he is still 95% going there, but I swear to god the Heat always pull this crap out of a hat. The lure of playing in Miami is just too much for too many players to pass up.

And hell, if we work out a S&T that gets us assets back. Stranger things have happened.

I won't give up til the ink is dry!!!

To yours and EL's point about it not being official- Stein just tweeted this out-

"Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is scheduled to be joined by top team executives Nico Harrison and Michael Finley, Coach Jason Kidd and, as
@ChrisBHaynes
reports, maybe one or two of Jalen Brunson's teammates at Thursday's free-agent meeting in NYC with Brunson, league sources say."

So it looks like the Mavs haven't completely given up yet.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Ahh, looks like there is some fight after all.

Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is scheduled to be joined by top team executives Nico Harrison and Michael Finley, Coach Jason Kidd and, as
@ChrisBHaynes
reports, maybe one or two of Jalen Brunson's teammates at Thursday's free-agent meeting in NYC with Brunson, league sources say. Per Stein quoting Haynes.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Ahh, looks like there is some fight after all.

Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is scheduled to be joined by top team executives Nico Harrison and Michael Finley, Coach Jason Kidd and, as
@ChrisBHaynes
reports, maybe one or two of Jalen Brunson's teammates at Thursday's free-agent meeting in NYC with Brunson, league sources say. Per Stein quoting Haynes.

How many chairs?

[BPo001]

What?s up with LaVine? Haven?t heard his name at all.

[Thespiralgoeson]

I'm trying to get a feel for what people other than Mavs fans think about Brunson going to the Knicks.

I just listened to a podcast with Stein, and he's saying it's a huge blunder for the Mavs and a really solid pickup for the Knicks.

Everyone else though, including the Knicks fanbase, seems to be very skeptical about paying Brunson that kind of of money. It it not a very popular move on the Knicks side.

[Amarelooms]

I ain?t begging Brunson to stay lol. He wants to go. Go. Issue is not working a sign and trade. Maybe convince him to force New York send us something back. Brunson can be replaced.

[EricaLubarsky]

Lu Dort now a UFA