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EricaLubarsky · 06-14-2018, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Explain? Because if we're talking about a high floor over a high ceiling I'd rather have Mikal Bridges.

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We would never do that to season-ticket base, ownership, Mavs fans globally. When you're picking five, you've gotta come away with something and hopefully that something has some special upside.

as I said, I think I may be so desperate for Mavs news that I'm reading WAY too into that, but it sounds like they more want a sure thing with some potential upside (Carter, Bridges) than guys like Jackson, Bamba, and particularly Porter-- guys who may be stars, but may also be out of the league in 4-5 years.

Priority 1 - get SOMETHING
Priority 2 - special upside

Then again that's a total read based on sentence construction that may not even be accurately transcribed.

Melonhead · 06-14-2018, 09:54 PM

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I may be reading way more into that, but it sounds like we're going Carter.

I took it as Mavs aren’t going to gamble on MPJ

rimrocker · 06-14-2018, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Explain? Because if we're talking about a high floor over a high ceiling I'd rather have Mikal Bridges.

Yeah, I'd rather have Bridges over Carter as well.

Bridges would be a great replacement for Wes and a great fit with DSJ and Barnes. Not the sexy pick but could be the best if they want to play it safe.
I'd definitely trade back with Chicago if they still have interest in Porter and try to get that #22 pick....that is if Bridges is our guy.

Underdog · 06-14-2018, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Priority 1 - get SOMETHING
Priority 2 - special upside

So playing not to lose instead of playing to win... Is it too early to start the 2019 NBA Draft thread?

rimrocker · 06-14-2018, 10:20 PM

This a draft where Donnie and Cuban almost have to swing for the fence and take the risk. Yes, they will get skinned alive by Mavs fans if they miss but fans will also be extremely pissed if they go the safe route with guys like Bridges and Carter.

I think most fans will be content if he takes whomever is left of Bagley, Bamba, JJJ or Doncic.

Basically what I take from that article is that Porter has been removed from that list now and Donnie will not have to make a decision....unless Young and/or Porter happen to get taken ahead of us.

SMC0007 · 06-14-2018, 10:24 PM

Panic! I'm hoping for Doncic still but braced for J3

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-14-2018, 10:47 PM

The more I think about it, the more I realize that JJJ's floor is Dwight Powell with a three shot and excellent shot blocking. Can you imagine what Powell would be with those two attributes?

I'm slowly inching towards him. Being able to guard perimeter players as a big man is paramount.

rimrocker · 06-14-2018, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The more I think about it, the more I realize that JJJ's floor is Dwight Powell with a three shot and excellent shot blocking. Can you imagine what Powell would be with those two attributes?

I'm slowly inching towards him. Being able to guard perimeter players as a big man is paramount.

He has all of the physical attributes to be a star imo. Only question is BBIQ and drive.

EricaLubarsky · 06-14-2018, 10:56 PM

Jackson won't even turn 19 until September.

He's crazy young. That gives you time to develop him, but man, he's raw. We'd be babysitting an 18-year old for a few months. Might be a good matchup with 20-year-old Smith, though.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-14-2018, 11:02 PM

Yep, the first season of JJJ won't be stellar, but does it need to be when you got Smith to keep people entertained?

I feel that so much of this draft depends on how good they think DSJ will be.

rimrocker · 06-14-2018, 11:17 PM

I honestly don't think they can go wrong with JJJ.
He is a much more skilled version of Powell and should at minimum be a solid starter in the league.

Although he is young I could see him taking the starting role that Powell has/had.

DSJ/Wes/Barnes/JJJ/Dirk

Solid fit with a great veteran supporting cast to help him develop.

Zaman314125 · 06-14-2018, 11:22 PM

I doubt Jackson Jr is there. I think he's pegged at 3. We're going to be choosing between Bamba and Porter Jr imo.

sefant77 · 06-14-2018, 11:36 PM

We are not sniffing anywhere near GS and Boston for the next handful years.

You go highest ceiling, fuck the floor. Its really that simple

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-15-2018, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

We are not sniffing anywhere near GS and Boston for the next handful years.

You go highest ceiling, fuck the floor. Its really that simple

I don't think "fuck the floor" is really a smart way to look at it. What we should do is focus on what the floor is. JJJ's floor actually isn't that bad. Neither is Bamba's.

Could they be total busts? Yeah, but that would be highly unlikely.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-15-2018, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

We are not sniffing anywhere near GS and Boston for the next handful years.

You go highest ceiling, fuck the floor. Its really that simple

I agree. But it sounds like the Mavs are more about this-

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So playing not to lose instead of playing to win... Is it too early to start the 2019 NBA Draft thread?

And if this is true we can start the 2019 draft thread like yesterday.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-15-2018, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I don't think "fuck the floor" is really a smart way to look at it. What we should do is focus on what the floor is. JJJ's floor actually isn't that bad. Neither is Bamba's.

Could they be total busts? Yeah, but that would be highly unlikely.

Yeah but both of those guys have a high ceiling, in fact they prolly have the 2 highest ceilings in this draft and their floor is quality starter imo. I think the issue would come with drafting one of those other guys, like Carter and Bridges. I'll give anyone we draft a chance but I'm not gonna be in love with picking either of those guys at 5.

sefant77 · 06-15-2018, 12:12 AM

Yes i meant of course to draft Bamba or JJJ instead of Carter or Mikal

EricaLubarsky · 06-15-2018, 12:27 AM

First round is contentious but I really like Mo Wagner at 33 and not just because he loves Dirk

Love a quiet, smart player who you can lose track of and he ends up going for 24-15. Plays hard. Can hit threes and clean up the glass. Helped his team to the championship game.

SMC0007 · 06-15-2018, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

We are not sniffing anywhere near GS and Boston for the next handful years.

You go highest ceiling, fuck the floor. Its really that simple

#Fuck the floor #go mavs

j0Shi · 06-15-2018, 03:17 AM

The Memphis trade has been rumored there for a while now. It's intriguing because we could just eat up Parson's contract (he wouldn't likely actually play for us), but there are limited scenarios in which picking #4 and #5 makes sense. Either Doncic is available so you can pick him and a big or Mikal rises as so much that you don't have to feel bad of picking him that high and go with Mikal and a big.

Underdog · 06-15-2018, 06:16 AM

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The Memphis trade has been rumored there for a while now. It's intriguing because we could just eat up Parson's contract (he wouldn't likely actually play for us), but there are limited scenarios in which picking #4 and #5 makes sense. Either Doncic is available so you can pick him and a big or Mikal rises as so much that you don't have to feel bad of picking him that high and go with Mikal and a big.

Actually, there never was a Memphis rumor -- it was just a random scenario that Skin came up with a couple months ago. He was reading the tea leaves, trying to find a way for the Mavs to get a second high pick... And now here we are with Memphis offering exactly what he hoped for; a package of Parsons/#4 to the highest bidder.

And I can make an argument for almost any combination of Doncic/Bagley/JJJ/Bamba, especially since Jaren Jackson Jr. can play either the 4 or the 5 (seriously, a JJJ/Bamba combo would be ridiculous on defense)... But it doesn't even matter what you think about those combos when we can always just grab whoever we want at #4 and flip #5 for something else (like, we could trade down to get Mikal or Carter and come away with another pick/player). It's all about assets.

j0Shi · 06-15-2018, 07:09 AM

Ah thanks. I wasn't actually sure where I had heard that before, only that Memphis trade sounded "familiar".

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-15-2018, 07:50 AM

And the only person saying we are open to taking on salary for a top 10 pick is good ole Mike Fisher. And even he says the Mavs won't include Barnes so it's pretty much a non-story at least with regards to Memphis.

Now, that doesn't mean there aren't other teams, like the Sixers, where something could happen.

hayth.james.g · 06-15-2018, 08:28 AM

Barnes + next year's 1st for Parsons and #4 is a perfect scenario for both teams imo. You can top 10 protect it for next year.

Memphis would be right where they need to be next year and still have great building blocks for the future.

If Cuban and Donnie aren't salivating at the potential of this, I'm done. This is NOT that hard.

EricaLubarsky · 06-15-2018, 09:50 AM

152 hours

Underdog · 06-15-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

And the only person saying we are open to taking on salary for a top 10 pick is good ole Mike Fisher. And even he says the Mavs won't include Barnes so it's pretty much a non-story at least with regards to Memphis.

Now, that doesn't mean there aren't other teams, like the Sixers, where something could happen.

All that matters is that Memphis is willing to trade -- anything Mike Fisher says is immaterial.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-15-2018, 10:22 AM

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All that matters is that Memphis is willing to trade -- anything Mike Fisher says is immaterial.

True, but I don't see it happening unless Barnes is included. Hopefully the Mavs come to their senses and add him at the finish line.

Barnes is a good trooper through these hard times, but a decent player on a terrible team doesn't hold a ton of value.

SMC0007 · 06-15-2018, 11:30 AM

Fish is mentioning Mathews and Powell and next year unprotected. Not sure they would be interested unless they like wes expiring

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-15-2018, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Fish is mentioning Mathews and Powell and next year unprotected. Not sure they would be interested unless they like wes expiring

They might actually prefer that if they don't want to be locked into Barnes, but I'm doubtful.

I think the pick next year would be top 10 protected. Dunno if I'd give up an unprotected pick.

SMC0007 · 06-15-2018, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

They might actually prefer that if they don't want to be locked into Barnes, but I'm doubtful.

I think the pick next year would be top 10 protected. Dunno if I'd give up an unprotected pick.

If I'm Memphis, I don't do the deal if it's Wes and powell protected. That's not enough with Gasol getting older and Wes not being near what Barnes is.

Also Mentioned was moving to 7 with Chicago giving us Kriss Dunn in that same scenario.

saclare · 06-15-2018, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

First round is contentious but I really like Mo Wagner at 33 and not just because he loves Dirk

Love a quiet, smart player who you can lose track of and he ends up going for 24-15. Plays hard. Can hit threes and clean up the glass. Helped his team to the championship game.

Love Wagner. I have a feeling he sneaks into late 1st round when it's all said and done.

Shake Milton, Jarred Vanderbilt, Brandon McCoy, and Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk are intriguing in the 2nd.

SMC0007 · 06-15-2018, 12:55 PM

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Love Wagner. I have a feeling he sneaks into late 1st round when it's all said and done.

Shake Milton, Jarred Vanderbilt, Brandon McCoy, and Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk are intriguing in the 2nd.

Shake Milton reminds me of Shaun Livingston. 6'6'' long and athletic. I could see him next to DSJ for some additional ball handling and creation.

I personally would prefer Mykhailiuk over Divencenzo. He would be a great grab if he made it to our pick.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-15-2018, 01:05 PM

Love hearing these rumors of Porter going 2 and Young going 3 with us possibly in the mix for the 4 pick. We get to dream of it for a few days until none of that actually happens.

Underdog · 06-15-2018, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

True, but I don't see it happening unless Barnes is included. Hopefully the Mavs come to their senses and add him at the finish line.

Absolutely, and I'd trade Barnes for Parsons/#4 in a heartbeat... Love HB, but he'd be a better fit with Memphis while the #4 pick would be a better fit for our future plans. I think this could be a win-win, depending on what other moving parts it would take to grease the wheels (like next year's pick or whatever). Not to mention that we could probably flip Parsons' expiring next summer, assuming he doesn't miraculously round back into form and we decide to keep him.

Like I said before, whatever Fish says is immaterial. He's always searching for an unrealistic angle to generate clicks.

SMC0007 · 06-15-2018, 03:31 PM

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Absolutely, and I'd trade Barnes for Parsons/#4 in a heartbeat... Love HB, but he'd be a better fit with Memphis while the #4 pick would be a better fit for our future plans. I think this could be a win-win, depending on what other moving parts it would take to grease the wheels (like next year's pick or whatever). Not to mention that we could probably flip Parsons' expiring next summer, assuming he doesn't miraculously round back into form and we decide to keep him.

Like I said before, whatever Fish says is immaterial. He's always searching for an unrealistic angle to generate clicks.

At least these scenarios makes some sense. I dont think it would get done as a protected pick either way.

purplefrog · 06-15-2018, 05:55 PM

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Absolutely, and I'd trade Barnes for Parsons/#4 in a heartbeat... Love HB, but he'd be a better fit with Memphis while the #4 pick would be a better fit for our future plans. I think this could be a win-win, depending on what other moving parts it would take to grease the wheels (like next year's pick or whatever). Not to mention that we could probably flip Parsons' expiring next summer, assuming he doesn't miraculously round back into form and we decide to keep him.

Like I said before, whatever Fish says is immaterial. He's always searching for an unrealistic angle to generate clicks.

After the Mavs make this trade, they turn around and trade Wes +#33 to Cleveland for Thompson/Clarkson, and the #8. Mavs end up with three picks in the top ten (but take on a ton of salary).

And then I woke up...

Underdog · 06-15-2018, 06:11 PM

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After the Mavs make this trade, they turn around and trade Wes +#33 to Cleveland for Thompson/Clarkson, and the #8. Mavs end up with three picks in the top ten (but take on a ton of salary).

And then I woke up...

I'd still say acquiring picks by taking on salary is the best use of our cap space for the foreseeable future... Parsons/#4 and Faried/#14 are two deals I'd love to see us try to pursue.

mac222b · 06-15-2018, 06:20 PM

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I'd still say acquiring picks by taking on salary is the best use of our cap space for the foreseeable future... Parsons/#4 and Faried/#14 are two deals I'd love to see us try to pursue.

Absolutely. There is no universe in which we can contend in the next 5 years or so. Push FA off by a couple years and just horde young players, picks and other assets

Underdog · 06-15-2018, 08:38 PM

@Schultz_Report: Source familiar with Michael Porter, Jr.’s medical results today says everything was clean and that his back was better than expected. More good news for the Porter camp in Chicago. #NBADraft

EricaLubarsky · 06-15-2018, 08:44 PM

Okay Mavs owe me an apology if they trade the #5

Got tickets to games 2 and 3 of the Vegas Summer League and I’m looking forward to seeing Smith throw lobs to our #5 pick