05-11-2010, 08:03 PM
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Whether it makes good asset-management sense to pick up JJB's option, and how JJB might be used next year *if* he isn't traded this summer are two completely separate issues.
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Well, that's not what Jthig said, now was it?
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No matter what you think of him, he's proven he can at least be a backup PG for 10 minutes a night. For 1.8 mil, that's a steal. There is literally no downside to exercising a 1.8 mil extension on JJB.
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So that's not a steal when you factor in that JJB is not the backup PG for the Mavs. JJB is the defacto SG on most nights. Hell, he is the SF on some nights when they go with the 3 guard lineup.
And let's not even get into the "he is what he is" and the Mavs already have a young PG/SG who can defend better than him, rebound better, and shoot better. And having JJB may definitely hamper that player's development.
So there is definitely a **downside** to JJB staying. And how this simple and indisputable truth eludes so many in this thread is beyond me.
Last edited by Bayliss; 05-11-2010 at 08:07 PM.
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05-11-2010, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bayliss
Well, that's not what Jthig said, now was it?
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So that's not a steal when you factor in that JJB is not the backup PG for the Mavs. JJB is the defacto SG on most nights. Hell, he is the SF on some nights when they go with the 3 guard lineup.
And let's not even get into the "he is what he is" and the Mavs already have a young PG/SG who can defend better than him, rebound better, and shoot better. And having JJB may definitely hamper that player's development.
So there is definitely a **downside** to JJB staying. And how this simple and indisputable truth eludes so many in this thread is beyond me.
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1) I'm well aware of what jthig said. I'm so aware of it that pretty much all I've done in this thread is argue in favor of his analysis of the Mavs decision to exercise the option on his final year
2) JJB playing 20 mpg next year would be either a failure in coaching, a failure to fill the need at SG this summer, or both. Picking up the option on his final year guarantees neither, and may prove helpful in working a trade for a deserving starter.
3) Giving an inexpensive player minutes in excess of his pay grade doesn't make that inexpensive player less of a bargain. That's just silly.
4) Booby might not be here next year.
5) JJB might stay a Maverick next year, but it'll be at least a couple months before we get any clear indications about that one way or the other. The (non)news that the Mavs are exercising the option on his contract does not qualify as a clear indication.
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05-11-2010, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c
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3) Giving an inexpensive player minutes in excess of his pay grade doesn't make that inexpensive player less of a bargain. That's just silly..
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It's all about whether you trust RC to learn from his mistakes or you think that Cuban and Donnie should be making some decisions for him. Personally, I trust RC exactly as little as Roddy played (or I mistrust RC about as much as Roddy didn't play), which is to say, not enough to get our team out of the first round.
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05-11-2010, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin
It's all about whether you trust RC to learn from his mistakes or you think that Cuban and Donnie should be making some decisions for him. Personally, I trust RC exactly as little as Roddy played (or I mistrust RC about as much as Roddy didn't play), which is to say, not enough to get our team out of the first round.
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Unfortunately that's a situation that nobody can answer until the ball is tipped and its time to make an actual decision.
Ultimately like grndmstr_c said, they're just covering their bases and still have flexibility.
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05-11-2010, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9
Ultimately like grndmstr_c said, they're just covering their bases and still have flexibility.
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While Cubes has shown himself to sometimes be perhaps too flexible, RC has shown himself to be absolutely inflexible. As you said, the downside is minutes played. If Barea is on the bench next year, he won't be there enough.
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05-11-2010, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bayliss
So that's not a steal when you factor in that JJB is not the backup PG for the Mavs. JJB is the defacto SG on most nights. Hell, he is the SF on some nights when they go with the 3 guard lineup.
And let's not even get into the "he is what he is" and the Mavs already have a young PG/SG who can defend better than him, rebound better, and shoot better. And having JJB may definitely hamper that player's development.
So there is definitely a **downside** to JJB staying. And how this simple and indisputable truth eludes so many in this thread is beyond me.
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The system is flawed...that's not the issue. The issue is whether it was good or bad in picking up the option. You just said he can play SG and SF as well as PG. For someone who can do that and it only costs you 1.8....
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The only downside i see is from a minutes management standpoint, that's up to Rick to figure that out.
Any backup PG is going to have their flaws, when it comes down to it, whether it's right or wrong: if nothing radically stands out, you're going to go with what you know. The FO knows JJ and what he can do. It takes a lot less time dealing with him instead of having to spend the time incorporating what another PG does and if it actually meshes with your system. That is something that can easily hamper a player's development as well.
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05-11-2010, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bayliss
So there is definitely a **downside** to JJB staying. And how this simple and indisputable truth eludes so many in this thread is beyond me.
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Please point me to the post where I said there was no downside to JJB staying.
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