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Also agree, and I'm quite glad karma bit Brunson and the Knicks in the ass.

I really only care about an insurance ball handling guard at this point. DSJ or Schroder fit perfectly in that regard.
Even if they were horrible on defense, I would?ve been a little bit salty if Jalen got to play with Donovan.

Now he gets what he wants fully. To be the man. I?ll be watching lots of Knicks games
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Even if they were horrible on defense, I would?ve been a little bit salty if Jalen got to play with Donovan.

Now he gets what he wants fully. To be the man. I?ll be watching lots of Knicks games
I?m actually excited to watch Brunson. I think he will do well, but it will be hard to live up to the expectations. I imagine he can be a 19/7 guy who can bring some stabilization to their offense.
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Response to the NYK showing up to ?watch? Brunson in the playoffs.

Zach Lowe: That did not go over well with Utah officials. That was poorly received. I?m not saying it colored the trade negotiations here because I don?t think anybody makes those type of emotional decisions 3 months later, but it did not engender good will as this unfolded. ? via Spotify

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God I hope Brunson misses the playoffs and ends up mis?rable.

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Rumors are that Lakers are being asked for a FRP to take Westbrook.

Bertans, Powell, THJ for Westbrook and a FRP looks better than just Powell+Bertans+THJ for Westbrick.

Then again, it's either the worse of the two between Lakers and Pelicans next summer OR we have to wait until potentially 2026. The Lakers also seem unwilling to pay the FRP too.

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Mavs FO shows up to watch Germany play despite no Maxi. Seems like we might be on the Dennis Schroder trail.

https://sports.yahoo.com/celtics-alu...012348266.html

And they got a show. 25pts, 8ast, 5reb (albeit on low efficiency)

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Old 09-05-2022, 01:14 PM   #1447
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Stein says we are after a ball handling vet. Schroder, DSJ, and Bledsoe mentioned.
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Stein says we are after a ball handling vet. Schroder, DSJ, and Bledsoe mentioned.
Schroeder or Bledsoe make sense, but I don?t see the interest in DSJ.
Can?t see DSJ being much of an upgrade from Frank, Hardy or Dorsey (if any at all). I?d rather just go with one of those 3 if DSJ is our only option.

I still think Schroeder is our best bet.
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I just feel like Schroder cements us as a contender. And it's just for the fact that he can rest Luka and Dinwiddie. It's a total no-brainer signing and perfect fit.

I'm guessing the Lakers are also interested and teams are waiting to see what happens with Utah's leftovers.
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The hesitation in signing Schroder leads me to believe they are aggressively trying to find a ball handler via trade and they want to keep an open roster spot in case they have to take back an extra player. Being in luxury tax land means they would have to cut a player under contract and eat a lot of money.


Cant imagine who they are trying to target, but they must feel they can do better than any of those 3 in a trade.

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I want the best ball handler that can lower Luka's usage rate.

As much as I'd like to see DSJ reunite with Luka, that wont translate on the court as DSJ running an offense by himself.

Dennis or Bledsoe please.
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Why do I have a bad feeling we're waiting for a signing or trade that won't happen and the roster is set?

Surely Kidd being a former point guard should be screaming at the MBT to get another one here though.
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The hesitation in signing Schroder leads me to believe they are aggressively trying to find a ball handler via trade and they want to keep an open roster spot in case they have to take back an extra player. Being in luxury tax land means they would have to cut a player under contract and eat a lot of money.


Cant imagine who they are trying to target, but they must feel they can do better than any of those 3 in a trade.
I am wondering if there are teams out there who can offer more than the Mavs. For example, the MLE, or some part of the MLE. Mavs can only offer the vet minimum. These hypothetical teams are still engaged in trade negotiations and Schroder/Bledsoe are willing to wait until the full picture emerges. Bottom line is that it might not be the MBT sitting on their hands.
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I am wondering if there are teams out there who can offer more than the Mavs. For example, the MLE, or some part of the MLE. Mavs can only offer the vet minimum. These hypothetical teams are still engaged in trade negotiations and Schroder/Bledsoe are willing to wait until the full picture emerges. Bottom line is that it might not be the MBT sitting on their hands.
Yeah Mavs are absolutely not in the driver's seat. Do we even have the BAE? As far as I know, we're offering the minimum or a sign-and-trade and SnTs require us to give up assets.
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Noah Levick: Sixers are signing Montrezl Harrell to a two-year contract with a player option in Year 2 ? confirming @Adrian Wojnarowski. It?s a vet-minimum deal, per source. ? via Twitter NoahLevick
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I just feel like Schroder cements us as a contender. And it's just for the fact that he can rest Luka and Dinwiddie. It's a total no-brainer signing and perfect fit.

I'm guessing the Lakers are also interested and teams are waiting to see what happens with Utah's leftovers.
Do the Lakers have a need with Beverley now there?
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Kleber 3/33 extension. Not crazy about it, but I know he has value around the league so it's a good trade asset. He needs to up that 3 point shooting as it tanked last season.
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Kleber 3/33 extension. Not crazy about it, but I know he has value around the league so it's a good trade asset. He needs to up that 3 point shooting as it tanked last season.
$11 million per seems reasonable for his skill set. Agreed he need to get that 3 point % back up though.
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I am wondering if there are teams out there who can offer more than the Mavs. For example, the MLE, or some part of the MLE. Mavs can only offer the vet minimum. These hypothetical teams are still engaged in trade negotiations and Schroder/Bledsoe are willing to wait until the full picture emerges. Bottom line is that it might not be the MBT sitting on their hands.
If thats what the Mavs are having to do, then I guess its welcome back DSJ.

The other two will prob get a little more than vet min
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Kleber 3/33 extension. Not crazy about it, but I know he has value around the league so it's a good trade asset. He needs to up that 3 point shooting as it tanked last season.
I 100% assumed the Mavs were done with Kleber. He had those insane two playoff games, but he sharply declined during the season.
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God I hope Brunson misses the playoffs and ends up mis?rable.

May Brunson get everything he wants and may it be deeply unsatisfying
Why Brunson? Isn?t is Cuban you should be angry with? Don?t get me wrong, I don?t think it was handled with much class by Brunson?s camp but we didn?t extend JB when we had the chance and then low balled him at 21m. Cuban essentially never even made an offer. Maybe JB would?ve stayed if we didn?t offer him 6 million less per season, granted we offered an extra year which may or may not have even been desirable if JB wants to get back to FA sooner. Cuban either can?t or doesn?t want to pay what it takes to keep talent. We lost our second best or 2b behind Dodo, for nothing. It just doesn?t happen that often with well run organizations.
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Happy to have Maxi extended on a fair deal.
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I 100% assumed the Mavs were done with Kleber. He had those insane two playoff games, but he sharply declined during the season.
The smarter move would have been extending C. Wood. If he has a big season, then it could be Brunson all over again. Not sure of his eligibility though.
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Why Brunson? Isn?t is Cuban you should be angry with? Don?t get me wrong, I don?t think it was handled with much class by Brunson?s camp but we didn?t extend JB when we had the chance and then low balled him at 21m. Cuban essentially never even made an offer. Maybe JB would?ve stayed if we didn?t offer him 6 million less per season, granted we offered an extra year which may or may not have even been desirable if JB wants to get back to FA sooner. Cuban either can?t or doesn?t want to pay what it takes to keep talent. We lost our second best or 2b behind Dodo, for nothing. It just doesn?t happen that often with well run organizations.
Repeat after me: We. didn't. cheap. out.

He never even met with us. Maybe he would have signed an extension-- but it's probable that he refused and knew he wanted to be with the Knicks.

Jalen WANTED to be with the Knicks even after they missed the playoffs and the Mavs sniffed the finals.
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Let's also be real about Brunson's value. The knicks were the only team in the league that would bend heaven and earth for fricken' Brunson. Even if we had extended him, I don't believe teams were lining up to get him. He would have eventually requested a trade to the Knicks because that's where he wants to be. Yes, we are in a better position to get assets back there, but Brunson to the Knicks was going to happen one way or another. I don't see how anyone could think or see that differently based on what happened.
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Yeah 11 ain?t bad. It sounds like a lot but it?s the MLE. A few years ago thr MLE was 5.8 and 7 and no one would complain about that. It?s the same cap %

Sure he?s been mediocre from time to time but he?s also dominated defensively and his shooting single handedly turned the Utah series. He made Gobert his bitch by extending the spacing out to the three and dragging Gobert out to where he was uncomfortable which allowed us to win both the defense and rebounding battle.

People talk about Brunson, but without Kleber we lose in the first round and the MLE is never a bad pay for a guy who can change the outcome of a series

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Repeat after me: We. didn't. cheap. out.

He never even met with us. Maybe he would have signed an extension-- but it's probable that he refused and knew he wanted to be with the Knicks.

Jalen WANTED to be with the Knicks even after they missed the playoffs and the Mavs sniffed the finals.
I took that as Cuban trying to save face. And that he didn?t meet with us because our offer (which someone ?leaked?) was 21.5m per year, if I?m remembering right. Of course it may have been a done deal and no amount of money whipping could?ve kept JB from NY. But finding out we are offering that much less, after shopping him at the deadline and not extending him the summer before? It?s possible he was insulted all the way around. Personally I don?t entirely blame him. If we offered nearly equal or more money and he turned it down? different story. As I see it, Cuban didn?t want to pay that much tax and offered him a deal he couldn?t not refuse.
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Yeah 11 ain?t bad. It sounds like a lot but it?s the MLE. A few years ago thr MLE was 5.8 and 7 and no one would complain about that. It?s the same cap %

Sure he?s been mediocre from time to time but he?s also dominated defensively and his shooting single handedly turned the Utah series. He made Gobert his bitch by extending the spacing out to the three and dragging Gobert out to where he was uncomfortable which allowed us to win both the defense and rebounding battle.

People talk about Brunson, but without Kleber we lose in the first round and the MLE is never a bad pay for a guy who can change the outcome of a series
Yeah I?m fine with Maxi?s occasional ups and downs. It?s so hard to replace his skill set. I hope that we can limit his minutes somewhat this regular season with Wood and McGee on board and Green improving.
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Old 09-09-2022, 08:26 AM   #1469
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I took that as Cuban trying to save face. And that he didn?t meet with us because our offer (which someone ?leaked?) was 21.5m per year, if I?m remembering right. Of course it may have been a done deal and no amount of money whipping could?ve kept JB from NY. But finding out we are offering that much less, after shopping him at the deadline and not extending him the summer before? It?s possible he was insulted all the way around. Personally I don?t entirely blame him. If we offered nearly equal or more money and he turned it down? different story. As I see it, Cuban didn?t want to pay that much tax and offered him a deal he couldn?t not refuse.
Was that number accurate though? Could have been spoon fed from Brunson's camp. And even then, the overall offer would have been more because of the five years.

But it didn't matter. He wasn't going to stay regardless of the money. He didn't even give us or Miami a meeting. His dad was hired by them and they cleared the space in a nutty way. The deal was already done before we could even throw out a number. And let's say we offered him the max we could offer. Would you really want to do that when the guy doesn't want to play for you? And even then, he probably turns it down because he wants to be in NY. Might make Cuban look even worse and desperate.

You aren't going to see me defend Cuban as he screws up plenty, but the FO wanted him and Brunson wanted to go to NY. That's all that really matters at the end of the day.
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Was that number accurate though? Could have been spoon fed from Brunson's camp. And even then, the overall offer would have been more because of the five years.

But it didn't matter. He wasn't going to stay regardless of the money. He didn't even give us or Miami a meeting. His dad was hired by them and they cleared the space in a nutty way. The deal was already done before we could even throw out a number. And let's say we offered him the max we could offer. Would you really want to do that when the guy doesn't want to play for you? And even then, he probably turns it down because he wants to be in NY. Might make Cuban look even worse and desperate.

You aren't going to see me defend Cuban as he screws up plenty, but the FO wanted him and Brunson wanted to go to NY. That's all that really matters at the end of the day.
I don?t disagree with any of this. We may never know who leaked the figures. All I know is no one in the Mavs camp denied those numbers. But I agree he wanted NY and was likely to leave no matter what. At the same time it can also be true that Cuban cheaped out and lowballed him, essentially assuring his departure. My reasoning for believing this to be true is we never heard another figure reported and the difference was enough that Cuban could be certain he wouldn?t take the offer. I think the Knicks tampered, Brunson?s camp could?ve handled things better AND Cuban didn?t want to pay that much luxury tax. I think it would?ve been something like between 120-$140 million if I?m remembering right. I think they telegraphed a low number pretty early in the process purposefully. Although plain old incompetence could be or toy to blame too? that they somehow didn?t see the Knicks as a serious threat until it was too late. Even I don?t think Cuban is that big a moron that he thought Jalen would choose Dallas at a starting salary of almost 5 million less per. The extra year might not even be appealing to Jalen. He hits FA again at age 30 after his Knicks deal.

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Just re-checked and Brunson?s Knicks deal starts at 27.6. So we were offering a full 6m less per year starting salary. Even worse than I had remembered.
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Just re-checked and Brunson?s Knicks deal starts at 27.6. So we were offering a full 6m less per year starting salary. Even worse than I had remembered.
That's still a large chunk of change for Brunson. I'm on record for saying 30 mil year, and I woulda paid it.

But plenty of fans cut their offer off at 22.5, and that isn't unreasonable. 30 mil contracts are hard to move if they aren't a top tier player, and even then, often difficult to match salary. I look at similarly tiered Brogdon in that regard. He is making 22.5 and still only got you a bunch of guys you've never heard of and a meh first rounder (top 12 protected in 2023 and turns into a second rounder if not conveyed).
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That's still a large chunk of change for Brunson. I'm on record for saying 30 mil year, and I woulda paid it.

But plenty of fans cut their offer off at 22.5, and that isn't unreasonable. 30 mil contracts are hard to move if they aren't a top tier player, and even then, often difficult to match salary. I look at similarly tiered Brogdon in that regard. He is making 22.5 and still only got you a bunch of guys you've never heard of and a meh first rounder (top 12 protected in 2023 and turns into a second rounder if not conveyed).
I would?ve definitely gone over the Knicks offer. Not sure I?d go all the way to 30m. The Knicks deal is descending so I guess we probably could?ve done the same, so it starts at let?s say 29.5 and becomes better as it goes on. If I?m Cuban, I do ANYTHiNG to make sure Luka doesn?t leave. If we kept Brunson with Wood and McGee added we are serious contenders if everything breaks right and we have all picks to trade again soon. Now we need to find a guy who replaces what JB brought instead of basically being a two way larger wing away from complete. Brunson AND Siakam or someone like him, though I maybe prefer a better shooter than Pascal we probably won?t be in a position to be choosy.
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I would?ve definitely gone over the Knicks offer. Not sure I?d go all the way to 30m. The Knicks deal is descending so I guess we probably could?ve done the same, so it starts at let?s say 29.5 and becomes better as it goes on. If I?m Cuban, I do ANYTHiNG to make sure Luka doesn?t leave. If we kept Brunson with Wood and McGee added we are serious contenders if everything breaks right and we have all picks to trade again soon. Now we need to find a guy who replaces what JB brought instead of basically being a two way larger wing away from complete. Brunson AND Siakam or someone like him, though I maybe prefer a better shooter than Pascal we probably won?t be in a position to be choosy.
Is Brunson the anything to keep Luka from leaving move? I'm not sure. The Knicks treated Brunson like he was Luka, and that's hard to match. And Brunson's defense absolutely killed us vs GS. In fact, I remember that just like I remember his greatness vs the Jazz. So you're committing to your three best players, Luka, Spencer, and Brunson as guys who don't play defense. And it did eventually kill us in the playoffs.

Schroder makes sense because his role wouldn't be as big as Brunson's. I like him a lot off the bench if we can sign him.
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What if Luka and Brunson didn't get along all that well off the court? Or simply Brunson wanted his shot to run an offense as the main initiator? I don't buy into the Mavs wanting to be cheap. But I certainly can't sit here and assume stuff without also wondering those two things. There's so much that goes into a decision like this and in the end, best of luck to Brunson.
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Its the slooooow part of the off-season.

F Brunson. He's a knick now and he chose that.
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Its the slooooow part of the off-season.

F Brunson. He's a knick now and he chose that.
Still not announced but training camp is likely in 2-3 weeks

We play our first preseason game in 25 days and we?ll get at least a few days of camp before that

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Is Brunson the anything to keep Luka from leaving move? I'm not sure. The Knicks treated Brunson like he was Luka, and that's hard to match. And Brunson's defense absolutely killed us vs GS. In fact, I remember that just like I remember his greatness vs the Jazz. So you're committing to your three best players, Luka, Spencer, and Brunson as guys who don't play defense. And it did eventually kill us in the playoffs.

Schroder makes sense because his role wouldn't be as big as Brunson's. I like him a lot off the bench if we can sign him.
I wasnt seeing Brunson as the coup de grace or anything like that. I think we can still recover, mainly due to Luka. I think we would?ve been better served using our assets to try to find our second best player, preferably a big wing, along with keeping Brunson. So to me we lost our second best player, though you could call DFS that last season with little argument from me, for nothing and created a new hole to fill. We almost NEED our new #2 to be a better creator/ball handler/initiator than someone like Wiggins or OG Anonoby now that Brunson is gone. Instead of applying finishing touches to a contender we created a new problem. Im not saying resigning Brunson makes Luka staying a slam dunk. I think the Mavs losing their second or third best player for nothing, a player who was homegrown, not to mention the way it went down where we are once again left looking clueless or ill prepared, is a bad look. Too many of these situations contribute to a league wide perception of the Mavs franchise (i.e Cuban) as something or someone to be taken slightly less then seriously. And Cuban had no problem overpaying the Harrison Barnes of the world when he was desperate. All that said, maybe Brunson really wanted to be in NY and we really didn?t value him higher than 21.5. Im sure Portland doesnt value Nurkic as a 16 million dollar player. They kept him to make their star happy and to not lose an asset for nothing, while creating another hole on the roster.

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You know when it's this obvious that the Mavs sign Eric Bledsoe instead.
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