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chumdawg · 04-02-2006, 08:46 PM

Okay, if Van Horn isn't going to be able to go, then it's only more guy to be trimmed for the playoff roster.

Powell would seem to be a must-have if Van Horn is down. Do you keep Marshall or Benga? Is Daniels so nicked up that you have to keep Marshall even if you want the frontcourt depth?

Or, if Harris comes back fully healthy, does Armstrong watch this one from the bench like AJ did in '03?

Or, might the Mavs bite the bullet on Daniels and keep all three of Armstrong, Marshall, and Benga?

Or, what if Van Horn might be able to come back for a potential WCF series against the Suns, when he would doubtless be of great value if healthy? If they gamble on Van Horn in this case, does Benga then have to stay for sure?

Of course, any combination of the above scenarios complicates the deal nicely.

atrewsfan · 04-02-2006, 08:51 PM

Keep as many big men as possible. We'll possibly be going up against the likes of Duncan and Amare and Sheed and B. Wallace so we need to have as many bodies as possible to defend/foul them with. I want numbers at PF/C so it doesn't get whittled down to Dirk so quickly.

dude1394 · 04-02-2006, 08:57 PM

So how many players... I'm assuming keith is done.

1. Dirk
2. Josh
3. Jason
4. Griffin
5. Jet
6. Stack
7. Devin
8. Dampier
9. Darrell
10. DJ
11. Marquis
12. Rawle/Powell

I say Rawle is left off. If Josh/Marquis are okay, Rawle doesn't add much at all. Josh will have to pick up PF minutes.

chumdawg · 04-02-2006, 09:04 PM

I'm sure Marshall is the guy on the out looking in. But I can see a situation where it gets interesting, though. Say they want to keep KVH and they are convinced Harris is healthy and they are afraid Daniels isn't. In that case, they might drop the third point guard and keep the extra swingman, which would both DA and DJ on the bench.

orangedays · 04-02-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

So how many players... I'm assuming keith is done.

1. Dirk
2. Josh
3. Jason
4. Griffin
5. Jet
6. Stack
7. Devin
8. Dampier
9. Darrell
10. DJ
11. Marquis
12. Rawle/Powell

I say Rawle is left off. If Josh/Marquis are okay, Rawle doesn't add much at all. Josh will have to pick up PF minutes.

You left Diop off that list.

dude1394 · 04-02-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by orangedays

You left Diop off that list.

Then neither rawle/powell make it.

atrewsfan · 04-02-2006, 09:17 PM

I dunno, only 4 big men? We'd asking for trouble against the likes of Brad Miller, Camby, Amare, Duncan, the Wallaces, etc. if someone gets in foul trouble.

chumdawg · 04-02-2006, 09:19 PM

Nah. Either Benga or DA goes before Powell goes. Probably Benga, but something tells me DA might get pinched by circumstance.

V2M · 04-02-2006, 09:22 PM

Centers: Diop, Damp, DJ

We need 3 big guys for their defense, rebounding and 18 fouls.

PF: Dirk, Powell

Powell is a must with KVH presumably out for the season. May be there's a chance KVH could come back for PHX series, but I think that's too much of a risk for potentially a small gain.

SF: Josh, Grif

That's an obvious call there.

SG: Stack, Marquis (or Rawle if Marquis is not totally healthy!)

I hope Marquis gets healthy soon. If not, for the few minutes available, Rawle's probably not too bad a choice. He's a better defender at this point and he seems to play well within himself. Of course, we'll miss Marquis' passing and scoring.

PG: Terry, Devin, DA

DA is needed in the 12. We need his pesky defense on Nash & Parker even if it's only for 5-10min/game. Also, given Devin's injury problems this year, we need him as an insurance.

V2M · 04-02-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

So how many players... I'm assuming keith is done.

1. Dirk
2. Josh
3. Jason
4. Griffin
5. Jet
6. Stack
7. Devin
8. Dampier
9. Darrell
10. DJ
11. Marquis
12. Rawle/Powell

I say Rawle is left off. If Josh/Marquis are okay, Rawle doesn't add much at all. Josh will have to pick up PF minutes.

You have Terry, twice!

orangedays · 04-02-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by V2M

PF: Dirk, Powell

Powell is a must with KVH presumably out for the season. May be there's a chance KVH could come back for PHX series, but I think that's too much of a risk for potentially a small gain.

I hate to seem...business-like...in saying this but KVH's contract does expire after this season. That being the case, I don't think we're risking too much if he were to come back and play in the second round.

orangedays · 04-02-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by V2M

You have Terry, twice!

He probably meant Diop. Right dude?

So that does free up an extra spot for Powell.

atrewsfan · 04-02-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by orangedays

I hate to seem...business-like...in saying this but KVH's contract does expire after this season. That being the case, I don't think we're risking too much if he were to come back and play in the second round.

So if his face somehow fell off off his head after we won the championship with his help, who cares? That'd be a problem for him in the offseason, not us...

orangedays · 04-02-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by atrewsfan

So if his face somehow fell off off his head after we won the championship with his help, who cares? That'd be a problem for him in the offseason, not us...

Yup

dude1394 · 04-02-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by V2M

You have Terry, twice!

My list is screwed!

No wonder I couldn't get josh on there.

chumdawg · 04-02-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by orangedays

I hate to seem...business-like...in saying this but KVH's contract does expire after this season. That being the case, I don't think we're risking too much if he were to come back and play in the second round.

If he can play in the second round, I'm sure he makes the roster. If his prognosis is *maybe* the WCF, then I think you have to seriously consider taking another player instead.

DirkGoesNuclear · 04-02-2006, 10:12 PM

Didn't they change the rule such that you can make roster changes after every series? Say after the 1st round you've got 3 guys down, does the league say 'tough luck'?

V2M · 04-02-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by orangedays

I hate to seem...business-like...in saying this but KVH's contract does expire after this season. That being the case, I don't think we're risking too much if he were to come back and play in the second round.

My concern was not over KVH's health for next season but primarily from leaving out Powell or DJ or DA for an injury-prone KVH, just for the playoffs.

V2M · 04-03-2006, 01:40 AM

Sorry... double post!

bernardos70 · 04-03-2006, 02:11 AM

This is what I think:

Point-Guards:
1. Devin Harris
2. Jason Terry
3. Superspare

Shooting Guards
4. Stackhouse
5. Daniels

Small Fowards
6. Howard
7. Griffin

Power Forwards
8. Dirkster
9. Van Horn if he is healthy, Powell if he's not

Centers
10. Dampier
11. Diop
12. DJ

What seems to be the problem?

mavsfan1000 · 04-03-2006, 05:45 AM

Rawle Marshall should be left off the list.

MavsX · 04-03-2006, 07:52 PM

Ive never been more confused than i am right now with this post.

TheBlueVan · 04-03-2006, 11:48 PM

what happens if we pick up kemp/laettner?

powells got to be the odd man out

Tokey41 · 04-04-2006, 12:30 AM

Dirk
Jet
Howard
Daniels
Stack
Harris
Damp
Diop
DA
Griff
Powell
Kemp/Rawle (i'd say Kemp if we get him)

I dont see a problem here... its just a shame KVH wont be on that list

NewMexiMav · 04-05-2006, 02:51 PM

I'm probably still drunkenly optimistic after Josh Powell's eye-opening performance against the Queens, but I don't think you want to waste a playoff roster spot on KVH unless you are relatively certain that he will return to the line-up no later than Game 1 of the conference semi's. Any later than that and the risk of not having that extra big body on the front line outweighs any reward KVH could bring in the WCF or beyond. Ya gotta get through the Rounds 1 and 2 first!

dude1394 · 04-05-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NewMexiMav

I'm probably still drunkenly optimistic after Josh Powell's eye-opening performance against the Queens, but I don't think you want to waste a playoff roster spot on KVH unless you are relatively certain that he will return to the line-up no later than Game 1 of the conference semi's. Any later than that and the risk of not having that extra big body on the front line outweighs any reward KVH could bring in the WCF or beyond. Ya gotta get through the Rounds 1 and 2 first!

We have to get through round 2! End of story... Round 1 we can get through with what's out there right now. Round 2 is the WCF's and we will need to bring it brotha'... If KVH can't help there and you can pick up someone who can, you have to do it.

mavsfan1000 · 04-05-2006, 06:01 PM

Nothing would be worse than Keith Van Horn just returning from injury in round 2 and screwing us up. I'd say leave him off.

kriD · 04-08-2006, 02:51 AM

Mavs trust Johnson to make right moves with rotation

By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News

SAN ANTONIO – Adrian Griffin's return to action – either tonight or Monday – means some decision-making for Avery Johnson.

Griffin is listed as a game-time decision for New Orleans' visit to American Airlines Center. If he doesn't play tonight, he will Monday in Los Angeles against the Clippers.

Getting a player back who has started 42 of the 47 games he's played in will require Johnson to determine which lineup is best heading into the playoffs.

"The team trusts my judgment to make the best decision," he said. "We were at our best when Adrian Griffin was starting at small forward. We were pretty special, and Stack was coming off the bench."

Jerry Stackhouse has been starting while Griffin has been out with a strained right hamstring.

"Whatever he decides is fine," Stackhouse said of Johnson. "He's going to do what's best for the team. We all know that."

No change at center: While Johnson hinted that the starting lineup will change before the playoffs, any alteration will not come at center.

DeSagana Diop has been struggling of late, with Erick Dampier being the sharper of the two centers.

"But we like where Damp is," Johnson said. "And we like where DeSagana is, too."

MVP fever: The MVP race is getting down to the nitty-gritty, and Dirk Nowitzki may be gaining ground late in the season.

Part of the reason, Johnson believes, is because Nowitzki has not missed a game all season.

"I think it's got to count for something," Johnson said. "And he's consistently good. He may not have the 60-point games or whatever. But he's consistently good at what he does, and that should weigh for something."

Harris back in a week: Devin Harris continues to make progress in recovering from a strained left thigh. The game plan is for Harris to play in the last two or three games of the regular season.

"That gives us our best shot at getting him back healthy mentally and physically and ready to play," Johnson said.

nashtymavsfan13 · 04-08-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kriD

Mavs trust Johnson to make right moves with rotation

Harris back in a week: Devin Harris continues to make progress in recovering from a strained left thigh. The game plan is for Harris to play in the last two or three games of the regular season.

"That gives us our best shot at getting him back healthy mentally and physically and ready to play," Johnson said.

This is really good to hear

mary · 04-11-2006, 11:57 AM

According to hoopshype, playoff rosters have been expanded to 13.

Only 12 can be active, but you are now allowed to have 1 deactivated player before each game.

Playoff rosters are due next Thursday.

I tried posting a link, but my computer froze and all hell broke loose.

orangedays · 04-11-2006, 12:18 PM

NBA Expands Playoff Rosters (Linkage)

NEW YORK, April 11, 2006 – The National Basketball Association announced today that the league’s Board of Governors has approved the expansion of playoff rosters for the 2006 NBA Playoffs.

In the past, teams carried 12-man rosters during the playoffs. This year, teams will be allowed to carry 13-man playoff rosters although only twelve players will be eligible to play in each playoff game. Teams will be required to deactivate one player prior to each game.

NBA teams will have until 3 p.m. ET on Thursday, April 20 to file their 13-man playoff roster with the league office.

kriD · 04-11-2006, 12:33 PM

Mavs relieved as NBA expands playoff rosters

By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News

A possible roster issue for the Mavericks has been resolved by the NBA, which on Tuesday announced that playoff rosters were being increased from 12 to 13 players.

The move means that the Mavericks won't have to leave one healthy player off their playoff roster. With Keith Van Horn and Pavel Podkolzin injured, the Mavericks expect to have 13 healthy bodies.

Under the old, 12-man format, somebody would have had to be left off the roster.

With the new setup, one player will have to be deactivated before each playoff game. Only 12 players will be allowed to suit up.

The only concern for the Mavericks would be if Van Horn becomes healthy enough to merit consideration as the 13th player. He is recovering from hand surgery and it's conceivable he could be ready to play if the Mavericks reached the Western Conference finals or NBA Finals.

The Mavericks have until 2 p.m. April 20 to finalize their playoff roster.

NewMexiMav · 04-11-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kriD

The only concern for the Mavericks would be if Van Horn becomes healthy enough to merit consideration as the 13th player. He is recovering from hand surgery and it's conceivable he could be ready to play if the Mavericks reached the Western Conference finals or NBA Finals.

Assuming a healthy return for Harris and Griffin, if the doctors believe KVH could return at any time in the playoff run, I'd use the 13th roster spot for him and leave Rawle off the active roster.