Would you do this deal? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

MFFL · 02-19-2002, 01:45 PM

Let's have a loyalty test.

This is purely fictional and does not take into account the salary cap. Suppose the Lakers contacted us and wanted to trade Shaq for Dirk. We would be almost GUARANTEED a championship. The kicker is that Shaq will retire after 2 years.

Do you do the trade?

djb · 02-19-2002, 01:48 PM

Stop it my head's starting to hurt.

Murphy3 · 02-19-2002, 01:50 PM

definitely a though one..
it's a no brainer if you don't throw the "shaq will retire in 2 years".

it kinda depends on whether or not you think dirk can bring the mavs more championships than that.

throw out the "shaq will retire in 2 years" and i say yes, immediately take the deal

but i think dirk is going to be something truly special over the next 12-15 years..very possibly bringing the mavs more than 1 championship.

also, is trading dirk to L.A. a good thing? How potent is that offense with Dirk and Kobe? could the lakers then realistically still be favored to beat the mavs?..probably not....guess i just answered my own question

Murphy3 · 02-19-2002, 01:53 PM

the question is..do you want to forfeit the future by giving yourself a better shot at a championship now.
do you think dirk has the chance to take the mavs to the next level?
I actually do believe he will be widely regarded as a top 1-3 guy in the NBA in a couple of years...but shaq is the most dominant player i've ever seen down low

djb · 02-19-2002, 01:55 PM

If it guarantees a pair of rings for the Mavs, then I'd probably do it. But since there are no guarantees in life, I'd probably much rather stick it out with Dirk for the next 10-15 and see what happens.

Murphy3 · 02-19-2002, 01:58 PM

of course, dj..there is no such thing as a guarantee.
I really can't wait to see what kind of numbers dirk puts up for his career. By the time his career ends, he will probably be the best mavs player ever...
but, shaq would be a unique opportunity to have the best player in the league on the mavs team right now

Joe Joe · 02-19-2002, 01:59 PM

Screw that, hell you can have Dirk shit take Fin with him. Nash and Shaq=championship. Screw loyalty, if they wanted a ring now instead of later you do the trade. Shaq=WINNER This is a no brainer, whoever wouldn't do the deal is not thinking straight. Hell I love Dirks game, but Shaq is about 5 levels above the guy. Shaq will bring you 2 rings, and Dirk will bring you none. Do the deal, screw the guys future. How guys are coming into the league these days, there will be another like him. No doubt do the deal.

Joe Joe · 02-19-2002, 02:01 PM

Shaq=guaranteed RING. No doubt about it, the guy would bring us 2 rings.

djb · 02-19-2002, 02:01 PM

Dirk may indeed end up being the best Mavs player ever, but I'm still unsure if he'll ever become the dominant force we all envision. Trade him for Shaq, win a championship, then ship Shaq off to Memphis for Gasol and Battier [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Murphy3 · 02-19-2002, 02:02 PM

i think your use of the "s" word violates the terms of service...but i'm not personally offended.

like i said...I would probably do the deal...but would hate mortgaging the mavs future....a future in which dirk could possibly bring championships to dallas...losing a guy that would be among the very elite in the NBA for the next 12-15 years...that would be hard to swallow

Murphy3 · 02-19-2002, 02:03 PM

actually, i don't think there's any guarantee that shaq would bring the mavs 2 rings.

nellie would bench shaq for wang because wang has the better outside shot and shaq would prematurely retire

in case you're wondering..this is a joke

grbh · 02-19-2002, 02:03 PM

I do it in a heartbeat. I think a team should do any deal if it would move them to favorite to win it all. Even if for just a couple years. Think about it, this would be the best team the Mavs have had in their history. There are no guarantees they could ever get that good with Dirk. If you get an opportunity for the title then you have to take it. Even at the risk of sacrificing the future.
It would hurt to lose Dirk, but I trust Cuban's money, and Nellie's mind to rebuild this team pretty quickly after Shaq's retirement.

Murphy3 · 02-19-2002, 02:05 PM

yeah..like i said..i would have to do it..but with a very, very heavy heart

Drbio · 02-19-2002, 02:39 PM

There is no way I do that deal as long as the Shaq is gone in two years addendum is attached. Remove that and I spend a few sleepless nights struggling with the call.

Doc

TheKid · 02-19-2002, 03:42 PM

I would have done it until you said he would retire in two years.. Knowing that Dirk is probably going to be around for atleast another five (barring injury)and playing at an extremely high level would make me believe we have a "chance" at winning a title or maybe many of them. Knowing Shaq would only come here for two years win two and he'd be out, I don't know... Now trade Shaq for Dirk without that potential of retirement, it's a done deal.

Joe Joe · 02-19-2002, 03:49 PM

I don't see how Dirk's name is even mentioned in a trade for Shaq head up. Well for that matter, I don't see how anyones name is mentioned in a head up trade. I know this is not for real, but you it should've been Dirk and SOMEONE for Shaq. I think any team in the league would trade there 2 best players for the guy with the exception of Boston, Sacramento, and maybe Philly.

MFFL · 02-19-2002, 03:53 PM

The Lakers might trade Shaq if he only had 2 years left, but that's not the point. The point was whether it's worth giving up a fan favorite to get a championship.

To me it's a no-brainer, get the championship and then reload and try again.

KEVIN_NY · 02-19-2002, 04:12 PM

Ok, so everyone so far agrees to do it. Now let me throw in a revised version of the trade: Lakers ship Shaq and Fisher to Mavs for Dirk AND Nash, and Shaq retires in two years. Do you do it? 5 seconds.

The key issue is: Can (Shaq, Filey, Howard) beats (Kobe, Dirk, Nash), this year and next year in a 7 game series?

TheKid · 02-19-2002, 05:34 PM

Shaq and ANYONE can beat anyone in a seven game series. The point has been proven, look at the lakers record this year without Shaq 7-10. Of those seven wins, only two are against playoff caliber teams. Kobe still dominates which he would if he was on a team without Shaq of course, but it just goes to show you, Shaq opens it up for EVERYONE else.