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EricaLubarsky · 09-30-2015, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@espn_macmahon: Rick Carlisle says Sam Dalembert needs to get in better shape. Not a great sign for a guy with chance to compete for starting job.

McGee is injured
Dalembert is out of shape

Looks like Zaza is going to be our starter for the first 20-30 games

Javale McGeeber · 09-30-2015, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

McGee is injured

Depends on what your definition of is is. I practiced yesterday, and the only thing they told me was "no free throw line dunks and no pulling a Vince Carter on sleeping Sammy."

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-30-2015, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

McGee is injured
Dalembert is out of shape

Looks like Zaza is going to be our starter for the first 20-30 games

I think players should be fined for coming into camp out of shape. No excuse for that unless you're injured.

Thebo · 09-30-2015, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

No excuse for that unless you're injured.

... or your name is Felton.

rimrocker · 09-30-2015, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

McGee is injured
Dalembert is out of shape

Looks like Zaza is going to be our starter for the first 20-30 games

I like Zaza and love Dirk but hate the thought of those two playing heavy minutes together.

I hope like hell Mejri can be a factor and take Dalembert's spot on the roster if he is uninterested.

EricaLubarsky · 09-30-2015, 09:53 PM

Less than a week until game one of the preseason

chumdawg · 10-01-2015, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@espn_macmahon: Rick Carlisle says Sam Dalembert needs to get in better shape. Not a great sign for a guy with chance to compete for starting job.

Yeah? I bet Rick Carlisle's mom needs to get in better shape.

EricaLubarsky · 10-03-2015, 10:50 PM

Anyone going gorge blue/white scrimmage?

EricaLubarsky · 10-10-2015, 01:10 PM

538 statisticians predict a 41-41 season

Sounds about right, but is just about the worst we could do-- no playoff seed and no draft pick
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/n...ricks-preview/

rimrocker · 10-12-2015, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

538 statisticians predict a 41-41 season

Sounds about right, but is just about the worst we could do-- no playoff seed and no draft pick
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/n...ricks-preview/

I love Dirk and want him to play until he's 50 but the strategy of putting a good veteran team around him until he retires needs to end. Even if we had our pick we'd still be drafting in the 14-22 range with that record and that won't get us much other than what we currently have.

We'll be damn lucky if anyone even comes close to being all-star material on this team this season. We are starving for a star but the current strategy has very little chance of yielding us one.

Building a team to compete for a championship is one thing but building one to compete for the 8th seed is another.
I predict we will be in a position to be sellers at TDL.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-12-2015, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I love Dirk and want him to play until he's 50 but the strategy of putting a good veteran team around him until he retires needs to end. Even if we had our pick we'd still be drafting in the 14-22 range with that record and that won't get us much other than what we currently have.

We'll be damn lucky if anyone even comes close to being all-star material on this team this season. We are starving for a star but the current strategy has very little chance of yielding us one.

Building a team to compete for a championship is one thing but building one to compete for the 8th seed is another.
I predict we will be in a position to be sellers at TDL.

Thing is that Dirk accepted a large pay cut for that very purpose.

The FO has tried to leap frog back into the championship window, but I just think that's been more of a pipe dream the last few seasons. I'm actually OK with a mediocre team as long as half the team doesn't sit on the damn injured list all season long.

EricaLubarsky · 10-12-2015, 10:53 AM

I'm not sure building a competitive team is even possible. There are a lot of teams looking to go bankrupt trying to compete for all the talent out there-- perhaps as many teams trying to be good as ever before-- and a LOT of teams who will be better than us no matter what (SAS, GSW, OKC, LAC, CLE, etc.) Unless you get a superstar, you just don't have the core to compete.

Dirk was that core but isn't anymore and another star like him doesn't come around often. Parsons/Matthews are great complementary players, but aren't going to carry you.

rimrocker · 10-12-2015, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Thing is that Dirk accepted a large pay cut for that very purpose.

The FO has tried to leap frog back into the championship window, but I just think that's been more of a pipe dream the last few seasons. I'm actually OK with a mediocre team as long as half the team doesn't sit on the damn injured list all season long.

But how long do we need to accommodate Dirk?
I get the whole loyalty to Dirk stuff but at some point we will need to start moving forward even if that means taking a huge step back. I'm sure he'd be the first to agree.
Doesn't mean he has to retire but will need to take on more of a mentor role with youth as the team begins the rebuild process.

I agree with Erica that Matthews and Parsons are nice complementary pieces but just don't see them elevating into anything even close to Dirk status.

Considering the youth of the top teams of the WC, I see this as the perfect time to start rebuilding. The star players on those teams will age about the same time and that is when we should aim to have our pieces in place. Those teams will be the ones decaying (like we are now) and then we could have a better opportunity to attract star quality FAs.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-12-2015, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

But how long do we need to accommodate Dirk?
I get the whole loyalty to Dirk stuff but at some point we will need to start moving forward even if that means taking a huge step back. I'm sure he'd be the first to agree.
Doesn't mean he has to retire but will need to take on more of a mentor role with youth as the team begins the rebuild process.

I agree with Erica that Matthews and Parsons are nice complementary pieces but just don't see them elevating into anything even close to Dirk status.

Considering the youth of the top teams of the WC, I see this as the perfect time to start rebuilding. The star players on those teams will age about the same time and that is when we should aim to have our pieces in place. Those teams will be the ones decaying (like we are now) and then we could have a better opportunity to attract star quality FAs.

The FO will move on from that path when Dirk retires which means after next season. It is what it is. I'm fine watching the Uber shoot himself ahead of Shaq into the sunset.

I just hope Dirk doesn't regress anymore than he already has, but it looks like that may be the case. He can probably still muster up 15 ppg on good shooting percentages.

EricaLubarsky · 10-12-2015, 05:06 PM

Dirk
Parsons
Matthews
Williams
Powell
McGee

All didn't travel. Apparently Felton was also held back with no reason given (health? Trade? Heading toward being waived? Just a veteran day off?)

OKC game is going to look a lot like the first two games. Hopefully we will at least show some chemistry and talent.

BPo001 · 10-12-2015, 06:42 PM

Pretty sure I read Felton got hurt in practice the other day. Might have been a hamstring?

*edit* Dwain Price: #Mavs PG Raymond Felton left practice today with a mild strained hamstring. That brings the number of injured players up to 8.
2 days ago – via Twitter DwainPrice

Injuries, Raymond Felton, Dallas Mavericks

Vinsanity · 10-12-2015, 08:32 PM

Looks like we're looking at Larry Sanders.

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2015/10...nt-center-sign

Can't knock the idea. We should be desperate for any help at center. If he can get his head straight we might have a legit rim protector. I'd cut Dalembert in a heartbeat to bring this guy in. A healthy and motivated center duo of Sanders and McGee is better than what we had last year. Not to mention ZaZa.

Underdog · 10-12-2015, 08:51 PM

‏@espn_macmahon: Multiple Mavs sources say they have nothing brewing with Larry Sanders. But they'd be in front of line if he wanted to play ball again.

spreedom · 10-12-2015, 10:43 PM

There is absolutely no reason not to roll the dice on Larry Sanders.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-12-2015, 10:51 PM

Desperate times at center call for desperate measures. If the guy genuinely wasn't happy playing basketball for 10 mil a year, then I don't see why that would change. Guess it doesn't hurt to try, but we really don't need another Rondo/Odom.

mac222b · 10-13-2015, 01:24 AM

I'm going to sound like a broken record...but that stacked draft class in which we passed on Greek Freak and Gobert for Larkin and ten bucks worth of cap space is gonna haunt this franchise for years. Cuban really screwed the pooch to death on that one.

mac222b · 10-13-2015, 01:26 AM

And yes by all means Larry Sanders. Highest upside guy available, by far.

EricaLubarsky · 10-13-2015, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I'm going to sound like a broken record...but that stacked draft class in which we passed on Greek Freak and Gobert for Larkin and ten bucks worth of cap space is gonna haunt this franchise for years. Cuban really screwed the pooch to death on that one.

That was an AWFUL draft. Good lord. Not a single star in the bunch. The only stars that may ever come out of that draft are long-term development guys like Gobert and Giannis. Who will ever be a good NBa player for years to come? Dieng? Olynyk? That's like three out of 60 guys.

In a normal draft, we'd only have about a 1/5 chance of securing a star and 1/3 chance of getting a solid role player. In that draft, it must have been about a 0% chance at a star and a 1/25 chance at getting a solid role player. Just an awful draft year.

rimrocker · 10-13-2015, 09:48 AM

I'm on board with Sanders.
If Mavs are continuing to go down the path of trying to stay competitive (opposed to rebuilding) then these are the moves they will be forced to make.

Absolutely nothing to lose at this point even if he turns out to be another Odom/Rondo.

sefant77 · 10-13-2015, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I'm going to sound like a broken record...but that stacked draft class in which we passed on Greek Freak and Gobert for Larkin and ten bucks worth of cap space is gonna haunt this franchise for years. Cuban really screwed the pooch to death on that one.

The sad thing was that Donnie was ready to take Giannis and Cuban went for the stupid 100k cap space...

Ah and looks like we dropped the ball again. Portis at #22 right after Anderson looks like a giant freaking steal. But hey, not that we are in the need for a great PF prospect. Better to go for the 2737th times after the "Wade light" type...

EricaLubarsky · 10-13-2015, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

The sad thing was that Donnie was ready to take Giannis and Cuban went for the stupid 100k cap space...

Ah and looks like we dropped the ball again. Portis at #22 right after Anderson looks like a giant freaking steal. But hey, not that we are in the need for a great PF prospect. Better to go for the 2737th times after the "Wade light" type...

Anderson has played 43 minutes in pre-season without the benefit of playing with any starters and he's already a bust?

Dude is all about defense and shooting the three and has mediocre handles and yet is a Wade clone a la Ager?

Give me a break.

sefant77 · 10-13-2015, 10:45 AM

Nope, just telling Portis looks like a steal

Bryan_Wilson · 10-13-2015, 01:47 PM

I think JA would smell like roses too if he was playing with 2 all star caliber players and a competent supporting cast. I highly doubt Portis would look anywhere near as good on the boards or have near as much space if his fellow front court mate was Sammy D and his other primary player was John Jenkins or CV3.

--Edit--

Not saying JA is better than Portis just saying their situations couldn't be much further apart.

rimrocker · 10-13-2015, 05:02 PM

Haven't heard much about Okafor this year...is he done?

ocelot_ark · 10-13-2015, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

That was an AWFUL draft. Good lord. Not a single star in the bunch. The only stars that may ever come out of that draft are long-term development guys like Gobert and Giannis. Who will ever be a good NBa player for years to come? Dieng? Olynyk? That's like three out of 60 guys.

In a normal draft, we'd only have about a 1/5 chance of securing a star and 1/3 chance of getting a solid role player. In that draft, it must have been about a 0% chance at a star and a 1/25 chance at getting a solid role player. Just an awful draft year.

I get what you're saying, but none of that should apply to a then-18 year old Giannis. He might not be a STAR yet, but he's only 20 and going into his 3rd year. Dude's a freak that is still growing. Really wish we had picked him up. If nothing else, he'd have been fantastic trade fodder.

Of course, I've been pretty open about my disappointment that they didn't draft Portis this year. Talk about value. He's going to have a long career, do a lot of dirty work, and be someone that can score from inside and out for you. And he's tough. And he takes pride in his still improving defense. Still rooting for Anderson, of course, but really think the Mavs will look dumb (like many NBA teams) for passing on Portis.

jayC · 10-16-2015, 05:00 PM

Season hinges on a bunch of maybes if Deron Williams can regain superstar status. If Chandler Parsons and Wesley Mathews can live up to there contracts. I think we will just miss the playoffs and win 46 games.

Melonhead · 10-17-2015, 10:56 AM

What's up with Ndour? Was excited when we signed him but haven't watched preseason. I saw TM post that he suspects he won't make the final roster.

Bryan_Wilson · 10-17-2015, 12:00 PM

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What's up with Ndour? Was excited when we signed him but haven't watched preseason. I saw TM post that he suspects he won't make the final roster.

I don't want to bag on the guy because IMO all the young players are being put in a pretty shitty spot at the end of these games with no ball handler and little to no veteran help, unless you want to count the invaluable leadership of Sammy(seek immediate medical help if you do). Especially these last 2 games where they are playing deep teams with vets. Having said that... Ndour at times has looked flat out terrible. I've seen him throw passes at peoples feet and 5 feet over their head. He plays out of control a lot to me also. He has an intriguing frame and is ridic long and has hops but he should not make this roster he is just too raw and if we are trying to compete we can only have so many players on the roster being developed/stashed.

If what RC said is true and we are planning to keep Felton then at this point IMO roster locks are-

Dirk, Parsons, Matthews, Dwill, Zaza, JJ, Harris, Anderson, Evans, CV3, Jenkins, Felton

I want to put Powell there too but just for discussion I'll leave him off since he hasn't seen the court. And I'm in the camp that thinks CV3 is a lock because he's light years better than the d-leaguers being put out there. And Evans has looked good to me, especially his help on the boards. 3 spots available and players to fill would be Mejri, McGee, Powell, Dalembert Ndour. We need a big who can play so Mejri or Daly has to make it(I hope Mejri) and I personally like Powell and ppl want young players to develop he's much further along than Ndour. And I prefer project Mcgee to project Ndour and even if I didn't I'd want a 3rd big over Ndour if my goal is competing. I don't see him making the roster personally. I also used to hate the idea of keeping felton over a young player but after watching how far away ndour is and not seeing dwill for one second I think we prolly do need that extra pg and he is still the only non minimum salary that is also expendable for us in trade scenarios going forward.

Underdog · 10-17-2015, 12:17 PM

Unless Dalembert starts showing signs of life, I'm guessing this is going to be our roster:

Deron/Barea/Felton
Wes/Harris/Jenkins
Parsons/Evans/Anderson
Dirk/Charlie/Powell
Zaza/McGee/Mejri

Bryan_Wilson · 10-17-2015, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Unless Dalembert starts showing signs of life, I'm guessing this is going to be our roster:

Deron/Barea/Felton
Wes/Harris/Jenkins
Parsons/Evans/Anderson
Dirk/Charlie/Powell
Zaza/McGee/Mejri

This is my thought as well.

Quetzalcoatl · 10-17-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Unless Dalembert starts showing signs of life, I'm guessing this is going to be our roster:

Deron/Barea/Felton
Wes/Harris/Jenkins
Parsons/Evans/Anderson
Dirk/Charlie/Powell
Zaza/McGee/Mejri

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This is my thought as well.

And my thought

Vinsanity · 10-17-2015, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Unless Dalembert starts showing signs of life, I'm guessing this is going to be our roster:

Deron/Barea/Felton
Wes/Harris/Jenkins
Parsons/Evans/Anderson
Dirk/Charlie/Powell
Zaza/McGee/Mejri

Yup, this will likely be the roster. I'm still not a believer in Mejri but Dalembert looks like garbage so far. Plus Rick hates him. We really just need McGee to get healthy and then him and Zaza should split the minutes equally at the center position... then we won't have to worry about playing Mejri or Sammy

EricaLubarsky · 10-17-2015, 06:35 PM

Dalembert should be the better center, but between his chronic inability to catch a pass and his weight making him less mobile than even Dirk, he's just a stiff. Offenses targeted him and he could do anything. Didn't even box out for boards that well.

Mejri apparently recovering from a broken leg and has a bruised shoulder/arm but is still playing better than him. Needs to learn to rebound/block-out for boards, but he consistently provided the kind of help defensively we needed and at 7'2", he just had the size we needed. Even caught some passes, but just didn't finish.

EricaLubarsky · 10-18-2015, 04:24 PM

N'Dour with "stress reaction" in leg and oh indefinitely
D-Will out at least until season opener with calf issues
Felton back healthy.
JJB earned a night off tomorrow
No setbacks for Matthews. Still doing full-contact
Parsons and McGee practicing but not contact

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-18-2015, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

N'Dour with "stress reaction" in leg and oh indefinitely
D-Will out at least until season opener with calf issues
Felton back healthy.
JJB earned a night off tomorrow
No setbacks for Matthews. Still doing full-contact
Parsons and McGee practicing but not contact

I knew injuries would plague this season, but I didn't think it would be like this so early.

Really sucks for N'Dour who likely won't make the team now.