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WurzburgBorn · 02-20-2007, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsman

I guess somebody forgot to stick the "Don't drink and drivel!"-Post-It to Tony Mejia's laptop. Here's what he and his genius came up with:

Okay, Tony, so Dirk said that "the media is always going to blow things out of proportion." Claiming he said that "the media constantly makes stuff up" could be called "blowing things out of proportion", don't you think? Does your brain hurt now?

That's damn funny

rmacomic · 02-21-2007, 01:23 AM

Honestly, how is this a feud? "Two players ignore each other"
Ooooh it's on. You ignored me. Only after you ignored me.
Was it two players fighting it out at midcourt or two players spiting on each other after a dunk?
No it was two guys, who don't like the other, not talking.
This is not a feud. It's the media not having anything to write about.
Stupid.

LRB · 02-21-2007, 02:13 AM

The first time DWhistle even thinks about driving the lane Thursday, Dirk needs to take a hard foul and put Diva on his sorry crybaby ass. No phantom foul, nothing dirty, just a clean, hard foul. Hard enough though that DWhistle won't even be able to think about flopping. Don't say anything, don't stare, just walk away like you just took the garbage out.

bernardos70 · 02-21-2007, 11:39 AM

Technically, that's exactly what he would have done.

WurzburgBorn · 02-21-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LRB

The first time DWhistle even thinks about driving the lane Thursday, Dirk needs to take a hard foul and put Diva on his sorry crybaby ass. No phantom foul, nothing dirty, just a clean, hard foul. Hard enough though that DWhistle won't even be able to think about flopping. Don't say anything, don't stare, just walk away like you just took the garbage out.

I'd prefer someone a little more expendable do it, as they will most likely get hit with a flagrant 1 at the least.

LRB · 02-21-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WurzburgBorn

I'd prefer someone a little more expendable do it, as they will most likely get hit with a flagrant 1 at the least.

It won't be the same if someone else does it, and Dirk can well afford a flagrant 1. The point is a clean, but hard foul. This sends the message that Dirk doesn't take Sh!t off of no one, even precious wuddle Diva.

DavidSternRiggedTheFinals · 02-21-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDiggler

Dirk saying that the Mavs "gave" the series away and the Heat didn't "win" is a slap in the face. \

Hey guess what, when your up 2-0 in the finals with homecourt advantage it IS giving it away.

Also when dirk said the mavs gave away the series, he meant that his team let d-wade make a comeback he is capable at making by not playing solid D on him. So d-wade IS startin shit 4 no reazon

DAVID STERN RIGGED THE FINALS!

mav4ever · 02-21-2007, 11:14 PM

well now wade has an excuse for tommorow night.

this is no joke: they just took him off the court in houston in a wheelchair,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,with an arm injury.

mogwai · 02-21-2007, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mav4ever

well now wade has an excuse for tommorow night.

this is no joke: they just took him off the court in houston in a wheelchair,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,with an arm injury.

Yeah... an arm injury... and he didn't take a hit, he didn't fall, he didn't do anything that appeared out of the ordinary for normal, physical play. He tried to make a defensive play on the ball and got his arm pushed out of the way, and that injured him so badly that he had to be carted off like an invalid.

I think he's just afraid of putting his money where his mouth is tomorrow night against the Mavs!

mav4ever · 02-21-2007, 11:25 PM

i was a little surprised they didnt roll him out to the free throw line.

dude1394 · 02-21-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mav4ever

well now wade has an excuse for tommorow night.

this is no joke: they just took him off the court in houston in a wheelchair,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,with an arm injury.

Hardest working man in the NBA..

dude1394 · 02-21-2007, 11:39 PM

So the announcers are saying the diva heats are saying "why us, why us, why us?". Well when you make those deals with the devil, karma is a beeyatch.

mav4ever · 02-21-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

So the announcers are saying the diva heats are saying "why us, why us, why us?". Well when you make those deals with the devil, karma is a beeyatch.

yup, karma sucks, unless you have good karma, but ive never heard of that.

EricaLubarsky · 02-21-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bernardos70

Technically, that's exactly what he would have done.

you foul him hard once, twice three times and then you gotta think about team fouls and personal fouls. After that we were trying to defend him without touching him. It wasn't that we weren't playing him hard.

kriD · 02-22-2007, 07:33 AM

The silent treatment

Wade, Dirk all quiet after exchange

By ART GARCIA
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER

As if tonight's Mavericks-Heat duel needed more subplots, the best player on one team called out the best player on the other because he disrespected his team.

Got that?

In the two weeks since Dwyane Wade bashed Dirk Nowitzki's leadership skills, a war of words never really revved up. (Not counting Mark Cuban's blog, of course.)

The two sneaker-wearing principals tried their best to move on. Sort of.

Though they've talked about the respect each holds for the other, Nowitzki and Wade didn't shake hands or acknowledge one another during the All-Star Game despite both being on the floor for the opening tip.

Don't expect a Magic Johnson-Isiah Thomas pregame kiss tonight.

Wade injured his left shoulder Wednesday night at Houston and won't suit up for Miami's only regular-season visit to American Airlines Center, site of the Heat's championship coronation last June 20.

"We all know that the last time they were on this floor they won, not just a game, the championship," Mavs coach Avery Johnson said. "It doesn't sit too well with any of us, but we can't do anything about that right now."

Nowitzki and Wade may make nice at some point. Or they may not. Either way, one won't be putting the other in his "Fave 5" any time soon.

Even if they don't like each other now, both superstars are too smart to let any more venom spill into the press. They've joined the mutual admiration society, extolling the virtues of the other team.

"No question," Wade said during All-Star weekend. "You've got to respect a team that, first of all, gets to the Finals and battled with each other for six games. It could have gone either way. It just so happens we came up with the right plays to win ballgames."

Nowitzki never disagreed.

"They beat us in the Finals," he said. "If I say we feel like we lost the championship, I never meant to disrespect him or the Miami Heat. Obviously, they did a great job on us. Otherwise they wouldn't have beat us.

"They got hot from Game 3 on. Dwyane was great. He carried them all the way to the championship, but we still didn't do enough to win. I didn't say all that to disrespect him or his team."

Balancing that line hasn't been easy for the Mavs, at least that's the way it's been perceived in South Florida. The Mavs, to a man, do feel they gave away the championship.

"We definitely feel like we feel," Jason Terry said with a long pause. "They feel like they feel. I almost said a little something right there. It's a game we want to win."

How many teams that fall short on the ultimate stage don't have regrets? Looking back at what could have been isn't unique to the Mavs.

Heat coach Pat Riley understands where the Mavs are coming from. As coach of the L.A. Lakers, Riley said they "choked away" the title to Boston in 1984.

"We always felt we should have won that year, and we voiced it," he said. "But we didn't [win]. Came back next year and won it. But I'm sure [the Mavs are] just voicing the fact that they feel like they should have won. That's all."

And how they lost is just as hard on them. Three of the Heat's wins were decided by a total of six points.

"To be so close in the games that we lost," Devin Harris said, "a few things change and we definitely could have won. Definitely, it's in the back of everybody's mind."

The Heat has always remained front and center. Nowitzki and Terry circled the two Miami games when the schedule was released.

The Mavs won at Miami last month against a team without Shaquille O'Neal and Riley. Both have returned, with Riley on the sideline for the first time in seven weeks at Houston.

Tonight won't be just any other night.

"It's a big game," Nowitzki conceded. "We're not going to lie about it. The way the Finals went was a very disappointing loss to Miami."

Who can argue?

V2M · 02-22-2007, 09:43 AM

While the irony of it is Wade & Dirk are saying the same thing...

Me thinks... they're both wrong! The real culprit is none other than... *drum rolls please*... the one and only "Mr. Salvatore"!!

kriD · 02-22-2007, 02:04 PM

Wade just doing some defending

11:16 AM CST on Thursday, February 22, 2007
[By David Moore / The Dallas Morning News]

If you're Dwyane Wade it's hard to know what to make of the Mavericks.

Here's a team that did little to stop you with a championship on the line. Now, all it does is chip away at what you and Miami did to win the title.

No one should be surprised that Wade lashed out at Dirk Nowitzki and the Mavericks in the days leading up to the All-Star break.

The only surprise is that it took him that long.

"When you talk about guys winning a championship and saying it's not this, it's not that, that's your legacy, man," Wade said. "To win a championship in any sport is the hardest thing. For somebody to try to take that away from you, it hurts.

"I just got tired hearing a lot of riff raff about our championship, which, you can't win four games in a row and it not be the other team. It had to be us. They didn't give us four games in a row."

Latent hostility is part of any true rivalry. We've seen that seep to the surface as the Mavericks and Heat meet tonight at American Airlines Center. Wade, who stayed at a Houston hospital Wednesday night, will not play after dislocating his left shoulder.

The Mavericks haven't gone out of their way to disparage the defending world champions. But to a man, the Mavericks believe the best team did not win in the Finals. Nowitzki and his teammates feel they gave the championship away.

"Well, if you gave it away, then that just shows you weren't ready," Miami's Shaquille O'Neal said.

"They didn't give it away. We beat them fair and square."

Wade's performance against the Mavericks didn't validate his stardom, but it launched him to another level. His average of 39.2 points and 8.2 rebounds over the final four games of the Finals is the stuff of NBA legend.

His career is on the rise, but Wade must feel as if the Mavericks are trying to drag him down. They point to the free throw discrepancy in the final two games of the series – Wade 46 attempts, the Mavericks 48 – and insinuate he was bailed out by the officials. Their talk of losing the title gives Miami no credit for winning it.

This is about respect. The Mavericks haven't given Wade and the Heat much of it.

That's why Wade claimed the Mavericks lost in the Finals because Nowitzki wasn't the leader he's supposed to be in the closing moments of close games. He didn't back off those statements during All-Star Weekend in Las Vegas.

"We won the championship last year," Wade said. "You never read about us saying anything about Dallas. We took our championship. We earned our championship.

"A lot of things came back from Dallas, from Dirk, about our championship. So me, I took that as a hit against our team. I responded for our team.

"I have nothing against Dirk. I have nothing against their team. They're having a great season. They're having the best season in a long time. They're the best team right now in the league."

Right now, it's not close. Miami has 18 fewer victories than the Mavericks. Wade, third in the league in scoring with an average of 28.8 points, is a rare bright spot in a Heat season characterized by injuries and indifference.

"No question it's tough to defend. I mean, I think it's even tougher than winning that first one. I know I have to be there for our team to succeed."

A big part of Wade's game is getting to the free throw line. His average of 11.1 attempts leads the NBA. No other player is up to 10.

Players and coaches around the league have taken the lead of Mavericks owner Mark Cuban on this one. The contention is all you have to do is breathe on Wade to send him to the free throw line.

Wade calls this criticism a compliment.

He considers it frustration on the part of opponents because he refuses to stand on the perimeter and shoot jump shots.

"My game is attacking," Wade said.

On the court.

Off it, the Heat star is cordial and engaging. His criticism of Nowitzki seemed out of character.

Until you consider what prompted it.

"I didn't start it, but I did stand up for my guys," Wade said. "You know what it's going to do.

"It's going to make that game when we play them that much more fun."

It will be a whole lot less fun with Wade unable to play.

mary · 02-22-2007, 02:08 PM

I am so effing tired of this "story".

Its too bad Wade didn't dislocate his jaw.

V2M · 02-22-2007, 02:32 PM

David Moore is defending Wade for his stupid comments... wtf?

mqywaaah · 02-22-2007, 03:20 PM

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I am so effing tired of this "story".

Its too bad Wade didn't dislocate his jaw.

Now THAT would be something!!!

WurzburgBorn · 02-22-2007, 05:07 PM

David Moore can move to Miami where he might still have some credibility. They're all over Wade's nuts there too.

MavsX · 02-22-2007, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDiggler

Dirk saying that the Mavs "gave" the series away and the Heat didn't "win" is a slap in the face. Maybe you all don't see it that way, but people outside Dallas city limits see things differently.

Dallas didn't "give" anything away....The Heat took the championship and Wade stood up and lead his team to 4 Straight Victories. Dirk not giving credit where credit is due upset Wade and I (and many others) can honestly see why. Wade worked too hard to have the other team's superstar not to give credit. Dallas lost a 2-0 lead and never won another game in the series. Wade willed his team win it mattered most

i hope you and wade die in a fiery car crash soon.

dude1394 · 02-23-2007, 01:45 AM

Dirk "may" have disrespected the miami heat but only in the fact that he criticized his team for tossing the series. I don't recall anything but wade respect in dirks comments. And then diva makes it personal.

I have no respect for the diva-queen. And I don't have much more respect for "journalists" who condone personal insults like that. Hopefully dirk will never shake hands with the diva. I wish nothing good on the peckerhead.

LRB · 02-23-2007, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Dirk "may" have disrespected the miami heat but only in the fact that he criticized his team for tossing the series. I don't recall anything but wade respect in dirks comments. And then diva makes it personal.

I have no respect for the diva-queen. And I don't have much more respect for "journalists" who condone personal insults like that. Hopefully dirk will never shake hands with the diva. I wish nothing good on the peckerhead.

Oh I'd like to see Dirk give Diva a real hardy handshake, with the left hand.

basuketobaru · 02-23-2007, 11:04 AM

While I'm not surprised the national media, in its rush to avoid admitting that Wade's comments were petulant and unprovoked whining by a spoiled brat, missed this, I am kind of surprised it didn't get more highlighted here:

Heat coach Pat Riley understands where the Mavs are coming from. As coach of the L.A. Lakers, Riley said they "choked away" the title to Boston in 1984.

"We always felt we should have won that year, and we voiced it," he said. "But we didn't [win]. Came back next year and won it. But I'm sure [the Mavs are] just voicing the fact that they feel like they should have won. That's all."

i.e., Wade's Hall of Fame coach understands what everybody with half-a-brain should have from the beginning--Dirk's comments were never about the Heat, they were the self-directed comments that should be expected from a good team when it loses - We lost. We should have done better. We intend to do better.

WurzburgBorn · 02-23-2007, 12:17 PM

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Heat coach Pat Riley understands where the Mavs are coming from. As coach of the L.A. Lakers, Riley said they "choked away" the title to Boston in 1984.

Come on Wade, are you going to let your coach get away with that? Call him out as a poor leader!

V2M · 02-23-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by basuketobaru

While I'm not surprised the national media, in its rush to avoid admitting that Wade's comments were petulant and unprovoked whining by a spoiled brat, missed this, I am kind of surprised it didn't get more highlighted here:

Heat coach Pat Riley understands where the Mavs are coming from. As coach of the L.A. Lakers, Riley said they "choked away" the title to Boston in 1984.

"We always felt we should have won that year, and we voiced it," he said. "But we didn't [win]. Came back next year and won it. But I'm sure [the Mavs are] just voicing the fact that they feel like they should have won. That's all."

i.e., Wade's Hall of Fame coach understands what everybody with half-a-brain should have from the beginning--Dirk's comments were never about the Heat, they were the self-directed comments that should be expected from a good team when it loses - We lost. We should have done better. We intend to do better.

Excellent point... Wade's own Coach calls him out on the stupidity of his comments... and yet the media (including our local imbecile, David Moore!) completely give him the pass!

mav_love · 04-10-2007, 01:05 PM

Was just watching the 1984 Finals on ESPN Classic... as the program wraps up, it shows a clip of Magic talking after the game seven loss: "We gave it away... and they won it, too. Just one of those things."

ps: historical footnote: Magic led the Lakers back to the Finals the next year and got that trophy back.

here's hoping this little bit of history is on our side (rather than the much larger history of teams who didn't make it all the way back)!

kingrex · 04-10-2007, 03:52 PM

For better or for worse, gone are the true blood feud days of the Jordan and the Jordanaires versus the Motor City Bad Boys or even Celtic-Pride versus L.A.'s Showtime.

Now we have feuds manufactured by half-quotes and sound bites from locker room interviews 6 months stale.

Give me real feud-starters like when Phil Jackson accuses Pat Riley of intentionally knocking down his players in playoff games. Or when Red Auerbach lights a victory cigar as a signal to the opposing team that they've lost even before the game clock ticks down.

Not this Wade and Dirk ignore each other business.