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jthig32 · 05-01-2007, 04:10 PM

This is painful.

Sorry, Dirk, you're no MVP

May. 1, 2007 | feedback
We're headed for the most awkward moment in NBA history within the next 10 days. Here's how it will play out:

(We see Jim Gray, David Stern and Dirk Nowitzki standing awkwardly in front of a single camera at halftime of a Round 2 playoff game.)

--Gray: "I'm here with NBA commissioner David Stern. David--"

--Stern: "Don't talk to me. Seriously. You're lucky I haven't had you killed yet."

--Gray: "Gotcha. Um ... and now to present the 2006-07 Most Valuable Player Award, NBA commissioner David Stern."

--Stern: "Leave."

--Gray: "What?"

--Stern: "Leave. Now."

(Gray slinks off.)

--Stern: "Well, Dirk, maybe the playoffs didn't turn out the way you planned, but for 82 meaningless games during one of the worst seasons of my 23-year tenure, you were the best player in a terrible league. Unfortunately, voting for the award happens right after the regular season, so voters weren't able to factor in your complete meltdown in Round 1 against Golden State. You didn't just fail to step up like an MVP should, you whined and complained the entire series, disgraced your teammates and embarrassed your fans. Not since David Hasselhoff has America been so embarrassed by a German. I don't know whether to hand you this trophy or smash it over your head. Lucky for you, this is being televised, so I can only hand you the trophy and congratulate you on the 2006-07 Most Valuable Player Award. I'm going to leave now so I can throw up."
--Dirk Nowitzki (taking the trophy): "Thank you, Mr. Commissioner."

(Stern waves disgustedly at him and walks away.)

And ... scene!

Has Nowitzki been that bad in the first four games against Golden State? Actually, yeah. You can't kill him for struggling in a playoff series because, admittedly, it happens to the best from time to time. For instance, the Basketball Jesus stunk out the joint against the '85 Lakers and '88 Pistons. MJ submitted a stinkbomb against the '95 Magic. Magic choked in three different losses to the '84 Celtics. Bring up an NBA legend and I could point you to a crummy playoff performance within three seconds.

The difference between Dirk and the others: He's having a complete breakdown as a basketball player. Mentally, he's a mess. You can see it on his face. From a leadership standpoint, he's shown nothing other than a couple of front-running fist pumps and a few "Die Hard" sneers. Every time Dallas needed him to come through in Games 1, 3 and 4, he disappeared. And he made crucial mental mistakes after Game 3 (saying the series hinged on Game 4 for Dallas, which was just dumb) and Game 4 (doing the whole "woe is me, I can't get it going, I'll just have to help us in other ways" routine). For historical purposes, he's edging dangerously close to Karl Malone territory here.

As you know, I didn't have an MVP vote this season because it makes too much sense for the league to give votes to younger writers who obsessively follow the NBA over older writers who secretly despise the league, can't identify with it and would never dream of spending their own money on NBA League Pass. This is how we end up with a system in which Shawn Marion doesn't make either All-Defensive first or second team and Isiah Thomas gets a "Coach of the Year" vote. (By the way, that's a whole other column.) But here's how I explained my decision not to give Dirk the MVP vote that I didn't actually have:

"He can't affect games unless he's scoring, doesn't make his teammates better and plays decent defense at best. If you're giving the MVP to someone because of his offense, he'd better be a killer offensive player. You can't say that about the 2007 Dirk Nowitzki."

One week later, the Golden State series starts. Dirk can't get it going because the Warriors smartly throw Stephen Jackson (a legitimate pit bull) on him -- a smaller player who gets right in his face and keeps trying to poke the ball every time Dirk puts it on the ground. Now, everyone thought Dirk solved the whole "smaller/quicker guys can shut me down" thing against San Antonio and Phoenix last season, but that wasn't necessarily true -- he could shoot over Bruce Bowen and Raja Bell and put the ball on the floor against Shawn Marion. He can't do either of these things against Jackson (or Jason Richardson, for that matter). And if that's not enough, Nellie keeps throwing second guys at him from odd angles, so he never knows when the double team is coming. Believe me, there are legitimate reasons why Nowitzki is struggling against the Warriors. It's not just a shooting slump.

But that's why Dirk shouldn't be the MVP: Take away his scoring and there's not a lot left. Yeah, he'll grab some rebounds and create a couple of easy shots for teammates, but he's not putting his imprint on the game, right? I can see someone winning an MVP award with those limitations, but again, you better be a KILLER offensive player. And he wasn't. As I described his credentials in that MVP column, "(He had a) well-done and thoroughly efficient season. I enjoyed it. He took the Fist Pump/Sneer to new heights. I just don't think he was the MVP."

For example, if you watched T-Mac in Monday night's hard-fought win over the Jazz (16 assists!), that was the quintessential example of a great player beating a good team on a night when his shot wasn't falling. Tim Duncan has those games all the time; he doesn't need to score 25 points to control a game. Same for Jason Kidd. Same for Steve Nash. On the flip side, Kobe needs to score to control games and manages to do it on an astonishingly consistent basis. He's a dominant offensive player, whereas Nowitzki is an efficient offensive player. Big difference. Teams can turn Dirk into a complementary player if they try hard enough. Does that sound like an MVP? Didn't think so. When Kobe's team loses a playoff game, you still know he's there. Same for Nash. Same for Wade. Same for Duncan. Same for LeBron. I thought Nowitzki had reached that point last season -- remember this column? -- but now he's taken an enormous step backward and if the Mavs gets knocked out this week (which I think they will) he becomes the worst MVP choice since Karl Malone in 1997.

As for the magnificent Warriors-Mavs series, it's been said a million times but warrants mentioning again: When they showed the starting lineups for Game 1 and revealed Dallas was going small, I actually screamed out loud. I'm not kidding. For God's sake, even if you plan on eventually going small against a quicker team, you can't change your starting lineup for a No. 8 seed! You knew Nellie was standing there thinking, "I got him, I got him ... I'm in Avery's head!" As weird as this sounds, I thought that was the biggest moment of the entire series. The Warriors probably went into that game thinking they had a puncher's chance, then Avery went small and Nellie was probably standing there in the huddle screaming at them, "We have them! We have them! THEY ARE AFRAID OF US!"

Ten other things that need to be covered before Game 5, which I fully expect the Mavs to win thanks to a 48-20 free-throw advantage and between three and 35 technical fouls on the Warriors, along with the 10 percent chance that Dallas police might need to use a taser on Stephen Jackson before everything is said and done:

1. If the Warriors end up winning the series -- and just for the record, I don't think Dallas can win in Oakland under any circumstances -- it wouldn't be as big an upset as you'd think. After all, Dallas wasn't really a 67-win team (just a very good team that stayed healthy and played hard every night in a terrible league), and G-State wasn't really a No. 8 seed (the Warriors didn't get healthy and gel together until the tail end of the season). In my opinion, the '94 Nuggets (over the '94 Sonics) and '81 Rockets (over the '81 Lakers) were much bigger upsets.

But here's what I can't understand: Where was Vegas during this whole thing? How could they make the Warriors 9-to-1 underdogs when they had three of the best five players in the series and a coach who was put on the earth to win a series like this? Dallas was NINE TIMES AS LIKELY to win this series? Really? Seriously? That was the single strangest series line since Hakeem and the Rockets (defending champs, by the way) were more than 2-to-1 underdogs against a painfully young Magic team in the '95 Finals. Bizarre.

2. I'd like to request that Al Harrington changes his nickname from "Big Al" to "Small Al" or "If We Blow This Series I'm The Reason Al." Thanks.

3. Take it from someone who just spent the last six months watching Doc Rivers and Mike Dunleavy: If you want to see how an NBA game should be coached during the game, watch this series and watch how Avery Johnson uses his timeouts, or how Nellie tests his struggling guys (Harrington, Pietrus and Ellis) every game and yanks them for good at the exact moment it's clear that they don't have it. Really fun to watch.

4. I've seen hammered college kids playing "Pop A Shot" at 3 a.m. with better form than Andris Biedrins from the FT line. Why does it look like both of his arms are in plaster casts? Does he have elbows?

5. No offense, TNT execs ... but Kevin Harlan or Marv Albert should be calling this series. End of story. You screwed up.

6. Just about everyone forgot this because of his on/off the court problems, but Stephen Jackson happens to be a genuinely good player who's played for some quality teams and definitely fits the "I'd go to battle with him" profile. (The Spurs wouldn't have won a title without him in 2003, remember?) I'm always amazed that NBA GMs don't value playoff experience more than they do -- for instance, Indiana tried to give away Jackson for three straight months and nobody bit. By all accounts, he's a loyal teammate (and then some, as witnessed in the Artest melee); Reggie Miller even defended him during one of the playoff broadcasts by saying something like, "People don't realize this, but Stephen's a good guy, he really is." Considering his reasonable salary (averages out to $7 million per year through 2010), his playoff pedigree and his fearlessness in big games, it's hard to believe that a contender like the Suns, Nets or Jazz didn't say, "Screw it, let's take a flier on this guy."

And then, you get e-mails like this one (from Lorenzon in Thousand Oaks, Calif., during Game 2) and it all makes sense: "Just watched Baron Davis and Jason Terry pretend to want to fight each other, and thought the most interesting part of the 'brawl' was the reaction from Stephen Jackson. If you watch closely, his back is turned to the action at the start of the fight. When he turns around and sees his boy about to get at it, he apparently has an Artest flashback, because the crazed look in his eyes is priceless. Unfortunately, nothing interesting came of it, but for a brief moment we had an HD view into the window of a madman. For some reason I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of Stephen Jackson."

7. Reason No. 132 why I love this series: It's not often that you can follow a series, then midway through it, have to call one of your friends just to ask, "Hey, is it just me or did Matt Barnes add a new tattoo on his neck for this game?"

(The NBA ... it's FANNNNNNNNNNN-tastic!)

8. Reason No. 133 why I love this series: The winning coach showing up for his Game 4 news conference holding a can of Bud Light.

9. Yikes, how have I not mentioned Baron Davis yet? And not just because he broke out a fedora with bullets on it before Game 3 -- my favorite moment of the playoffs so far -- but because he's finally healthy and attacking the basket again. The thing is, we always knew he had it in him. Kenny Smith summed it up nicely by recounting a story about the time he asked Baron something like, "Is there anything offensively that you can't do? Is there anything defensively that you can't do? Well, why aren't you one of the best players in the league?"

Was there an answer? Kenny thought it was more of a mental hurdle than anything and I'd have to agree -- thanks to Nellie and his style of play, everything came together for Davis this season. But you can't say it's a surprise because he's done this before: Look at his box scores from Game 3 and Game 4 of the Orlando series in 2002. That was the frustrating thing about Baron Davis' career: He DID have this in him. And we knew it. Now we're seeing it. He's been the undisputed MVP of a series that happens to include the soon-to-be-named MVP of the league.

10. Three more pertinent e-mails and we're done:

Ryan M in Dallas: "Has any city had its collective sports groin kicked in more in 12 months than Dallas has since last June? Summer 2006 gets our hopes up to unprecedented levels as the Mavs pull off the impossible and win an OT Game 7 in San Antonio. So follow that with the worst collapse in NBA Finals history. Two words: Tony Romo. This summer, the Stars (an NHL team ... that's pro hockey for those who forgot) rally back from down 3-1, only to totally fall apart in the third period of Game 7 in Vancouver. And then probably the worst of all, the Mavs win 67 games in preparation for healing the wounds of 10 months ago, only to pull what looks to be the greatest no-show stunt in sports, ever. Have five million people ever simultaneously sworn off sports fandom forever?"

Jennie in San Diego: "As you probably saw at the beginning of the second half of Sunday night's Warriors/Mavs game, TNT showed us all of the celebrities at the Coliseum Arena. I could not believe that they showed Ron Artest sitting in the stands only one time! I feel cheated that they never panned back to him for reaction shots. Stephen Jackson is fricking nuts and to know that Ron Ron is watching him from the sidelines, TNT knows this and where he is sitting and has a camera readily available and STILL doesn't give us reaction shots?! We deserved it as fans for sitting through hundreds of hours of incessant media dissection of that fight! They owed that to us."

James in Boulder: "Couldn't agree with you more when you talked about the greatness of the Golden State fans. I'm a diehard Nuggets fan and was at the game on Saturday night. Late in the game, the Nugs were down five and the crowd started chanting, without prompting, "Let's go Nuggets!" (clap clap clap-clap-clap). It was INCREDIBLY loud. So what do the geniuses at the Pepsi Center do? They start playing some stupid video on the Jumbotron telling us to yell louder while accompanying it with Van Halen's "Right Now." What did the fans do? We had no clue what to do, so the chant ended up getting drowned out by the video. Golden State's management knows how to run the sound during a game and I salute them for it."

Murphy3 · 05-01-2007, 04:14 PM

I hope Simmons is decapitated tonight in front of his family.

jthig32 · 05-01-2007, 04:18 PM

As always with Simmons, he's over the top, goes too far with some things.

But some of this is hard to argue with. As angry as it makes me to read.

fluid.forty.one · 05-01-2007, 04:19 PM

vommitttt

alexamenos · 05-01-2007, 04:22 PM

nothing simmons hasn't been saying all along, to the best of my knowledge. re:

After all, Dallas wasn't really a 67-win team (just a very good team that stayed healthy and played hard every night in a terrible league).

It's funny how few people really respect a team that comes to play every night. I loved that about this team all season and a post-season flub won't change that at all.

BigJoeD · 05-01-2007, 04:24 PM

Dirk should be grabbing his throat.

alexamenos · 05-01-2007, 04:25 PM

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Dirk should be grabbing his throat.

i thought dirk grabbing his throat was part of the problem.

BigJoeD · 05-01-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

i thought dirk grabbing his throat was part of the problem.

It is

craggmac · 05-01-2007, 04:26 PM

yea......

Murphy3 · 05-01-2007, 04:31 PM

Yep.. those guys that shoot (in the past three games) 46% while grabbing 11+ rebounds to go along with 2-3 steals and scoring 22 points are really indicative of chokers. Is it indicative of someone that needs to do more? Yeah, definitely so. But, he's putting up numbers that'd make Tim Duncan proud.

I agree that he's only playing like an All-Star in this series. However, much of it does have to do with the way that the offense is run and the way the Warriors are defending him.. Like it or not, it's the truth. Some of you are just too f'ing stupid to figure that out.

jthig32 · 05-01-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Yep.. those guys that shoot (in the past three games) 46% while grabbing 11+ rebounds to go along with 2-3 steals and scoring 22 points are really indicative of chokers. Is it indicative of someone that needs to do more? Yeah, definitely so. But, he's putting up numbers that'd make Tim Duncan proud.

I agree that he's only playing like an All-Star in this series. However, much of it does have to do with the way that the offense is run and the way the Warriors are defending him.. Like it or not, it's the truth. Some of you are just too f'ing stupid to figure that out.

While I agree, the common response would be that Duncan is also an elite defensive player.

Murphy3 · 05-01-2007, 04:36 PM

And I'll go ahead and say that Duncan would struggle just as much or more guarding anyone on the perimeter much like Dirk has been forced to do for the majority of this series.

Yes, he's obviously better at protecting the rim, but he'd quickly find himself in foul trouble IF he were playing on this Mavs team and were asked to be the last line of defense.

Now, Duncan playing with his current roster will probably be the beneficiary of significantly better perimeter defense which will do wonders to keep him out of foul trouble. The Mavs peremeter defense has been nothing short of terrible this series (yes, some of that falls on Dirk..obviously)

Flacolaco · 05-01-2007, 04:37 PM

I was almost starting to look forward to the game tonight and then reading this gave me aids.

dirno2000 · 05-01-2007, 04:39 PM

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While I agree, the common response would be that Duncan is also an elite defensive player.

That and Duncan wouldn't be proud of those number in the playoffs when he plays 40+ minutes.

The frustrating thing about Dirk is that when he starts to get down on himself that's it. There's no turning it around. The most glaring examples are 2005 against Houston and last year in the Finals. He gets in these funks and loses his confidence and it's painful to watch.

Murphy3 · 05-01-2007, 04:39 PM

So HIVy came to pay a visit?

alexamenos · 05-01-2007, 04:47 PM

Dirk may be shooting 46% over the last three games, but he's also throwing up some un-dirklike gawd awful bricks--in many cases those bricks are coming off of some pretty good looks...

...and he's shooting less than 80% from the free throw line. that ain't dirk at his finest.

and yeah he's grabbing 10+ boards a game, but he damned well outta be grabbing some boards given the number of opportunities vis a vis the rate the mavs are missing shots and the fact that he's like 9 inches taller than the biggest GS Warrior on the court.

I agree that the coaching in this series has been suspect -- whatever the f the mavs were doing offensively at the end of the 4th Sunday night it needs to change.

still...dirk hasn't been at his best, and it's fair to say that right now he looks alot more like a nice player on a nice team than the league's MVP.

Murphy3 · 05-01-2007, 04:47 PM

Well, a Dirk that's shooting 46% from the floor over the past three games is probably not a Dirk that's down on himself. He's a Dirk that's playing with AJ's system. He's probably more frustrated than anything that he has to be so reliant on whether or not his teammates and AJ decide if it's a good idea to let him touch the little round sphere every once in awhile

alexamenos · 05-01-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I was almost starting to look forward to the game tonight and then reading this gave me aids.

you should wear rubber glasses.

Murphy3 · 05-01-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

Dirk may be shooting 46% over the last three games, but he's also throwing up some un-dirklike gawd awful bricks--in many cases those bricks are coming off of some pretty good looks...

...and he's shooting less than 80% from the free throw line. that ain't dirk at his finest.

and yeah he's grabbing 10+ boards a game, but he damned well outta be grabbing some boards given the number of opportunities vis a vis the rate the mavs are missing shots and the fact that he's like 9 inches taller than the biggest GS Warrior on the court.

I agree that the coaching in this series has been suspect -- whatever the f the mavs were doing offensively at the end of the 4th Sunday night it needs to change.

still...dirk hasn't been at his best, and it's fair to say that right now he looks alot more like a nice player on a nice team than the league's MVP.

I agree that Dirk's not at his best. However, there's a big difference between playing at an All-Star level and playing mediocre ball. Right now, Dirk's playing at about an All-Star level. No, it's not where he needs to be, but some of the dumbshits on the board act as if he just hasn't shown up.

alexamenos · 05-01-2007, 04:49 PM

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Well, a Dirk that's shooting 46% from the floor over the past three games is probably not a Dirk that's down on himself. He's a Dirk that's playing with AJ's system. He's probably more frustrated than anything that he has to be so reliant on whether or not his teammates and AJ decide if it's a good idea to let him touch the little round sphere every once in awhile

whether dirk's choking or just off a little or just being defended well or just sleepy I don't exactly know....regardless of the problem I think the answer is to put the ball in dirk's hands early in the shotclock tonight.

Murphy3 · 05-01-2007, 04:52 PM

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That and Duncan wouldn't be proud of those number in the playoffs when he plays 40+ minutes.

The frustrating thing about Dirk is that when he starts to get down on himself that's it. There's no turning it around. The most glaring examples are 2005 against Houston and last year in the Finals. He gets in these funks and loses his confidence and it's painful to watch.

..so, the less than 20 points a game to go along with 10.25 boards on 46% shooting... That's Duncan's numbers for the playoffs so far.
Duncan has more assists and blocks.. But, Dirk has gotten to the line more, shot from the line better, had more steals... yada yada.. I'm not saying that Dirk has been better than Duncan, but with the exception of Dirk's terrible shooting first game, their numbers are pretty damn similar.

Stitch Jones · 05-01-2007, 04:52 PM

Man I love Dirk to death but he's MIA. I know his stats are not nearly deplorable and that he's giving effort out there, but the thing that I think everyone sees that's missing is the fire and will. There's been no quintissential Dirk moments. No daggers...no "gasp" moment when he strokes 4 or 5 jumpers in a row. No jaw-dropping, spin-off-the-wrong-foot-trademark-and-1s. Furthermore, the look on his face seems to be one of bewilderment. I mean, give me pissed or frustrated or cocky...at the Warriors or at himself,..just give me something other than the space-cadet look. It's not stats that's missing, it's the leadership. This team feeds off of Dirk's elite-ness and right now, it's just not there. If it shows up tonight, Mavs will get the win. If not, it's probably over. Something tells me that we'll have to get this win tonight, in spite of Dirk...and it will take that to bring him out of his funk.

Yup, his stats are acceptable at the end of the day, but as any real Mavs fan knows...one who's watched Dirk lead this team, night in and night out...there's something missing. Dirk is not being Dirk.

Murphy3 · 05-01-2007, 04:55 PM

Agreed that he hasn't been up to the level that he needs to be.. I agree with that 100%. But, the level that he's at isn't nearly the level that some of you are making it out to be. Now, it's important to understand why.. look at what can be done and move from there.

DarenG · 05-01-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

Dirk may be shooting 46% over the last three games, but he's also throwing up some un-dirklike gawd awful bricks--in many cases those bricks are coming off of some pretty good looks...

...and he's shooting less than 80% from the free throw line. that ain't dirk at his finest.

and yeah he's grabbing 10+ boards a game, but he damned well outta be grabbing some boards given the number of opportunities vis a vis the rate the mavs are missing shots and the fact that he's like 9 inches taller than the biggest GS Warrior on the court.

I agree that the coaching in this series has been suspect -- whatever the f the mavs were doing offensively at the end of the 4th Sunday night it needs to change.

still...dirk hasn't been at his best, and it's fair to say that right now he looks alot more like a nice player on a nice team than the league's MVP.

46%???? Dirk is only shooting 40.9% from the floor. 20% from the 3 point line. He is not having a good shooting series and not playing like an MVP.

Murphy3 · 05-01-2007, 04:56 PM

I think we are finding out that the Mavs aren't at the level defensively that we once thought they were....

alexamenos · 05-01-2007, 04:57 PM

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Agreed that he hasn't been up to the level that he needs to be.. I agree with that 100%. But, the level that he's at isn't nearly the level that some of you are making it out to be. Now, it's important to understand why.. look at what can be done and move from there.

this is why I still have a sliver of hope -- we haven't seen Dirk at hs finest and it's very possible that we will before it's all said and done -- once we do see Wunder-Dirk, who knows????

Murphy3 · 05-01-2007, 04:58 PM

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Dirk is only shooting 40.9% from the floor. Not 46%. He is not having a good shooting series.

Are you illiterate or can you just not read? He said "over the last three games".

alexamenos · 05-01-2007, 04:58 PM

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Dirk is only shooting 40.9% from the floor. 20% from the 3 point line. Not 46%. He is not having a good shooting series and not playing like an MVP.

we were talking about the last three games, conceding that he was miserable in the first.

Flacolaco · 05-01-2007, 04:58 PM

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I think we are finding out that the Mavs aren't at the level defensively that we once thought they were....

Ding ding ding ding ding ding

DarenG · 05-01-2007, 05:00 PM

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we were talking about the last three games, conceding that he was miserable in the first.

OK. I just don't think you can cherry pick the good performances from the bad. Overall he has not played up to his level.

alexamenos · 05-01-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I think we are finding out that the Mavs aren't at the level defensively that we once thought they were....

i really think this has a lot to do with their offensive ineptitude so far....they're defensive meltdowns are usually following offensive meltdowns. let 'em get some baskets going down and subsequently time to set on the other end....

you're right about this much -- they like to say that their defense fuels their offense, but I really think it's the other way around.

alexamenos · 05-01-2007, 05:01 PM

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OK. I just don't think you can cherry pick the good performances from the bad. Overall he has not played up to his level.

that really wasn't what I was trying to do. perhaps you should follow the conversation more closely.

cheers

Murphy3 · 05-01-2007, 05:01 PM

Some of it..alex, but the Mavs have been miserable at slowing down penetration. It hasn't given guys like Damp and Diop a chance at times. They've been called on to do entirely too much when they're manning the middle.

BigJoeD · 05-01-2007, 05:03 PM

This is harsh.

Murphy3 · 05-01-2007, 05:03 PM

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OK. I just don't think you can cherry pick the good performances from the bad. Overall he has not played up to his level.

No one is cherry picking... No one is saying that "on every third monday following an off day on the preceeding thursday".... Everyone knows that his numbers on the whole haven't been good this series. The point was being made that he has bounced back and put up some good numbers offensively after a terrible first game.... But no, he hasn't been where Dirk needs to be.

DarenG · 05-01-2007, 05:03 PM

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that really wasn't what I was trying to do. perhaps you should follow the conversation more closely.

cheers

Well the conversation is about Dirk's play. Last time I checked he played in all 4 games. Thanks though.

Even though Dirk has looked better since the first game he still hasn't been great by any stretch. If he is going to step up, it needs to be tonight.

BigJoeD · 05-01-2007, 05:04 PM

I dont think anyone is routing for the mavs to win this series except Mavs fans and Charles Barkley.

GO Mavs

Murphy3 · 05-01-2007, 05:05 PM

DarrenG, I think we're all aware of that. But thank you for 'contributing' in that special way that only you and children with mental disabilities can contribute.

BigJoeD · 05-01-2007, 05:07 PM

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Well the conversation is about Dirk's play. Last time I checked he played in all 4 games. Thanks though.

Even though Dirk has looked better since the first game he still hasn't been great by any stretch. If he is going to step up, it needs to be tonight.

He needs to play EVERY FREAKING night and not just show up when its convenient. I never heard a potential MVP talk like Dirk. It's so disheartening.

alexamenos · 05-01-2007, 05:08 PM

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Some of it..alex, but the Mavs have been miserable at slowing down penetration. It hasn't given guys like Damp and Diop a chance at times. They've been called on to do entirely too much when they're manning the middle.

Game 2 the dubs scored a ton of points in the first 6 minutes, and a bunch more in the last 3 minutes after the outcome was no longer in doubt. Otherwise the Mavs D was pretty solid I thought. Not coincidentally, this was the one night when the mavs were efficient offensively.

Game 4 it was the transition threes and the like that were the killers, at least that was my perception.

Game 1 & 3...yeah, the Mavs looked like a bunch of retards defensively.