12-29-2022, 05:18 PM
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Lavine makes the most sense, but good god that contract. If he doesn't stay healthy, then you're f'ed.
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12-29-2022, 05:52 PM
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Lavine makes the most sense, but good god that contract. If he doesn't stay healthy, then you're f'ed.
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It does. What are the odds Green or Hardy ever get to his level? I like those 2, and Wood, but if we had to move 2 of those 3 to get him... DUECES. Lukas ready
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12-29-2022, 07:25 PM
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It does. What are the odds Green or Hardy ever get to his level? I like those 2, and Wood, but if we had to move 2 of those 3 to get him... DUECES. Lukas ready
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I'd do everything possible to keep Wood. Wood is doing everything we predicted he would if he started. Maxi being out has forced him to play D. Maxi's defense is overrated too.
It would be hard to contend with Luka/Lavine and f'in Powell and McGee at center. No way.
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01-06-2023, 03:12 PM
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It does. What are the odds Green or Hardy ever get to his level? I like those 2, and Wood, but if we had to move 2 of those 3 to get him... DUECES. Lukas ready
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Green is 3 years in and can't even get to 8 points per game. He is a good hustler whos high energy actually masquerades as good defense even though he is actually not a good defender.
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01-06-2023, 03:56 PM
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Green is 3 years in and can't even get to 8 points per game. He is a good hustler whos high energy actually masquerades as good defense even though he is actually not a good defender.
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Thats a pretty hot take without any stats to back it up that I can find. Green is a far and away our best defender in terms of defensive winshare.
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01-06-2023, 04:57 PM
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Thats a pretty hot take without any stats to back it up that I can find. Green is a far and away our best defender in terms of defensive winshare.
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Luka has a much better defensive win share (not sure what you are looking at) defensive net rating, DB+/-, def rebounds per 36, steals, defensive rating, expected points saved, blocks, more deflected passes and just way smarter in terms of getting in passing lanes. Luka is above replacement level this year on defense and not even close.
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12-29-2022, 07:34 PM
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Wood as a starter:
19pts, 9reb, 2.3blocks
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12-29-2022, 07:44 PM
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What are the odds Wood is a Mav next season?
I'd say like 10%.
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12-29-2022, 08:37 PM
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What are the odds Wood is a Mav next season?
I'd say like 10%.
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41.7%.
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12-31-2022, 09:37 AM
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41.7%.
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I would say north of 50-50 as we are underrating the fact that Luka and Wood actually seem to like each other.
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12-31-2022, 10:49 AM
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Luka, Wood, Dinwiddie, Green, and DFS are the five guys who can actually warrant minutes on a championship squad. We should be looking to upgrade everyone else.
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01-05-2023, 03:55 PM
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Spurs waived Gorgui Dieng. Seems like a nice low cost defensive option til Maxi gets back.
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01-05-2023, 06:03 PM
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Spurs waived Gorgui Dieng. Seems like a nice low cost defensive option til Maxi gets back.
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I'd prefer to kick the tires on Holmes and Bamba ... but we need to do something so Dieng is better than nothing. We'd probably have to promise to start him and offer him 3/ 30
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01-05-2023, 06:47 PM
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Spurs waived Gorgui Dieng. Seems like a nice low cost defensive option til Maxi gets back.
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What does our roster look like?
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01-05-2023, 06:52 PM
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1) Luka - oh hell no
2) SD - no
3) Wood - no
4) THJ - no (but maybe trade)
5) DFS - no
6) Bertans - guaranteed money. Maybe trade ballast.
7) Powell - positive +/- guy and huge trade asset with expiring
8) Bullock - guaranteed money. Maybe trade ballast
9) Kleber - guaranteed money. Maybe trade ballast.
10) McGee - guaranteed money. Maybe trade ballast.
11) Green - no (but maybe trade)
12) Hardy
13) Pinson
14) Frank
15) Walker
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16) Wright - no experienced vet can take a two-way
17) Lawson - no experienced vet can take a two-way
That's kind of a tough call until Green gets back.
Walker is a decent 3rd/4th PG a la Derrick Rose and an upgrade on Burke. Just gotta find our 2nd stringer.
Pinson seems like a chemistry guy who we are unlikely to cut.
Frank is deeply expendable with our full roster, but with Green/Dodo out, he's been solid defending guards and wings.
No chance we waive Hardy.
My vote would be Frank after Green comes back if we want to bring in another big.
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01-05-2023, 07:58 PM
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Who is the biggest name to get moved before the TDL? LaVine? Does Chicago blow it up and trade everyone? Toronto blow it up?
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01-05-2023, 10:40 PM
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Wouldn't it be weird to have a Small Forward who's good? But never happens.
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01-05-2023, 11:48 PM
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Wouldn't it be weird to have a Small Forward who's good? But never happens.
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Shawn Marion....
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01-05-2023, 11:54 PM
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Shawn Marion....
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I know but that's about the only one, and he was somewhat past his prime I remember Toronto didn't want him anymore? Regardless he worked out well here, but that was over a decade ago.
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01-05-2023, 11:56 PM
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Don?t forget the Custodian Brian Cardinal.
But seriously, that year we had BOTH Marion and Butler with Cardinal playing spot minutes. Both Marion and Butler were legit stars. Butler just went down before our playoff runs
Team was so loaded with talent it?s hard to fathom sometimes.
Peja was our backup PF and 15th man
Our guard rotation was HOF Kidd, Terry, and Barea
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01-06-2023, 12:01 AM
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True I don't know why I forget about Caron Butler. Josh Howard looked like he was going to be a star for a little while even made an All-Star team but he flamed out quickly. But after Marion and Butler were gone we haven't really had a good SF.
But Butler got hurt in January of our championship season and missed the rest of the season and playoffs. We only had him for basically 1 1/2 seasons. Pretty amazing that we were good enough to win without him.
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01-06-2023, 12:07 AM
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Harrison Barnes was solid, but a far cry from Marion.
Not a lot of quality between the championship year and now. Without Luka we would probably be watching a few lottery draft picks grow.
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01-06-2023, 09:41 AM
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THJ for Bojan. Salaries are close.
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01-06-2023, 10:29 AM
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THJ for Bojan. Salaries are close.
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Yeah, Detroit would totally go for that...
Realistically, you're looking at Powell, Bullock, Hardy, and a first for Bojan. They want a first and a young player with upside.
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01-06-2023, 10:58 AM
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I think Mavs are giving up too much there. I don?t think Mavs are willing to part with DP.
I would give up THJ and Hardy.
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01-06-2023, 11:05 AM
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I think Mavs are giving up too much there. I don?t think Mavs are willing to part with DP.
I would give up THJ and Hardy.
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And a first...
I'm not telling you what I or the FO would be willing to give up. I'm telling you the price. And he has a lot of suitors.
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01-06-2023, 11:21 AM
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Kemba Walker waived. Hopefully more minutes for Hardy.
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01-06-2023, 11:32 AM
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Kemba Walker waived. Hopefully more minutes for Hardy.
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Yep, more a formality since his contract was going to be guaranteed after this weekend.
T-Mac specifically mentioned Wright earning minutes and the Mavs wanting to get Hardy more minutes. It seems the latter is over the back issue and they're ready to rock. Then again, I can also envision this place burning down if Wright starts getting more minutes than Hardy...
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01-06-2023, 11:39 AM
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Its a bummer how a former star like Kemba is after his knee. Solid dude.
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01-06-2023, 12:38 PM
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His knee was never right, and I basically called it saying he wouldn't last 15 games.
Can't have those types of restrictions when we desperately need another ball handler.
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01-06-2023, 12:44 PM
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Yep, more a formality since his contract was going to be guaranteed after this weekend.
T-Mac specifically mentioned Wright earning minutes and the Mavs wanting to get Hardy more minutes. It seems the latter is over the back issue and they're ready to rock. Then again, I can also envision this place burning down if Wright starts getting more minutes than Hardy...
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It's all about the potential though. Wright's ceiling is a makes no mistakes 10 mpg backup. Hardy's ceiling is D'Angelo Russell or Buddy Hield.
I like Wright, but he doesn't change anything. We need impact players like yesterday.
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01-06-2023, 02:33 PM
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Totally agree, just wouldn't put anything past this staff or FO. But it does sounds like we should see more Hardy on the surface.
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01-06-2023, 03:23 PM
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Totally agree, just wouldn't put anything past this staff or FO. But it does sounds like we should see more Hardy on the surface.
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Hardy looked noticeably better last night as far as knowing where to be and what to do on the court. Hopefully it's enough to get minutes, but I'm not gonna hold my breathe.
We gotta get someone to take the load off Luka stat.
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01-06-2023, 03:58 PM
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Hardy looked noticeably better last night as far as knowing where to be and what to do on the court. Hopefully it's enough to get minutes, but I'm not gonna hold my breathe.
We gotta get someone to take the load off Luka stat.
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I don't know if our FO/coach will take the risk of losing a few games in order to help develop our young blood.
Hardy got most of his points going up against Grant Williams - probably not an ideal defender against Hardy but still he's a legit rotation player for them.
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01-07-2023, 10:26 AM
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Looks like we are getting Bojan. I mean if the smoking Cuban says it, go ahead and book it.
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01-07-2023, 01:55 PM
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Looks like we are getting Bojan. I mean if the smoking Cuban says it, go ahead and book it.
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Maybe, but ultimately they're still just guessing. Some other team could offer them a deal they can't pass up.
https://thesmokingcuban.com/posts/bo...llas-mavericks
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01-07-2023, 02:36 PM
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Looks like we are getting Bojan. I mean if the smoking Cuban says it, go ahead and book it.
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Maybe there is some smoke...
https://twitter.com/all_things_mavs/...74356853489669
I do that trade, all day, every day. Doubt that's the price though.
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01-07-2023, 04:43 PM
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I was fairly joking about that prediction coming to life.
A 2027 frp? Lol. Why not a 2035 frp, or 2040? Makes little sense to me.
Anyway, I'd let them go ahead and shop him around before giving up any frp. They aren't in a super strong position and Bojan helps us but not that much.
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I was fairly joking about that prediction coming to life.
A 2027 frp? Lol. Why not a 2035 frp, or 2040? Makes little sense to me.
Anyway, I'd let them go ahead and shop him around before giving up any frp. They aren't in a super strong position and Bojan helps us but not that much.
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My thing with firsts is the Mavs are terrible at development. And if they want to use them for chasing a superstar which hasn't worked since ever, then that's even worse. I don't want to give up picks anymore than the next fan, but the Hardy stuff has me thinking they aren't serious about developing young players.
Just checked that he is a FA this summer which would make me hesitate slightly, but otherwise, that move puts you right back into contention this season. He is a top 5 shooter as far as I'm concerned.
But I don't think Bertans and a first gets him anyway.
Nvm, saw he signed an extension. Stupid contract site didn't update that. In that case, I def do it.
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