Unofficial thanks for the great moments jet thread. - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

dude1394 · 05-05-2012, 10:14 PM

Jet...thanks for all of the time you looked up into the crowd and reveled in their cheers, cheering them on as much as yourself.

Thanks for the absolutely irrational optimism.

Thanks for your absolutely unconscious confidence.

Thanks for. The bonehead plays and all of the "oh shit, jet" shots that went in. ,

Thanks for tattoo and never forgetting 06.

If I have a vote, your jersey is right next to the dirksters. Love ya dude.

sike · 05-05-2012, 10:15 PM

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If I have a vote, your jersey is right next to the dirksters. Love ya dude.

This.

j0Shi · 05-05-2012, 10:16 PM

Can't say Dirk without his JET.

The tattoo was the single craziest thing I've ever seen in a sport context. Well done fella.

Well done.

mav4ever · 05-05-2012, 10:31 PM

yep.

and dont forget,,,, thanks for playing with enough passion to punch fin in the testicles.

chumdawg · 05-05-2012, 10:35 PM

This thread makes my ass want to take a dip of snuff!!

mav4ever · 05-05-2012, 10:38 PM

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This thread makes my ass want to take a dip of snuff!!

dont do it. colon cancer is a silent killer

Melonhead · 05-05-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Jet...thanks for all of the time you looked up into the crowd and reveled in their cheers, cheering them on as much as yourself.

Thanks for the absolutely irrational optimism.

Thanks for your absolutely unconscious confidence.

Thanks for. The bonehead plays and all of the "oh shit, jet" shots that went in. ,

Thanks for tattoo and never forgetting 06.

If I have a vote, your jersey is right next to the dirksters. Love ya dude.

Great post.

sefant77 · 05-05-2012, 11:05 PM

Great series against the Thunder. Gonna help to get big bucks from the 29 other teams....

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-05-2012, 11:18 PM

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Great series against the Thunder. Gonna help to get big bucks from the 29 other teams....

I assume this is sarcasm since he wasn't good against the Thunder?

It was a nice run. It will certainly be bittersweet to see him on another team.

Budapest Maverick · 05-05-2012, 11:47 PM

Always loved the guy, even when i was mad at him, and will never forget the great moments. He's a Maverick forever.

twistaeffect2004 · 05-06-2012, 12:00 AM

If this is it for Jet, then obviously all that needs to be said is thank you. One of the greatest trades Donnie ever made. Jet doesn't have the highest IQ, he certainly doesn't jump the highest, and he's small for the position he plays, but dude has balls and I truly believed he loved being a Dallas Maverick.

SlimMavsFan · 05-06-2012, 12:23 AM

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If this is it for Jet, then obviously all that needs to be said is thank you. One of the greatest trades Donnie ever made. Jet doesn't have the highest IQ, he certainly doesn't jump the highest, and he's small for the position he plays, but dude has balls and I truly believed he loved being a Dallas Maverick.

Actually, Jet is one of the more impressive athletes in the NBA all things considered. For him to be 34 years old, his speed, shooting, and jumping ability (he can dunk in traffic at 6'2", not saying he does it all the time but he can) are all amazing. Jet has lost very little to age (except mentally

). To put it another way, what 6'2" guards 34 or older are able to play the way he does? Not just now, but ever really... Nash comes to mind. Keep in mind when I say "the way he does" I mean playing a game highly dependent on athletic ability. Chauncey Billups is an old guard who's effective, but all he really does is stand around and shoot threes and draw fouls by plowing through people and fooling the refs.

chumdawg · 05-06-2012, 12:25 AM

Always thought he was way more trouble than he was worth. You know what they used to say about two-guards...dime a dozen. For every Mike Finley there are are ten Jason Terrys.

nowhereman · 05-06-2012, 12:38 AM

Such a love-hate relationship while he was here. Starting with leaving Nash open in his first postseason, through 7-25 in the finals, leaving Chalmers open, disappearing against San Antonio in the last few minutes of game 2 in 2010... then remembering his shot over LeBron near the end of game 5 in the finals, and that ridiculous rainbow baseline jumper he hit over Tim Duncan in game 3 of the 2006 series... I love Jet, even though he routinely drove me absolutely crazy while he was here. His number will be in the rafters and he is one of the five greatest Mavericks of all time.

GhostFace · 05-06-2012, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Jet...thanks for all of the time you looked up into the crowd and reveled in their cheers, cheering them on as much as yourself.

Thanks for the absolutely irrational optimism.

Thanks for your absolutely unconscious confidence.

Thanks for. The bonehead plays and all of the "oh shit, jet" shots that went in. ,

Thanks for tattoo and never forgetting 06.

If I have a vote, your jersey is right next to the dirksters. Love ya dude.

Would read again.

EricaLubarsky · 05-06-2012, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by twistaeffect2004

If this is it for Jet, then obviously all that needs to be said is thank you. One of the greatest trades Donnie ever made. Jet doesn't have the highest IQ, he certainly doesn't jump the highest, and he's small for the position he plays, but dude has balls and I truly believed he loved being a Dallas Maverick.

One of the worst flops (Antoine Walker) became one of our biggest successes (Terry).

I'd be thrilled for that kind of result from trading Lamar.

LonghornDub · 05-06-2012, 01:12 AM

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Always thought he was way more trouble than he was worth. You know what they used to say about two-guards...dime a dozen. For every Mike Finley there are are ten Jason Terrys.

I'm not sure what the basis for that last remark is. Everyone's entitled to their favorites, but Terry has had an objectively better career than Finley. There isn't a single noteworthy statistical category where Finley is superior to Terry, and some of them weigh pretty heavily toward Terry.

Day1MavsFan · 05-06-2012, 03:39 AM

I gotta say that I can't tell y'all how many times over the years I said, "I've got no use for Jason Terry." But he gradually improved over the years and changed my feeling somewhat, while still doing bone-headed things like fouling Odom at halfcourt, leaving Chalmers wide open, and fouling Durant on the inbounds play the other night.

Be that as it may, the sheer guts this dude has considering his size and limited athleticism is remarkable. I thought he was crazy and stupid for getting that tattoo and calling out LeBron, but I was wrong. Regardless of his many playoff failures, he stood up when it counted most during last year's playoff run and he therefore will always have a special place in my heart.

More importantly, however, I think he was the perfect compliment to Dirk in regards to attitude and team chemistry. He has been a consummate professional, never getting in trouble, always staying in shape, and leaving it all out on the court. What else could we have asked for?

Rick41 · 05-06-2012, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Jet...thanks for all of the time you looked up into the crowd and reveled in their cheers, cheering them on as much as yourself.

Thanks for the absolutely irrational optimism.

Thanks for your absolutely unconscious confidence.

Thanks for. The bonehead plays and all of the "oh shit, jet" shots that went in. ,

Thanks for tattoo and never forgetting 06.

If I have a vote, your jersey is
right next to the dirksters. Love ya dude.

Even though JET would really piss me off sometimes, I absolutely agree with this.

Without JET we wouldn't have accomplished all that we have.

JET comes after Dirk in most important Mavs right now (or was).

Thank you Jason Terry for all the great moments and memories (should he sign elsewhere).

CaseyJones · 05-06-2012, 05:30 PM

Why is everyone assuming he won't be here next year?

chumdawg · 05-06-2012, 05:32 PM

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I'm not sure what the basis for that last remark is. Everyone's entitled to their favorites, but Terry has had an objectively better career than Finley. There isn't a single noteworthy statistical category where Finley is superior to Terry, and some of them weigh pretty heavily toward Terry.

Then that speaks very, very poorly about Terry...if he would be remembered much less fondly than a guy he was "objectively" superior to.

LonghornDub · 05-06-2012, 06:01 PM

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Then that speaks very, very poorly about Terry...if he would be remembered much less fondly than a guy he was "objectively" superior to.

Nice moving target. And here I thought that "shooting guards (like Terry) are a dime a dozen" was a reference to on-court abilities, not which player chum thinks is a cooler guy.

I look forward to hearing more about which player is "remembered much less fondly" when Terry is having his jersey put up in the AAC rafters. Maybe afterwards they'll show some highlights of Finley winning all those championships with the Mavericks.

chumdawg · 05-06-2012, 06:09 PM

Do I really have to parse it for you? Two-guards are a dime a dozen, meaning you can always find someone to shoot the ball. For every one Mike Finley there are ten Jason Terrys, meaning that some guys transcend the on-court position. Now, I'm just one man, so I'm sure you don't care who I think is a "cooler guy." But I have eyes and can observe how both men comport themselves and how they are received by the organization and the fan base.

What makes you so sure Terry's number goes up before Finley's does?

xrobx · 05-06-2012, 06:15 PM

Terry won a championship, Finley not only didn't win us a championship but possibly prevented us from winning championships after he left and won with the Spurs

Underdog · 05-06-2012, 06:19 PM

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What makes you so sure Terry's number goes up before Finley's does?

chumdawg · 05-06-2012, 06:22 PM

Terry has some hardware, yes. But Finley is the Godfather. There is NO doubt about that.

sike · 05-06-2012, 06:26 PM

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What makes you so sure Terry's number goes up before Finley's does?

Is Finley a "Mavs great"? Personally, I'd have no problem with his jersey not being retired at all.

chumdawg · 05-06-2012, 06:27 PM

Oh, dear.

oilfieldtrash · 05-06-2012, 06:34 PM

Finley was a great Mav indeed. But Jersey in the rafters great? No.
Terry deserves to have his in the rafters

sike · 05-06-2012, 06:39 PM

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Oh, dear.

Postulate if you want. I'm simply saying #4 being retired is by NO MEANS a sure thing.

Unless Cube's has a soft spot for the flying tiger, his career numbers and the fact that he never won anything while here leaves something to be desired when one considers what retiring a jersey means. It means you were a franchise legend.

chumdawg · 05-06-2012, 06:40 PM

What's hanging up there right now? The 22 and the 15? That's it, right? If the 31 goes in, it's only because he happened to be on the title team (in which case, why not raise them all?).

chumdawg · 05-06-2012, 06:42 PM

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Postulate if you want. I'm simply saying #4 being retired is by NO MEANS a sure thing.

Unless Cube's has a soft spot for the flying tiger, his career numbers and the fact that he never won anything while here leaves something to be desired when one considers what retiring a jersey means. It means you were a franchise legend.

You asked if he was a "Mavs great," sike. Probably only Rolando Blackman was/is a greater Mavs great. It was a wild question.

LonghornDub · 05-06-2012, 06:47 PM

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Do I really have to parse it for you? Two-guards are a dime a dozen, meaning you can always find someone to shoot the ball. For every one Mike Finley there are ten Jason Terrys, meaning that some guys transcend the on-court position. Now, I'm just one man, so I'm sure you don't care who I think is a "cooler guy." But I have eyes and can observe how both men comport themselves and how they are received by the organization and the fan base.

This is just so abstract and undefinable. He "transcends" the position? Ok. I'm glad you think so.

I won't belabor the point anymore, but what you're saying now doesn't square in any way with your earlier claim that "two guards are a dime a dozen." You clearly had some idea that Finley was the better shooting guard, which is not the case by any metric whatsoever.

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What makes you so sure Terry's number goes up before Finley's does?

I think there's a significant chance Finley's number doesn't go up at all. But even if it does, it'll be next to a championship banner with Terry's name lining the top. And Finley's highlight videos will play next to Terry's, which feature two Finals performances, numerous clutch plays in huge playoff games, and Terry being the Mavs best player during their biggest game ever.

But yeah, Terry will be "much less fondly" remembered. Totally.

LonghornDub · 05-06-2012, 06:52 PM

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Is Finley a "Mavs great"? Personally, I'd have no problem with his jersey not being retired at all.

Ditto that. Finley was a good player and an exceptionally nice human being. I'm not sure he's anywhere near jersey-retirement level.

And to chum's remark that Terry just "happened to be" on the championship team: lol. Big lol.

chumdawg · 05-06-2012, 06:55 PM

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This is just so abstract and undefinable. He "transcends" the position? Ok. I'm glad you think so.

Do you not understand what "transcend" means?

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I think there's a significant chance Finley's number doesn't go up at all. But even if it does, it'll be next to a championship banner with Terry's name lining the top. And Finley's highlight videos will play next to Terry's, which feature two Finals performances, numerous clutch plays in huge playoff games, and Terry being the Mavs best player during their biggest game ever.

But yeah, Terry will be "much less fondly" remembered. Totally.

Ooooh, is that you "scoreboarding?" Scoreboarding a franchise stalwart? To win a message board bet?

mav4ever · 05-06-2012, 06:56 PM

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and Terry being the Mavs best player during their biggest game ever.

boom goes the dynamite

chumdawg · 05-06-2012, 07:01 PM

Hate to break it to you youngsters, but Finley was also the best player in our "biggest game ever," at least twice.

LonghornDub · 05-06-2012, 07:01 PM

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Do you not understand what "transcend" means?

I understand that you like to invoke unquantifiable concepts as much as possible because you know they're not falsifiable and you feel like this strengthens your position.

Here, I'll do the chum: Terry transcended the shooting-guard position. In fact, he did so more than Finley. Disprove.

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Ooooh, is that you "scoreboarding?" Scoreboarding a franchise stalwart? To win a message board bet?

I'd say Terry scoreboarded him by being the better player, both overall and in the most important games.

And in keeping with my adoption of chum tactics above, I'll also say that Terry is a greater "franchise stalwart" than Finley ever was.

LonghornDub · 05-06-2012, 07:04 PM

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Hate to break it to you youngsters, but Finley was also the best player in our "biggest game ever," at least twice.

I was wondering how long it would take you to explicitly bust out the old-man card. Well done. I just wish you hadn't used it to make such a preposterous argument.

chumdawg · 05-06-2012, 07:06 PM

And you are establishing what? That sports message board conversations are by their very nature inane? Good job, hero.

(P.S. You still don't get "transcend," when it comes to Finley.)