D-M.com Fantasy Football 2008

[sike]

I just need a week of consistent play from every spot...so far, each week I've had two guys not even play and had very marginal production from far too many usually dependable guys.

[BGMaverick9]

Yeah, me too. I've basically played with 1 QB and 1.5 or 1.25 of the RB spots.

I'm just saying, if those WRs fly, WATCH OUT. And if I can get some production from the holes I mentioned above, that would be welcomed, lol.

But like I said before, it's going to be a great matchup!

[Underdog]

I know I'm not in the d-m.com FFL, but I wanted an opinion about a trade someone offered me (both lineups gain positions of need - I have Brandon Marshall & Chris Chambers at wideout and Frank Gore & Matt Forte as backs, so this just solidifies my bench/flex rotation):


Outgoing:

Randy Moss
Torry Holt
LenDale White
Ted Ginn Jr.


Incoming:

Larry Fitzgerald
Greg Jennings
Darren McFadden
Felix Jones


I'm not so worried about coming up "on the short end" as I am getting vetoed by other GMs...

[BGMaverick9]

if that trade doesn't get shot down...that's great for you. Even if you have to adjust the WR but not involve Marshall, then it's still great for you.

Originally Posted by Underdog

I know I'm not in the d-m.com FFL, but I wanted an opinion about a trade someone offered me (both lineups gain positions of need - I have Brandon Marshall & Chris Chambers at wideout and Frank Gore & Matt Forte as backs, so this just solidifies my bench/flex rotation):


Outgoing:

Randy Moss
Torry Holt
LenDale White
Ted Ginn Jr.


Incoming:

Larry Fitzgerald
Greg Jennings
Darren McFadden
Felix Jones


I'm not so worried about coming up "on the short end" as I am getting vetoed by other GMs...

[BGMaverick9]

When do the WW pickups/claims show up on the espn league? Was it early thursday morning last week?

[jthig32]

Each player on waivers has an indicator showing when they will clear. Right now each player shows "Thur" next to their waiver status.

[BGMaverick9]

ok, cool...thanks jthig!

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I know I'm not in the d-m.com FFL, but I wanted an opinion about a trade someone offered me (both lineups gain positions of need - I have Brandon Marshall & Chris Chambers at wideout and Frank Gore & Matt Forte as backs, so this just solidifies my bench/flex rotation):


Outgoing:

Randy Moss
Torry Holt
LenDale White
Ted Ginn Jr.


Incoming:

Larry Fitzgerald
Greg Jennings
Darren McFadden
Felix Jones


I'm not so worried about coming up "on the short end" as I am getting vetoed by other GMs...

Someone really wants to do that trade with you? They'd be getting completely robbed blind.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

I kind of think of Fantasy leagues like NCAA Tournament Brackets. It loses alot of its meaning when you have so many different ones. When you just have one and you just see what happens win or lose I think is better. But that's just my opinion.

[chumdawg]

I've been offered Plaxy and DMac for Marshall and Tony Gonzalez. Thoughts?

I have at RB:

Steven Jackson
Earnest Graham
Jonathan Stewart
DeAngelo Williams
Rashard Mendenhall

And at WR:

Marshall
Braylon Edwards
Marvin Harrison
Roddy White

And I have Tony Scheffler also on my roster, who I think is going to have a good fantasy season.

Please advise.

[Flacolaco]

Plaxico has been so money for me in 2 leagues so far this year, chum. I don't know how long that can continue, what with E-Manning being the president of dumb face that he is....but boy Burress has been great.

[BGMaverick9]

Burress is good but I guess it's up to you on how high you value DMac. I think as a whole you're ok at RB. He doesn't seem like a no brainer to fix the situation. Marshall's value has to be sky high right now too...that should be able to help in a trade too. I would think the no brainers are guys like Barber or you're a Gore fan right? Either way, it's a short list. I think you'll be 2nd guessing yourself a lot on RBs each week. It's a nice problem, but ones that hurt when massive points get lost on the bench.

Plax is nice for Marshall but I dunno if you could do that one.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Someone really wants to do that trade with you? They'd be getting completely robbed blind.

Yeah, he seems to have a hard-on for Randy Moss and thinks he's going to do some big things with Cassell in the next few weeks... I think he's crazy, but he started J.T. O'Sullivan this week when only .7% of ESPN GMs started him and it yielded him 17 points and a victory, so maybe he knows something I don't? (or maybe he's incredibly lucky...)

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Yeah, he seems to have a hard-on for Randy Moss and thinks he's going to do some big things with Cassell in the next few weeks... I think he's crazy, but he started J.T. O'Sullivan this week when only .7% of ESPN GMs started him and it yielded him 17 points and a victory, so maybe he knows something I don't? (or maybe he's incredibly lucky...)

did your deal get shot down?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I've been offered Plaxy and DMac for Marshall and Tony Gonzalez. Thoughts?

I have at RB:

Steven Jackson
Earnest Graham
Jonathan Stewart
DeAngelo Williams
Rashard Mendenhall

And at WR:

Marshall
Braylon Edwards
Marvin Harrison
Roddy White

And I have Tony Scheffler also on my roster, who I think is going to have a good fantasy season.

Please advise.

Plax & Marshall are kind of a wash - I'd trust Cutler more than Eli, but Cutler has more weapons than Eli, so Plax has the edge...

Dmac will probably put up more fantasy points with the Raiders than ANY of your running backs, especially with Fargas sidelined with a groin injury - it's the perfect opportunity for him to step up (sidenote: S-Jax has been really disappointing so far...)

I don't know if I'm sold on Scheffler, but Gonzales is a SMALL price to pay for McFadden - tight ends just don't yield as many points as running backs, case closed...

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I don't know if I'm sold on Scheffler, but Gonzales is a SMALL price to pay for McFadden - tight ends just don't yield as many points as running backs, case closed...

It's not how many points they put up...it's the difference in how many they will put up versus their replacement. (Also, this is a PPR league.)

The question is whether I gain more points going from Stewart or Graham to DMac than I lose going from Gonzalez to Scheffler (and not having a backup, if that comes into play).

And then, of course, the whole question of Burress versus Marshall.

I'm tempted to like the deal because I'd be selling Marshall high. But then again, maybe Marshall is the real deal.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

did your deal get shot down?

Not yet - I accepted the deal, I just hope nobody vetoes it in the next two days (so far I have zero votes out of four...)

Actually, I'm not sure if anyone will veto the trade - this guy has been killing us and I won't have nearly the team he did once the trade goes down... A couple GMs see this as a perfect opportunity to balance our lop-sided league (but with our luck Moss will go off for 30 points per week for the rest of the season...)

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I'm tempted to like the deal because I'd be selling Marshall high. But then again, maybe Marshall is the real deal.

The only reason I'm cashing-in on Moss is because I have Marshall - I believe Denver's offense is going to be great this season and he's Cutler's #1 target (although gaining Jennings & Fitzgerald makes it a lot easier to have faith...)

Still, you can't go wrong with Plax... And Dmac might be shaping up to be this year's Adrian Peterson (if Forte doesn't snag that honor...)


Then again, we've only seen 2 weeks of football...

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

It's not how many points they put up...it's the difference in how many they will put up versus their replacement. (Also, this is a PPR league.)

The question is whether I gain more points going from Stewart or Graham to DMac than I lose going from Gonzalez to Scheffler (and not having a backup, if that comes into play).

And then, of course, the whole question of Burress versus Marshall.

I'm tempted to like the deal because I'd be selling Marshall high. But then again, maybe Marshall is the real deal.

I guess my cons are that I would hate the 2nd guessing that could ensue each week with all the RBs. It's a great problem to have and can maybe help you fix a hole that might open later in the year, but it's still a headache. Also, I think Marshall is going to be legit this year. Is McFadden/Burress the highest you think you can get with the RB/WR return?

[Underdog]

Too much depth at RB is a great problem to have in fantasy football (injuries ALWAYS happen...)

Plus, every point that rots on your bench is a point your opponents aren't earning either...

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Is McFadden/Burress the highest you think you can get with the RB/WR return?

Good question. I haven't shopped it around at all. I was just responding to the one trade request that came my way. I know that he is desperate for TE play, so I figured he might be overpaying.

See, I like Burress...liked him from the get-go this year. If I thought DMac was going to be something this year, I would be inclined to take the deal.

But...this is a PPR league and so far Marshall is an absolute monster. Sigh...I don't know what the hell to do.

[BGMaverick9]

Yeah, we're just looking at the same thing from two different view points. I don't disagree with what you're sayin'!

is that trade you're waiting on Underdog a keeper league or just re-draft?

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Then again, we've only seen 2 weeks of football...

Yeah, that's the thing. It seems like Week One often produces some anomalies. But, what can you tell after Week Two?

In this case, I think we have a pretty decent idea of what players like Moss and Marshall and Burress are going to do. A guy like DMac is hard to figure, though.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Good question. I haven't shopped it around at all. I was just responding to the one trade request that came my way. I know that he is desperate for TE play, so I figured he might be overpaying.

See, I like Burress...liked him from the get-go this year. If I thought DMac was going to be something this year, I would be inclined to take the deal.

But...this is a PPR league and so far Marshall is an absolute monster. Sigh...I don't know what the hell to do.

I think the fact Marshall got you 18 points ALONE by just catching the ball is a huge, huge deal. Anything on top of that is $$$. He's going to get the ball a lot, it's just a matter of he can get yardage to keep up with TDs.

I would see what Marshall can get you, at max value. If that deal is the max, then you're torn obviously. If you can get better, then obviously it's more inclined for you to take it.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

A guy like DMac is hard to figure, though.

True dat...

But Russell still has a ways to develop as QB and Fargas is primed to lose his starting job - I have a feeling that Dmac will "get his" week in and week out with a couple huge games in between (perfect for the flex position, if you have one in your league...)

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

is that trade you're waiting on Underdog a keeper league or just re-draft?

Re-draft (keeper leagues tend to backfire when players go down for the season - just ask anyone who kept Brady!)

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

BG that trade we talked about, I proposed the offer. It's up to you now.


Edit: Sent the wrong trade to you twice, but I fixed it now.

[u2sarajevo]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Re-draft (keeper leagues tend to backfire when players go down for the season - just ask anyone who kept Brady!)

*raises hand*

*cries*

*sucks thumb and sulks*

[Underdog]

My trade went through!



Moss/LDWhite/Holt/GinnJr

for

McFadden/Jennings/Fitzgerald/FELIX JONES!!! (I got my Cowboy like Jerry got his Razorback!)



I had a great draft, but I’ve made some other good trades and had some dumb luck on the waiver wire… I traded Patrick Crayton for Shockey to a guy who got screwed in his autodraft by getting too many TEs and only 2 crappy WRs (Crayton is sadly still his #1) and acquired Cooley off the waiver wire from another guy who had the SAME thing happen to him [between the two of them, they still have Witten, Clark, Gates and Gonzales at TE – the autodraft sucks!]… I also got Chambers off the wire (somebody foolishly dumped him after a mediocre week 1 performance) and picked up Cassell and Buffalo’s defense (had San Diego’s…)

I’m soooo friggin’ stacked now!



16 players (9 starters, 7 bench) - 1 QB, 2 RBs, 1 Flex, 2 WRs, 1 TE, 1 D/ST, 1 K

QBs:: Brees / Garrard / Cassell
RBs:: Gore / Forte / McFadden / can’t spell FELIX without “flex” / K.Smith
WRs:: Marshall / Chambers / Jennings / Fitzgerald
TEs:: Shockey / Cooley
D/ST:: Buffalo
K:: Kaeding (SD)


Yeah, I know I have “too much” depth, but it’s a long season – injuries happen (and now I won’t have to trade low or pray to the waiver wire gods when it does)… The only thing I have to worry about now is playing the right guy in the right matchup, which is exactly the kind of “problem” I was looking for…




I totally fleeced this guy [and HE’S the one who proposed the trade!]

He has waaaay too much faith in Cassell/Moss…

[alby]

^ tell me how it goes by the end of the year!

[BGMaverick9]

Faith in Moss isn't the worst thing in the world, lol. Faith in Matt, that's a different story.
Underdog, you totally wrecked shop on that deal, props to you. Congrats man.

In our Keeper League, it is true...I'm doing that trade of LT. I've quietly had him on the market for about 2 weeks.

[Flacolaco]

I have LT in 2 other leagues. And I am discouraged.

[Evilmav2]

I'm still deciding if I've did the right thing with this trade, but I'd appreciate any of y'all's opinions on it. In a league that has standard scoring + counts passing TD's as being worth six points, I just made the following trade:

Jay Cutler
Patrick Crayton
Chris Perry

For

Jake Delhomme
Larry Johnson
Steve Smith

This was a league where I drafted Tom Brady in the 1st round, and then gambled and took Romo in the second with a mind to trade one of them later on, and the league roster settings are QB/WR/WR/WR/RB/RB/TE/WR-TE/K/D/7-bench spots. My post-trade depth chart at present stands at:

QB - Tony Romo/Jake Delhomme/Matt Cassel
WR - Calvin Johnson/Anquin Boldin/Steve Smith/Marqeus Colston/Devery Henderson
RB - Chris Johnson/Kevin Smith/Larry Johnson/Sammy Morris/Chester Taylor/Michael Bush
TE- Dallas Clark
DEF - Buffalo
K - David Akers

Again, I am trying to decide whether I made a mistake and sold Cutler for too low a price here, so I would greatly welcome any of y'alls opinions concerning the matter ...

[jthig32]

Whoah whoah whoah!

BG gave Nike LT straight up for Forte??? Really???

[Flacolaco]

We haven't seen Smith yet, so it's too early to tell imo.

Cutler sure has looked good though... I don't know evil.

[Evilmav2]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Whoah whoah whoah!

BG gave Nike LT straight up for Forte??? Really???

Yup... It's a helluva gamble, but I just approved it on the keeper league...

[jthig32]

Evil, I think it's a good trade overall for your team, but my gut tells me in a month you'll be convninced you sold low on Cutler. I think this is his transition into being a star.

So I think definitely think you won that trade, in the sense that traded a luxury for some upgrades to your weekly lineup, but I suspect you'll be able to get more than that for Cutler in a few more weeks.

Just my opinion.

[Evilmav2]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

We haven't seen Smith yet, so it's too early to tell imo.

Cutler sure has looked good though... I don't know evil.

Originally Posted by jthig32

Evil, I think it's a good trade overall for your team, but my gut tells me in a month you'll be convninced you sold low on Cutler. I think this is his transition into being a star.

So I think definitely think you won that trade, in the sense that traded a luxury for some upgrades to your weekly lineup, but I suspect you'll be able to get more than that for Cutler in a few more weeks.

Just my opinion.

Yeah... I just hate to leave all of those points sitting on the bench when I've already got Romo and now two decent back-up QB options available on my squad. Because no team can start more than two RB's, and needs to fill four WR spots (one is a WR/TE flex), many of the teams in this league are forced to sit their strong 3rd and 4th options at RB, and start comically bad WR's to fill out their teams, so I tend to look at elite or near-elite WR's as being the scarcest resource available via trade or the waiver wire... Again though, both of y'all are right and I almost certainly sold a bit too low on Cutler, and I will definitely not be happy if LJ's production really does slide off the cliff this year, but at least I do have a strong feeling that Smith is going to plug right into this resurgent, confident, winning Carolina team and put up some impressive production (if he can stay healthy)...

[chumdawg]

If Smith comes back anything like his old self, I think you will end up really liking the deal.

[FINtastic]

Yeah Evil I agree with the chorus that I think it wasn't a bad trade on your part in that you did make an upgrade with Steve Smith, but I might have tried to hold out for more. If I was you, I would have tried to make a significant upgrade at one of your RB spots. Still, not a bad trade in that Smith should put up pretty good numbers again now that David Carr-wreck isn't the guy throwing him the ball anymore.