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Purple&Gold · 05-07-2007, 10:26 PM

I hate to even bring up this crapola but the rumor going around is..

Shaq for Damp,Harris,Stack....

Please just take this s**t with a grain of salt.

pkdumas · 05-07-2007, 10:27 PM

Don't want him.

nashtymavsfan13 · 05-07-2007, 10:28 PM

Hell no, Shaq doesn't have many years left at all. We would be left with no 2 guard and no 6th man, that's a lot of holes to fill.

Purple&Gold · 05-07-2007, 10:31 PM

Word is.. the management from the Heat are tired of Shaq's act there was something mentioned about how Shaq told his teammates not to play defense. so thats why they might trade him.

chumdawg · 05-07-2007, 10:33 PM

If all they want is Harris and Stack to make the upgrade from Damp to Shaq...oh my goodness, where do I sign?!

u2sarajevo · 05-07-2007, 10:39 PM

That sounds too good to be true though. Doesn't he make like 20 million? That's not enough salary.... I don't think. I guess it would depend on what we pay Stack in a sign and trade...

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 05-07-2007, 10:56 PM

Where is this supposed rumor? got a link?

Purple&Gold · 05-07-2007, 11:02 PM

LINK

TomThaMavsFan · 05-07-2007, 11:09 PM

no way do you want shaq for that, he's way past his prime.

AxdemxO · 05-07-2007, 11:14 PM

Shaq is old and slow and cant score any better than Damp in my Opinion. NO

dirno2000 · 05-07-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple&Gold

Word is.. the management from the Heat are tired of Shaq's act there was something mentioned about how Shaq told his teammates not to play defense. so thats why they might trade him.

They're not tired of his act, they're tired of paying $20MM a year for a player in serious decline.

ballin_boi · 05-07-2007, 11:22 PM

eeeeewwww! Back when we were supposed to get him along with McGrady when they just past their primes it sounded like a dream come true. Now it's just icky....

LonghornDub · 05-07-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Shaq is old and slow and cant score any better than Damp in my Opinion. NO

I agree he's old and slow but I'm quite certain he can score more than Damp.

Not saying I want him, but yeah.

ballin_boi · 05-07-2007, 11:31 PM

Just say no to Snaq.

mqywaaah · 05-07-2007, 11:39 PM

Nah uh. Shaq is passe.

Tokey41 · 05-07-2007, 11:42 PM

He sits out half the season and has a monster contract for multiple years... no thank you. His attitude will influence the team, look at the Heat... bunch of unmotivated sacks of crap, they couldnt even get motivated for their actual playoff games.

And1 · 05-07-2007, 11:51 PM

This would be fun, Yao vs Shaq.

mqywaaah · 05-07-2007, 11:53 PM

Yeah... crappy kind of fun.

EricaLubarsky · 05-08-2007, 12:45 AM

Sam Smith is the worst kind of writer.

bernardos70 · 05-08-2007, 12:55 AM

Does that link to the chicago tribune? Phew, for a second I started believing it. I'm glad it's all clarified now.

MFFL · 05-08-2007, 01:05 AM

Damp, Buckner, and a sign and trade Stack would be all I would offer. Shaq would probably be motivated for ONE year and that makes it worthwhile all by itself.

But I'm sure somebody would offer more than that. Shaq sells tickets. He won't go to a premier team but someone like Atlanta or someone would want him more than us.

Dortmund · 05-08-2007, 01:15 AM

hell yeah. i think shaq for 20 million is worth it more than dampier for 10 million. what the hell are we paying someone 10 million for if they are not gonna appear in a elimination game??

diop it like its hot · 05-08-2007, 01:18 AM

It's funny how quick a players status can change amongst fans. A few years ago most Mavs fans were begging for Shaq. Now no one wants him.

Is this because of the trend of small ball?

He's not in his prime anymore, but I'd trade Damp and a couple of other role players for him. I know thats alot of money, but I think he and a real PG would get us a ring.

MFFL · 05-08-2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dortmund

hell yeah. i think shaq for 20 million is worth it more than dampier for 10 million. what the hell are we paying someone 10 million for if they are not gonna appear in a elimination game??

I don't know how much SHAQ would play either. Who would he have guarded? Dirk had a ton of trouble guarding those guys and he's much quicker than Shaq.

kenny9 · 05-08-2007, 01:23 AM

well it would be a trade off..no one on GS would be able to guard shaq...and he woudnt guard them...however he'd intimidate them to drive...imagine a 300 pound man hard fouling you..thats gotta sting...ofcourse being a nellie team...it'd be hack-a-shaq all game!

in anycase Miami would not do that trade unless they would Walker with him...and they know that would just turn us away!

Dirkadirkastan · 05-08-2007, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Sam Smith is the worst kind of writer.

Did he just say the general sentiment in Dallas is that Nowitzki has to leave?

dalmations202 · 05-08-2007, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Did he just say the general sentiment in Dallas is that Nowitzki has to leave?

He did, and he is one big Dumba$$. Outside of this board, I have heard no one want him to be moved.

On the Shaq deal.... it wouldn't be on top of the list, but I would darn sure listen to it. Even if Shaq is your 6th man and only gets 20 min a night, he is still a weapon.

mqywaaah · 05-08-2007, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dortmund

hell yeah. i think shaq for 20 million is worth it more than dampier for 10 million. what the hell are we paying someone 10 million for if they are not gonna appear in a elimination game??

You related to Cuban?

robz · 05-08-2007, 08:50 AM

not worth giving up harris. harris and howard are the future!

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 05-08-2007, 08:56 AM

"And then there is Dallas, which is where Shaq wanted to go when he was breaking up with the Lakers."

Uh, what? everything I read around that time was that Shaq refused to go to Dallas.

sike · 05-08-2007, 09:01 AM

Shaq would bring some balls and some attitude that IS needed...but I'd rather move JT than Harris....

92bDad · 05-08-2007, 09:01 AM

Shaq straight up for Damp...maybe...

Saddly Shaq is on the very tail end of his career and I'm not sure he has enough left to help a team. Sure some strong games here and there...but enough to carry this team over the hump...I don't think so.

Exactly how would he have helped against the Warriors?

By the way, adding Stack and Harris to the mix in a trade is insane. Harris, to me, is an untouchable. I would give Terry away before I give Harris up...Stack is another on the bubble that I would lean towards protecting. He the tough guy on the team who actually comes through in crucial moments.

I still look at a Terry and Howard for KG type of move, and then I see what I can do to bring Kidd in here. Give Kidd a year or two of grooming Harris and Harris could become a complete PG!!! Have KG and Dirk put up some points with an inside outside game and then fill the roster in with role players.

Take the regular season as a training camp...don't worry about winning the conference out right...but train for the post-season...a combination of Kidd, KG and Dirk would be tough come the post season...all three would have a chip on their shoulder with very little time left to prove they are Champions. Harris would be a spark off the bench...this could work...

Shaq here in Dallas at this stage of his career...as much as I like Shaq...it would not work!!!

sike · 05-08-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by robz

not worth giving up harris. harris and howard are the future!

Dirk is the future...either Dirk or a some package that Dirk brings...but no doubt its about Dirk.

sike · 05-08-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

I still look at a Terry and Howard for KG type of move, and then I see what I can do to bring Kidd in here. Give Kidd a year or two of grooming Harris and Harris could become a complete PG!!! Have KG and Dirk put up some points with an inside outside game and then fill the roster in with role players.

this suggestion is not as "out there" as the fans of this site will suggest...but I would happily trade those two to get KG. We would not have to worry about double teams for another 4 years.

SeriousSummer · 05-08-2007, 09:49 AM

You take this deal, unless you are completely, certifiably brain dead. The hospital is readying a room for the organ transplants now.

Harris and Howard are not the future of the Dallas Mavericks, unless that future is Seattle (and Harris and Howard aren't even nearly as good as Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis).

The future is now, over the next few years while Dirk is still Dirk.

Or you tear it all up, trade Dirk for young players and draft choices and rebuild.

Stop before I scream! Nobody trades us LeBron or Kobe or Garnett or any other major superstar for anyone on the Mavs except Dirk, unless:

1. That player is demanding out and the Mavs make the best offer; or
2. The team has decided to rebuild; or
3. There is a big defect, personality, age, behavior, salary, that goes along with the player.

So if you want to add to Dirk, be prepared to give up at least Harris or Howard (maybe both) and other players and draft choices as well.

What players could you (outside of your fantasy life) hope to get?

Jermaine O'Neal is probably at the top of the list (wants out, Indiana may decide to rebuild); Gasol is either first or second (wants out); Shaq (age, effort & salary, Miami may rebuild--Wade is young); Ray Allen (age); Zach Randolph (doesn't fit in with Portland's rebulding effort, work ethic problems); Artest (no need to explain); Maggette (problems with the coach); Kidd (if New Jersey decides to rebuild); I may have missed a couple, and I didn't go down to second tier guys that aren't worth Harris or Howard (or where it's a close call) or players that are few agents and so you might have a chance at a sign and trade.

Dallas can only pay the MLE for a free agent, so that won't get a top free agent.

The only serious question is whether the player is worth only one of Howard and Harris or both.

All the players above are worth one of Harris or Howard and other stuff. To me, only O'Neal and Gasol are worth both.

The future is now.

sike · 05-08-2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SeriousSummer

You take this deal, unless you are completely, certifiably brain dead. The hospital is readying a room for the organ transplants now.

Harris and Howard are not the future of the Dallas Mavericks, unless that future is Seattle (and Harris and Howard aren't even nearly as good as Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis).

The future is now, over the next few years while Dirk is still Dirk.

Or you tear it all up, trade Dirk for young players and draft choices and rebuild.

Stop before I scream! Nobody trades us LeBron or Kobe or Garnett or any other major superstar for anyone on the Mavs except Dirk, unless:

1. That player is demanding out and the Mavs make the best offer; or
2. The team has decided to rebuild; or
3. There is a big defect, personality, age, behavior, salary, that goes along with the player.

So if you want to add to Dirk, be prepared to give up at least Harris or Howard (maybe both) and other players and draft choices as well.

What players could you (outside of your fantasy life) hope to get?

Jermaine O'Neal is probably at the top of the list (wants out, Indiana may decide to rebuild); Gasol is either first or second (wants out); Shaq (age, effort & salary, Miami may rebuild--Wade is young); Ray Allen (age); Zach Randolph (doesn't fit in with Portland's rebulding effort, work ethic problems); Artest (no need to explain); Maggette (problems with the coach); Kidd (if New Jersey decides to rebuild); I may have missed a couple, and I didn't go down to second tier guys that aren't worth Harris or Howard (or where it's a close call) or players that are few agents and so you might have a chance at a sign and trade.

Dallas can only pay the MLE for a free agent, so that won't get a top free agent.

The only serious question is whether the player is worth only one of Howard and Harris or both.

All the players above are worth one of Harris or Howard and other stuff. To me, only O'Neal and Gasol are worth both.

The future is now.

i love you

dude1394 · 05-08-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SeriousSummer

You take this deal, unless you are completely, certifiably brain dead. The hospital is readying a room for the organ transplants now.

Harris and Howard are not the future of the Dallas Mavericks, unless that future is Seattle (and Harris and Howard aren't even nearly as good as Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis).

The future is now, over the next few years while Dirk is still Dirk.

Or you tear it all up, trade Dirk for young players and draft choices and rebuild.

Stop before I scream! Nobody trades us LeBron or Kobe or Garnett or any other major superstar for anyone on the Mavs except Dirk, unless:

1. That player is demanding out and the Mavs make the best offer; or
2. The team has decided to rebuild; or
3. There is a big defect, personality, age, behavior, salary, that goes along with the player.

So if you want to add to Dirk, be prepared to give up at least Harris or Howard (maybe both) and other players and draft choices as well.

What players could you (outside of your fantasy life) hope to get?

Jermaine O'Neal is probably at the top of the list (wants out, Indiana may decide to rebuild); Gasol is either first or second (wants out); Shaq (age, effort & salary, Miami may rebuild--Wade is young); Ray Allen (age); Zach Randolph (doesn't fit in with Portland's rebulding effort, work ethic problems); Artest (no need to explain); Maggette (problems with the coach); Kidd (if New Jersey decides to rebuild); I may have missed a couple, and I didn't go down to second tier guys that aren't worth Harris or Howard (or where it's a close call) or players that are few agents and so you might have a chance at a sign and trade.

Dallas can only pay the MLE for a free agent, so that won't get a top free agent.

The only serious question is whether the player is worth only one of Howard and Harris or both.

All the players above are worth one of Harris or Howard and other stuff. To me, only O'Neal and Gasol are worth both.

The future is now.

Very true bro'

Dirkenstien · 05-08-2007, 10:08 AM

If I'm trading Howard and Harris I better get the # 1 or #2 pick in this year's draft or a young superstar in return.

I love Garnett but his age, coupled with his miles, makes for a soon-to-be decline in his career. And what if it didn't work out? You have two aging super-stars with huge contracts that you probably won't get anything substantial for in return.

But if you get a young superstar to pair with Dirk then you have a safety net. If it doesn't work out you trade Dirk and build around the young talent (Oden, Durant, etc.)

MavsX · 05-08-2007, 10:10 AM

no thank you

BaylorTMW · 05-08-2007, 10:12 AM

I want to see what happens with Artest in Sac town. With the unfortunate incident with his wife, they are probably going to want to unload him. I think he would be a perfect basketball fit for what the Mavs need at the 2-guard.

Now for him personally and off the court, that nutjob wife beater is everything i don't want the mavs to be...