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FiZth · 01-09-2011, 06:56 AM

Billups Will Seek Buyout If Traded To Nets
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...raded_to_nets/

When Billups really doesn't want to play for Nets, then I think we have a chance to bring him here. Let's mix in to this Denver, Nets, Pistons deal. We give up Terry + picks, cash, Ajinca, Jones or what ever not needed resource we have for Billups. I know Nets wants also RIP, but I think our FO can make it happend. With Kidd playing also SG and we would have good chance to win it all, then I think everybody would be happy.

+ We would still have Butler to trade for some SF/PF type of player.

Also I'm scared of a idea that Billups gets his buyout and goes to Lakers/Miami. Then we are screwed. No way we can play zone defense against them.

But this might work quite well:

Chandler - 30 | Haywood - 15 | Mahimi - 3
Nowitzki - 35 | Marion - 5 | New PF/SF - 8
Marion - 30 | Stevenson - 13 | New PF/SF - 5
Kidd 10 | Roddy - 28 | Stevenson - 10
Billups - 30 | Kidd - 17 | Barea -1

I think when needed, Kidd and Billups doesn't mind to split only PG minutes to give Stevenson and Roddy more time. And I would like to see somebody doble team Dirk or play zone against us when we have:

Chandler
Nowitzki
Stevenson
Roddy
Billups

deamon · 01-09-2011, 07:56 AM

I said it before, I will again. Billups is 2 bus stops behind Kidd, and you want him to be our first PG ?

FiZth · 01-09-2011, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by deamon

I said it before, I will again. Billups is 2 bus stops behind Kidd, and you want him to be our first PG ?

I'm not even going to ask how you got so much negative rep.

Billups is still top10 PG and is playoff-proven. He knows how to win. We can play him as SG, Kidd as PG on offense. Kidd as SG and him as PG on defense. Worst case scenario, he would be upgrade over Terry (+ Billups can play defense). He would be exactly what we need next to Dirk. Hard-nosed defender (when it matters) and a team player who can knock down 3 ball.

Then we would have everything we need to go for Championship:
- Deep PG and C pos.
- Elite superstar and in my opinion, Billups is much better second option then Terry or Butler
- Defenders who can stop other teams superstars (Marion, Stevenson)
- Hopefuly young superstar (Roddy), who can take over few games
- 3 point shooting
- Veterans who know how to win

Rebounding is still a big question, but Billups is much better rebounder and when we can trade Butler for better rebounder, then we can contest everybody.

sefant77 · 01-09-2011, 09:38 AM

Getting Billups with losing Terry is maximum a wash.

We need an addition to Terry so we are not depending so much on him.

FiZth · 01-09-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Getting Billups with losing Terry is maximum a wash.

We need an addition to Terry so we are not depending so much on him.

As much I love Terry for team chemistry and how he can end games, then you really want to compare playoff Billups and playoff Terry effect?

I don't even start to compare Terry and Billups defense (career wise in playoffs), but there is 2 more things we would need badly from Terry (FTM and better 3P%):

FTA 2010/11:
Billups - 6,8
Terry - 2,4

3P% 2010/11
Billups - 43,1%
Terry - 34%

Team 3P% - 14th
Fouls against us - 30th
and we need better defense.

deamon · 01-09-2011, 11:47 AM

Definitely Billups is better player than Terry in PO, but isn't better PG than Kidd.
And he doesn't give us title. We still need starting SF. Marion can be backup for SF and Dirk in PO. I just don't see Kidd playing as SG in defense against Manu or Bryant.

FiZth · 01-09-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by deamon

Definitely Billups is better player than Terry in PO, but isn't better PG than Kidd.

I don't go as far as to say who is better PG overall or for us but we don't need to know. We need better offense when they double Dirk and when bench is playing - for this there is Billups. And when we need more delivering, then there is Kidd.

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Originally Posted by deamon

I just don't see Kidd playing as SG in defense against Manu or Bryant.

And you see Terry doing better job? I don't. Kidd is quite offten defending other team SG's. For Bryant and Manu we have Stevenson, so I don't have any problem Kidd defending for example Artest for 5-10 minutes, thats maximum we need.

When we play our version of zone defense then Kidd+Billups is way better then something like Kidd+Terry, Barea/Terry+and somebody else.

We can mach up with everybody playing like this:
PG: Kidd, Billups, Barea
SG: Roddy, Stevenson, Kidd, Billups
SF: Marion, Stevenson, somebody from Butler trade

tcat075 · 01-09-2011, 12:29 PM

No thanks.

deamon · 01-09-2011, 12:52 PM

I don't see even Terry playing in PO, maybe 5min per game.
Stevenson and Roddy should play SG.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-09-2011, 03:06 PM

I'm all for Billups coming here if the price is right.

BGMaverick9 · 01-09-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

No thanks.

Really, you do know what we have at the point guard position right? When all parts are healthy, it's still the weakest position on the court.

kg_veteran · 01-09-2011, 03:59 PM

Butler and cash for Billups. Get it done, Donnie!

Chandler/Haywood 48
Nowitzki 36 - Marion 12
Marion 23 - Stevenson 25
Beaubois 20 - Terry 20 - Billups 8
Kidd 34 - Billups 14

That lineup could get some things done.

BGMaverick9 · 01-09-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Butler and cash for Billups. Get it done, Donnie!

Chandler/Haywood 48
Nowitzki 36 - Marion 12
Marion 23 - Stevenson 25
Beaubois 20 - Terry 20 - Billups 8
Kidd 34 - Billups 14

That lineup could get some things done.

Even if he gets bought out...if he wants to get paid and be on a contender, Dallas still should be the best option. I'm pretty sure BOS, MIA, LA and the other big boys are OUT of monetary figures other than the absolute low veteran exception. Dallas does still have the remaining number out of the MLE.

I think Terry takes a major hit, MAJOR, if Billups came to Dallas.

j0Shi · 01-09-2011, 04:10 PM

Billups would surely be a plus in scoring coming off the bench behind Kidd. Kidds shot was off the entire season even with Dirk in the lineup. So it seems more and more probable that age cought up on him and his 40%+-days with the Mavs are over. Stevenson has really jumped in, but with Terry/Roddy or a possible trade addition on the roster he will be a role player again sooner or later. Our two PGs shoot 36.5% and 26.2% on 3s. That just won't do it.

mac222b · 01-09-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Even if he gets bought out...if he wants to get paid and be on a contender, Dallas still should be the best option. I'm pretty sure BOS, MIA, LA and the other big boys are OUT of monetary figures other than the absolute low veteran exception. Dallas does still have the remaining number out of the MLE.

I think Terry takes a major hit, MAJOR, if Billups came to Dallas.

This would be the best case scenario. also SA used their MLE on Tiago Splitter so they would be a long shot.
This team could really use Billups. It's also conceivable he simply returns to Denver though too, right? Or that he has a change of heart and stays in NJ for the rest of the season to give it a chance with Melo, Lopez, Rip.

Windmill360 · 01-09-2011, 05:56 PM

The Mavs were never in the Billups race in the first place.

buddha08 · 01-09-2011, 06:07 PM

Billups wants to stay in Denver. He is on the record saying as much. No way he is coming to Dallas. His roots are in Denver as is the future he is trying to build for himself in the organization as a coach or a gm or some other management position.

Thomas86 · 01-09-2011, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Butler and cash for Billups. Get it done, Donnie!

Chandler/Haywood 48
Nowitzki 36 - Marion 12
Marion 23 - Stevenson 25
Beaubois 20 - Terry 20 - Billups 8
Billups 34 - Kidd 14

That lineup could get some things done.

*Fixed

I think Kidd might be the one coming off the bench if Billups doesn't sell out and go the the Heat or Lakers and comes to the Mavs.

mac222b · 01-09-2011, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by buddha08

Billups wants to stay in Denver. He is on the record saying as much. No way he is coming to Dallas. His roots are in Denver as is the future he is trying to build for himself in the organization as a coach or a gm or some other management position.

This is most likely the case. But maybe it isn't as simple as that. Chauncey has a ring so that doesn't have as much meaning as it would for some other guys. But maybe he thinks twice about going right back to a team with no shot when he could do that just as easily after this season AND get paid an extra 5mil. to play for a contender for a few months. It may be that his agent is setting him up to get the best of all worlds. He gets to look like his own man(not riding Melo's coattails) gets to play for a contender, make some serious dough doing it and pledge his allegiance to the Denver organization all at once.

tcat075 · 01-09-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Really, you do know what we have at the point guard position right? When all parts are healthy, it's still the weakest position on the court.

Yes, BG, I know...I just saying that because I dislike him. Mainly its all the crap fouls he gets. He'd definitely help out, and his shooting percentages are better than last year, when my "Billups sucks" argument actually had some legitimate evidence.

BGMaverick9 · 01-09-2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Yes, BG, I know...I just saying that because I dislike him. Mainly its all the crap fouls he gets. He'd definitely help out, and his shooting percentages are better than last year, when my "Billups sucks" argument actually had some legitimate evidence.

Didn't know you had an agenda

EricaLubarsky · 01-10-2011, 12:15 AM

Billups is an amazing player and we'd be blessed to have him here. He's smart, he's wiley, he's just a little dirty. He can create for himself and he can create for others. He can punish defenses and would be a perfect Robin to Dirk's Batman. He's the perfect PG for us, honestly

I just dont wanna give up our chemistry. Maybe we wont be able to return to the amazing chemistry no matter what. Who knows?
PG is the most important position and it may set us back a half season just working him into our lineup but Billups has 1-2 more seasons in him after this one and other than unavailable PGs like Paul and Williams he's the best out there (with Andre Miller).

In one way he's 35 and a "right now" guy. In another, he may jeapardize THIS season for us by interrupting chemistry.

If Billups negotiates a buyout or gets waived, we HAVE to pick him up if we're even an option for him. Otherwise I dont see trading a lot for him. I'd prefer to bring in a 2/3 that can fit in without disrupting our system but Billups is the kinda guy that can do everything we need from a player

I doubt we are even in the race for him and I do have my concerns about working him into our system quickly, but he just does everything we need a point to do and addresses our issue of hanfcourt offense and a second scorer that can spread the floor behind Dirk.

dalger · 01-10-2011, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If Billups negotiates a buyout or gets waived, we HAVE to pick him up if we're even an option for him. Otherwise I dont see trading a lot for him. I'd prefer to bring in a 2/3 that can fit in without disrupting our system but Billups is the kinda guy that can do everything we need from a player

I doubt we are even in the race for him and I do have my concerns about working him into our system quickly, but he just does everything we need a point to do and addresses our issue of hanfcourt offense and a second scorer that can spread the floor behind Dirk.

If the Carmelo-to-NJ trade happened, Billups was part of it and wanted a buyout, we should definitely try to use the full MLE to sign him. It couldn't get any better than that as it relates to using the MLE.

I don't think he is what we need to replace Caron, but he would be one hell of a guy to sign for nothing more than the MLE.