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Magnum_3_Ball · 02-08-2018, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Great news Tyreke didn't get moved. Hopefully Memphis can win a few soon.

I second that notion! That's almost as good a news as the Mavs trading Harris.

Also really good to see PHX acquire Payton. All of those moves increase the chances of DAL finishing with a worse record than MEM & PHX. I've been beginning to think that ORL is strong enough to finish in the 28 win range, which should put them behind DAL, anyways.

That just leaves ATL & SAC as our main competition. BKN & CHI very close behind. Easy to see a path to a top 3 pick now tho

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-09-2018, 08:40 AM

a POR loss to SAC tonight would be SWEET!!

saclare · 02-09-2018, 10:15 AM

If anyone has any doubt in the Mavs tank effort after last night...

We closed out the 3rd with four undrafted players and DSJ. Four! And that was with the game in reach. I can see a trend of Carlisle going to the younger guys more and more while limiting the vets minutes in the 2nd half, or maybe even just capping their minutes per game. Time will tell, but there was no shortage of tank effort last night by all.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-09-2018, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by saclare

If anyone has any doubt in the Mavs tank effort after last night...

We closed out the 3rd with four undrafted players and DSJ. Four! And that was with the game in reach. I can see a trend of Carlisle going to the younger guys more and more while limiting the vets minutes in the 2nd half, or maybe even just capping their minutes per game. Time will tell, but there was no shortage of tank effort last night by all.

Awesome to hear!! I didn't stay up to watch this one because I couldn't see the Mavs beating GSW @ Golden State.

I hope they employ the exact same strategy vs SAC on Tues. We owe them a W lol!

saclare · 02-09-2018, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnum_3_Ball

Awesome to hear!! I didn't stay up to watch this one because I couldn't see the Mavs beating GSW @ Golden State.

I hope they employ the exact same strategy vs SAC on Tues. We owe them a W lol!

Yea once I saw the start of the 4th going the same way, I was good to tap out. Those west coast games can be a drag the next morning. But I had seen enough of DSJ and others to hit the hay. No interest in watching that lineup get racked up on by GSW.

MavzMan · 02-09-2018, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

No interest in watching that lineup get racked up on by GSW.

But you guys missed out on the Salah highlights of his no-look between the legs pass, his fast break/dunks!

EricaLubarsky · 02-09-2018, 10:29 AM

Lottery watch - Strength of remaining schedule

8) Bulls +2.0 (4th hardest schedule)
5) Nets +1.5 (13th hardest schedule)
5) Grizzlies +1.5 (23rd hardest schedule)
5) Magic +1.5 (23rd hardest schedule)
4) Kings +1.0 (11th hardest schedule)
3) Suns +0.5 (3rd hardest schedule)
1) Hawks === (18th hardest schedule)
1) Mavs === (24th hardest schedule)

27 games left

Robillion · 02-09-2018, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Lottery watch - Strength of remaining schedule

8) Bulls +2.0 (4th hardest schedule)
5) Nets +1.5 (13th hardest schedule)
5) Grizzlies +1.5 (23rd hardest schedule)
5) Magic +1.5 (23rd hardest schedule)
4) Kings +1.0 (11th hardest schedule)
3) Suns +0.5 (3rd hardest schedule)
1) Hawks === (18th hardest schedule)
1) Mavs === (24th hardest schedule)

27 games left

There is another way to look at this with some optimism if you are team tank. At the 24th hardest schedule, that means we will face a lot of teams either competing with us in tanking, in which case we get the chance to lose against them and set them back in the tank standings and the Mavs are easily just as bad as most of them if not worse, so still decent chance the Mavs lose. Or, the team we're playing is a fridge playoff team fighting to make the playoffs. I'm almost more afraid to play against top 10 teams that are safely in the playoffs, as there is always a chance of catching a team on a bad night for them/they got complacent and the young guys catching fire against them as they aim to prove themselves in the league.

saclare · 02-09-2018, 05:16 PM

This could be interesting...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...turning-season

Sounds like his health is in a good place, at the least. Would be cool to see him in some game action.

Underdog · 02-09-2018, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

This could be interesting...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...turning-season

Sounds like his health is in a good place, at the least. Would be cool to see him in some game action.

Oh hell yeah.

BPo001 · 02-09-2018, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

This could be interesting...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...turning-season

Sounds like his health is in a good place, at the least. Would be cool to see him in some game action.

No idea why he would take the risk of getting injured again when he will likely be a top 5 pick. Could potentially lose millions if he comes back and plays poorly/gets hurt again, but as a Mavs fan and a team that could be looking at him I sure hope he gets a few games in. If he comes back 100% he shoots back up in to contention for #1 overall.

hayth.james.g · 02-10-2018, 12:41 AM

At least the Bulls won tonight...

Underdog · 02-10-2018, 10:10 AM

@Dave_Matter: Porter Jr. on next year. "I've thought about it. It's not one way or the other. (The NBA) is still up in the air for me."

Underdog · 02-10-2018, 01:47 PM

@MavsDraft: Teams in attendance for Mo Bamba today include Philadelphia, Minnesota, Miami, Donnie Nelson and Dallas, Orlando, and many others

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-10-2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@MavsDraft: Teams in attendance for Mo Bamba today include Philadelphia, Minnesota, Miami, Donnie Nelson and Dallas, Orlando, and many others

I'd love Bamba, but Dallas will be visiting every prospect in the top 10 without question.

And it's still unclear how the draft goes. I'm not even positive right now that Ayton and Bagley are shoe-ins for 1 and 2. Ayton is more likely at 1, but I think 2 could be a surprise.

hayth.james.g · 02-10-2018, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'd love Bamba, but Dallas will be visiting every prospect in the top 10 without question.

And it's still unclear how the draft goes. I'm not even positive right now that Ayton and Bagley are shoe-ins for 1 and 2. Ayton is more likely at 1, but I think 2 could be a surprise.

My list as of today is:

1. Deandre Ayton
2. Luka Doncic
3. Marvin Bagley
4. Michael Porter (assuming positive health reports going into draft)
5. Toss up between Mohamed Bamba and Jaren Jackson Jr.

Some might try to suggest Trae Young.. yeah, no. No reason to go there with DSJ on the roster.

If we land 1-4 we are golden. There is a big part of me that wants to go all in on Luka. Everyone is in love with terms like "ceiling" and "floor" with the former being his downside, but to me the guy screams "champion". I would encourage everyone to watch his game by game tape, not just the compilations. It's amazing how much he impacts every possession.

mac222b · 02-10-2018, 10:29 PM

I would love Luka here. The way he is dominating professionals at age 18-19 can’t be denied

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-11-2018, 12:00 AM

Well maybe it's just the eye test, but Trae Young looks like he has a veeery short wingspan. That definitely matters at the next level. BUT, he could this year's DSJ in quality of player that might fall. Can't see him out of the top 7 though.

EricaLubarsky · 02-11-2018, 10:11 AM

Lottery watch - Strength of remaining schedule

8) Bulls +1.5 (4th hardest schedule)
5) Grizzlies +1.0 (23rd hardest schedule)
5) Nets +0.5 (13th hardest schedule)
5) Magic +0.5 (23rd hardest schedule)
3) Mavs === (24th hardest schedule)
3) Kings === (11th hardest schedule)
2) Suns -0.5 (3rd hardest schedule)
1) Hawks -1.0 (18th hardest schedule)

26 games left

tap2390 · 02-11-2018, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Lottery watch - Strength of remaining schedule

8) Bulls +1.5 (4th hardest schedule)
5) Grizzlies +1.0 (23rd hardest schedule)
5) Nets +0.5 (13th hardest schedule)
5) Magic +0.5 (23rd hardest schedule)
3) Mavs === (24th hardest schedule)
3) Kings === (11th hardest schedule)
2) Suns -0.5 (3rd hardest schedule)
1) Hawks -1.0 (18th hardest schedule)

26 games left

We need a top 3 pick. Top 4 if someone takes Young ahead of us.

Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, or bust.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-11-2018, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

We need a top 3 pick. Top 4 if someone takes Young ahead of us.

Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, or bust.

Totally disagree. Jaren Jackson and Bamba have huge potential. They aren't as established as those three you mentioned, but Bamba especially gets better with each game. Jackson is more of a work in progress, but he has the tools for sure.

I just feel like wasting our lives freaking out about the draft every season isn't worth it. Mavs are terrible and that's all you can really ask for.

tap2390 · 02-11-2018, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Totally disagree. Jaren Jackson and Bamba have huge potential. They aren't as established as those three you mentioned, but Bamba especially gets better with each game. Jackson is more of a work in progress, but he has the tools for sure.

I just feel like wasting our lives freaking out about the draft every season isn't worth it. Mavs are terrible and that's all you can really ask for.

Fair point that no matter where we pick we are terrible enough to get a blue-chip prospect, that being said I strongly believe that we need someone with a proven offensive game. The difference between drafting Ayton and Bamba is the same difference last year between DSJ and Ntlikina (not to that extent obviously, Bamba and JJJr. are both doing well). IMO you get very limited opportunities in the draft so you better use them on guys that can drop 20 a regular basis.

I’d be much happier drafting one of those three I mentioned, and either resigning Salah or signing Capela.

EricaLubarsky · 02-11-2018, 10:20 PM

Lottery watch - Strength of remaining schedule

8) Bulls +2.0 (4th hardest schedule)
5) Nets +1.0 (13th hardest schedule)
5) Magic +1.0 (23rd hardest schedule)
5) Grizzlies +1.0 (23rd hardest schedule)
1) Mavs === (24th hardest schedule)
1) Suns === (3rd hardest schedule)
1) Hawks === (18th hardest schedule)
1) Kings === (11th hardest schedule)

25 games left

Things are vicious. Four teams competing for 1st. Three more tied one game back. 1-7 all within a single game.

Robillion · 02-12-2018, 09:39 AM

So, we're either getting an Ayton/Doncic or a Bamba/Mikal. Honestly, I lean towards Bamba/Mikal/JJ Jr. over most others besides Ayton anyways. I'd happily trade a #1 overall (and more) for two of those together.

- Bagley is a beast, but I worry about him defensively. We need bigs that can defend the paint, block shots along with offense.

- Porter Jr. can be the best in the draft, or never get his HS groove back. Jumping from HS to the NBA with a major injury in between, seems too risky to me when the hope is to not have a 7 year+ rebuild. I'd rather go safe to at least try to capitalize on Barnes timeline.

- Doncic. I don't have an educated feeling aginst him. I feel the same way I did with him as I did with Ball. Just not sure if it all translates at a high level. Maybe I'm just averse to hype.

Underdog · 02-12-2018, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Robillion

So, we're either getting an Ayton/Doncic or a Bamba/Mikal. Honestly, I lean towards Bamba/Mikal/JJ Jr. over most others besides Ayton anyways. I'd happily trade a #1 overall (and more) for two of those together.

- Bagley is a beast, but I worry about him defensively. We need bigs that can defend the paint, block shots along with offense.

- Porter Jr. can be the best in the draft, or never get his HS groove back. Jumping from HS to the NBA with a major injury in between, seems too risky to me when the hope is to not have a 7 year+ rebuild. I'd rather go safe to at least try to capitalize on Barnes timeline.

- Doncic. I don't have an educated feeling aginst him. I feel the same way I did with him as I did with Ball. Just not sure if it all translates at a high level. Maybe I'm just averse to hype.

This is how I feel for the most part as well -- defense matters, and none of these guys totally suck at offense (even Bamba, for as much as people want to knock his offensive skills). Ayton isn't the strongest defender, but he's still a net positive. Porter Jr. is a big mystery, given his health and lost year of development, but he at least was a solid perimeter defender in high school... It's Doncic and Bagley that have me worried on that end of the floor, which is my biggest aversion to drafting either of them.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-12-2018, 10:29 AM

No one is doing a better job of tanking than the Memphis Grizzlies. They're the new frontrunner for worst record this season.

If anyone in the Mavs FO is paying attention, they should pull out a notepad & take notes.

Underdog · 02-12-2018, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnum_3_Ball

No one is doing a better job of tanking than the Memphis Grizzlies. They're the new frontrunner for worst record this season.

If anyone in the Mavs FO is paying attention, they should pull out a notepad & take notes.

The Mavs benched all their veterans last night -- don't know what else they can do to tank other than break DSJ's knees.

mac222b · 02-12-2018, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

The Mavs benched all their veterans last night -- don't know what else they can do to tank other than break DSJ's knees.

Sit the vets they sat last night against the Lakers. Sit Barnes against the Rockets. Not that that guarantees a loss either way. I think we can still beat some of these teams with our vets sitting just by virtue of Rick and young hungry legs. But it would've more likely led to 2 losses instead of a split

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-12-2018, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Sit the vets they sat last night against the Lakers. Sit Barnes against the Rockets. Not that that guarantees a loss either way. I think we can still beat some of these teams with our vets sitting just by virtue of Rick and young hungry legs. But it would've more likely led to 2 losses instead of a split

This is very true too. Against a worse opponent the tank effort has to be better. Memphis wasn't fooling around. They were down by 25 pts going into the 4th qtr vs ATL, they did not let their starters back in for significant minutes. If Memphis is playing a bottom 8 team that competes with them for lottery balls, they limit Gasol's minutes. They don't do it vs GSW, but then play them his usual minutes vs PHX. They don't do it like that. They're smart about it.

Granted, HOU let the Mavs hang around last night. But, that happens some times. All you can do is plan ahead & see how it rolls out. I guess be mindful that some teams like the Thunder play down to their competition too.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-12-2018, 03:02 PM

The Mavs are still two losses worse than the Grizzlies. Maybe we shouldn't panic about our draft pick just yet...

The fact is that 8 teams are in full tank mode so a less than desirable pick might happen no matter how you try to lose.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-12-2018, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

The Mavs benched all their veterans last night -- don't know what else they can do to tank other than break DSJ's knees.

Dallas has done several things lately towards a tank. The difference is Memphis has done everything they possibly can to tank. It's no accident they're 1-6 since they announced Conley Jr was being shut down for the season.

Look at the box score for their games vs PHX and vs ATL. Look at Gasol's minutes. Look at the players who received the most minutes compared to those players usual minutes. They pulled Tyreke from the lineup. They dealed James Ennis away pretty much just to get him off the roster, and take a late 2nd round pick back. They cut the player they received in return. Their real motive there was James Ennis helps us win games, he has to go!

When Memphis winds up with a top 4 pick this year, they'll have earned it. They are leaving no stone unturned... outside of maybe they could have taken a 2nd round pick for Evans, but I assume they're going to ration his minutes in tight games or vs key opponents the way they've been doing with Gasol.

The Mavs haven't gone that far yet.

Underdog · 02-12-2018, 03:04 PM

mac222b · 02-12-2018, 04:20 PM

Dudes, chill. We're all allowed to have differing viewpoints. This shouldn't ever get personal. We all want the same thing. It's valid to think that there is more they could do to tank. Its also valid to recognize that we ARE tanking, and that due to a unique set of circumstances we cant tank exactly the same way Memphis or ATL does.

I think its a good start that the vets set on the back to back. Wrong end of it, but its a start. I'm still expecting something like the 6th pick.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-12-2018, 04:24 PM

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Dudes, chill. We're all allowed to have differing viewpoints. This shouldn't ever get personal. We all want the same thing. It's valid to think that there is more they could do to tank. Its also valid to recognize that we ARE tanking, and that due to a unique set of circumstances we cant tank exactly the same way Memphis or ATL does.

I think its a good start that the vets set on the back to back. Wrong end of it, but its a start. I'm still expecting something like the 6th pick.

I've been respectful to the guy, but the dude is a dick. I've just had enough. He talks to me like he's my dad.

I've been looking at the other teams tanking habits, and I come across something interesting, so I'm excited to post it here & see what everybody thinks. Inside of 7 minutes, this clown is calling it a tirade & boiling down the rest of the season to last night's game, making ridiculous claims about breaking knees & basically telling me to shut up without ever bothering to look at 2 box scores.

Forget that guy.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-12-2018, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Dudes, chill. We're all allowed to have differing viewpoints. This shouldn't ever get personal. We all want the same thing. It's valid to think that there is more they could do to tank. Its also valid to recognize that we ARE tanking, and that due to a unique set of circumstances we cant tank exactly the same way Memphis or ATL does.

I think its a good start that the vets set on the back to back. Wrong end of it, but its a start. I'm still expecting something like the 6th pick.

Damn you and your reasonable opinion!

I think the tough call is benching Dirk since he is one of the few reasons Mavs fans come to games. DSJ is the primary reason you can do that since fans really like watching him.

mac222b · 02-12-2018, 04:46 PM

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Damn you and your reasonable opinion!

I think the tough call is benching Dirk since he is one of the few reasons Mavs fans come to games. DSJ is the primary reason you can do that since fans really like watching him.

I'd like to buy the world a (line of) Coke, and teach it harmony

I don't have any issue with Dirk sitting some as I'd imagine he's back next season. I like rest. I think everyone should rest occasionally, even DSJ. And Barnes. Preventative maintenance.

But I can understand why fans would be bummed to tune in or have tickets to a game and find Dirk is sitting.

Scoobay · 02-12-2018, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Damn you and your reasonable opinion!

I think the tough call is benching Dirk since he is one of the few reasons Mavs fans come to games. DSJ is the primary reason you can do that since fans really like watching him.

I think if you're Rick and you're benching Dirk you do it for away games...
Home fans should get the chance to see him as much as possible.

Underdog · 02-12-2018, 05:37 PM

@MavsDraft: Ayton has recorded a block in each of his last 19 games, dating back to December 2 vs UNLV. In that span he's averaging 19.5 PPG 10.4 RPG and 2.1 BPG on 59/40/75 splits in 33 MPG

@MavsDraft: However, while his blocks are up, he's still missing help/weak side plays. He's quick, a great jumper, and has long arms. he should be able to at least impact these shots, or try to impact them: https://twitter.com/MavsDraft/status/963162734744473603

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-12-2018, 06:12 PM

A couple days ago we were talking about 2nd round sleepers we might like with that POR pick.

I stumbled across this video on Youtube & it's pretty interesting. Robert Franks, Jr SG/SF from Washington St. Late bloomer type. Pure shooter, who has increased his averages dramatically each of his 3 years w/ the Cougars. He has size, seems to rebound well, and sounds like a total gym rat. Depending on where he falls come June, I could see him being a guy the Mavs look at with either of their 2nd round picks. Wash St isn't likely to make the NIT even, so he could be the kind of player to be out-of-sight, out-of-mind, unless he has a big NBA combine.

Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=626JmEOZkvI

Bryan_Wilson · 02-12-2018, 06:25 PM

To be fair about Memphis and their games against PHX and ATL the mins are misleading. Against PHX they had a 21pt lead in the 4th and when it went down to 12 or 13 Gasol went back in. That's not something you do when you are intentionally tanking to the maximum potential. And against ATL they were down by almost 30 when they took him out.