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grndmstr_c · 04-09-2012, 04:15 PM

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That comment was a no brainer, I still don't get why I'm supposedly the dumb one

Hmm, playing dumb about being the dumb one. Interesting strategy.

Jproxursoxoff · 04-09-2012, 04:19 PM

Marion's more of a natural 3 though. Can't Wright get more minutes at the 4 since Rick won't give him more than either Wood and Ian at the 5?? And besides Wright's more of a 4 anyway.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-09-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jproxursoxoff

Marion's more of a natural 3 though. Can't Wright get more minutes at the 4 since Rick won't give him more than either Wood and Ian at the 5?? And besides Wright's more of a 4 anyway.

Wright got 36 minutes to Haywood's 12 last game. I really wouldn't be worried about his minutes at center.

nowhereman · 04-09-2012, 04:26 PM

For the remainder of the year, if we can squeeze him for as much value as we got out of Sasha Pavlovic, I'll be ecstatic.

Kante · 04-09-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Hmm, playing dumb about being the dumb one. Interesting strategy.

Still to less red boxes...

And: Yes, you are dumb!

EricaLubarsky · 04-09-2012, 04:38 PM

Marion's size is more 3, but his offensive game fits the 4 well and he was successful in Phoenix for short periods playing PF. His size is a liability occasionally but I'd feel more comfortable with him there than anyone not named Wright and Wright isnt going to get PF minutes.

4DN1 · 04-09-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Still to less red boxes...

And: Yes, you are dumb!

Nice. I like where your head is at on this one.

mavs777 · 04-09-2012, 04:58 PM

My original proposed lineup was under the assumption Carlisle wouldn't play Wright at the 4 like he said earlier this year but it seems from latest espn dallas article they are willing to play wright at the 4. Marion is much better at the 3 so I like this.

twistaeffect2004 · 04-09-2012, 05:07 PM

Has anyone seen Buike play? If so, how has he looked as far as quickness, and agility?

Budapest Maverick · 04-09-2012, 05:52 PM

He's far away from being in great shape, and unfortunately there is a good chance he'll never be even remotely as athletic as he was before that nasty injury. Also, supposedly they effed up his surgery.

"Ex-Knick Kelenna Azubuike, who was released after the trade deadline, will undergo a second knee surgery 16 months after his initial patella tendon operation. A Knicks source recently said the initial surgery went badly.
"They put his knee back together wrong," the source said.
Last night, Azubuike confirmed on Twitter, "The 1st surgery in 09 wasn't done right. Gettin it done right this time!"

Don't get your hopes up people, he had one of the worst kind of injury an athlete can suffer, chances are, his mobility will never come back to the level it was, and he will be a spot up shooter, if he can even come back.

EricaLubarsky · 04-09-2012, 08:35 PM

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Don't get your hopes up people, he had one of the worst kind of injury an athlete can suffer, chances are, his mobility will never come back to the level it was, and he will be a spot up shooter, if he can even come back.

I'd say that Caron Butler, Blake Griffin, Andrew Bynum, Joel Pryzbilla, Mike Miller, Kenyon Martin and Jason Kidd would make for a championship squad after their patellar injuries.

I have my hopes high.

So why crap on my dreams? I trust the Mavs braintrust more than I trust you. No offense.

jthig32 · 04-09-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I'd say that Caron Butler, Blake Griffin, Andrew Bynum, Joel Pryzbilla, Mike Miller, Kenyon Martin and Jason Kidd would make for a championship squad after their patellar injuries.

I have my hopes high.

So why crap on my dreams? I trust the Mavs braintrust more than I trust you. No offense.

I don't think the Mavs brain trust expects anything at all from him this season.

So....

grndmstr_c · 04-09-2012, 10:18 PM

I likewise doubt they're thinking that he will contribute. If they were planning to use him this year I don't think they would have waited as long as they did to have him start practicing with the team. The call-up probably just reflects the desire to have enough bodies for practice and to look at him a little more closely before summer and free agency arrive. Maybe add to that an expectation that Azubuike will actually be excited to be with the team.

jthig32 · 04-09-2012, 10:58 PM

The Legends season is over. I would assume that's the main reason he's been recalled.

grndmstr_c · 04-09-2012, 11:04 PM

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The Legends season is over. I would assume that's the main reason he's been recalled.

Oh. Or that.

EricaLubarsky · 04-09-2012, 11:05 PM

I still believe.

twistaeffect2004 · 04-10-2012, 12:11 AM

If he could be anything close to what Peja brought us last year, then that would be tremendous.

We need guys right now that can hit the long range jumper at a consistent clip.

Budapest Maverick · 04-10-2012, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I'd say that Caron Butler, Blake Griffin, Andrew Bynum, Joel Pryzbilla, Mike Miller, Kenyon Martin and Jason Kidd would make for a championship squad after their patellar injuries.

I have my hopes high.

So why crap on my dreams? I trust the Mavs braintrust more than I trust you. No offense.

None taken, and i hope you're right, but i don't think the severity of those injuries were the same. I would assume there is more than one kind of patellar injury. For example, Griffin had a hariline fracture in the bone, and Butler's injury was relatively mild as well, with a 4 months recovery. With Kelenna, i believe his whole tendon broke and got dislocated, and all the ligaments went with it. It was a complete disaster.

G-Man · 04-10-2012, 03:35 AM

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If he could be anything close to what Peja brought us last year, then that would be tremendous.

We need guys right now that can hit the long range jumper at a consistent clip.

I doubt if his mobility could be any worse than Peja, who played in pain for his entire American career. But I have to admit the old guy was smart and made a few key stops in the playoffs...no rings without him.

OneLove22 · 04-10-2012, 04:26 AM

So did Azu get called up?

Kante · 04-10-2012, 06:39 AM

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So did Azu get called up?

Yep.

EricaLubarsky · 04-10-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by twistaeffect2004

If he could be anything close to what Peja brought us last year, then that would be tremendous.

We need guys right now that can hit the long range jumper at a consistent clip.

True. Peja couldnt even run the length of the court for a fastbreak layup because he was so hurt but he contributed greatly to the championship

SMC0007 · 04-10-2012, 08:58 AM

Hello new starting SG.

dude1394 · 04-10-2012, 10:13 AM

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I doubt if his mobility could be any worse than Peja, who played in pain for his entire American career. But I have to admit the old guy was smart and made a few key stops in the playoffs...no rings without him.

I would be shocked if he could shoot anything like Peja could.

LonghornDub · 04-10-2012, 10:26 AM

Azu is a nice player, but can we not even mention his shooting in the same sentence as Peja's? Peja is one of the greatest long-range shooters in NBA history. His percentages stood the test of time and various circumstances.

j0Shi · 04-10-2012, 10:31 AM

Only question is whether Azu will be an upgrade over Carter. If not, he won't play in my eyes.

SMC0007 · 04-10-2012, 10:34 AM

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Only question is whether Azu will be an upgrade over Carter. If not, he won't play in my eyes.

Well why wouldn't the question be, is he an upgrade over Lame R?

j0Shi · 04-10-2012, 11:24 AM

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Well why wouldn't the question be, is he an upgrade over Lame R?

Consider him a point and that question is legit.

So no.

SMC0007 · 04-10-2012, 11:45 AM

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Consider him a point and that question is legit.

So no.

I don't understand your comment.

Kidd Karma · 04-10-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I'd say that Caron Butler, Blake Griffin, Andrew Bynum, Joel Pryzbilla, Mike Miller, Kenyon Martin and Jason Kidd would make for a championship squad after their patellar injuries.

I have my hopes high.

So why crap on my dreams? I trust the Mavs braintrust more than I trust you. No offense.

I don't think any on that list went under the knife twice for the same injury, it was done correctly the first time. I know that Kidd's injury was more that his ligaments were gone, he was bone on bone and microfracture was relatively new at the time, but he did not go through a catastrophic injury like KMart, Caron or Buike went through. Comparing injury to injury is awfully difficult, now you go to a case like Greg Oden, who's had multiple operations, I know at least one microfracture was in the mix. So for every Jason Kidd, there's a Greg Oden. Given Kelenna's deal, it's win win both sides. would be great to see him alongside DWill opening night starting in our backcourt.

EricaLubarsky · 04-10-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Azu is a nice player, but can we not even mention his shooting in the same sentence as Peja's? Peja is one of the greatest long-range shooters in NBA history. His percentages stood the test of time and various circumstances.

I dont know, in the first 5 seasons Azubuike averaged 36% and Peja averaged 38%. I dont think anyone would say that Kelenna is even in the same league but the numbers are similar and I don't think its too far off to say that Kelenna could be a sharpshooter for us.

Although Peja shot 1521 3pters in those 5 years. Kelenna shot 47. Thats the real issue and not what Peja did later in his career.

j0Shi · 04-10-2012, 02:03 PM

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I don't understand your comment.

Roddy plays the point this season, mainly within the Terrois backcourt. Why would Azubuike challenge Roddy's minutes within these lineups? Makes no sense. Terry has handled the ball, but almost exclusively when they create off the two-man game. I see Azubuike alongside Kidd or West at the shooting guard, which would cut into Terry's (unlikely)/Carter's minutes or at the three, also cutting into Carters minutes.

This isn't a natural battle because of position/size/skillset.

LonghornDub · 04-10-2012, 02:24 PM

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I dont know, in the first 5 seasons Azubuike averaged 36% and Peja averaged 38%. I dont think anyone would say that Kelenna is even in the same league but the numbers are similar and I don't think its too far off to say that Kelenna could be a sharpshooter for us.

Although Peja shot 1521 3pters in those 5 years. Kelenna shot 47. Thats the real issue and not what Peja did later in his career.

What Peja did later in his career is absolutely relevant when the question is whether Azu can give something like what Peja gave the Mavs.

But regardless, you're really just exemplifying my point. Peja shot 1521 threes. His percentages are much more meaningful, for that reason and others (longevity being one). He's one of the best shooters ever. Azu is a guy with some upside and a good stroke. That's about it.

If your point is that Azu could "develop" into a Peja because they had relatively similar percentages their first five years, that's a pretty huge stretch.

Budapest Maverick · 04-10-2012, 02:44 PM

Azubuike has 511 attempts so far in the NBA (in 4 seasons, not 5, actually, more like 3 seasons, he only played 9 games in the year he got injured), i don't know where you got that 47. He also made .409% of those attempts, that's pretty great. He had one truly elite 3-point shooting season, where he made 94 3's, out of 210 attempts, that was good for a 44,8%, which is simply remarkable. He is a very good shooter.

If he could have done his thing for more seasons, you could call him one of the best 3 point shooters in the NBA. That's the only elite skill he has. He's not Peja, but he can knock them down at a very good rate. If he's healthy, he could contribute, especially the way our backcourt rotation is shooting from deep. Terry is our best 3-point shooter with 37%, which is pretty sad.

SMC0007 · 04-10-2012, 03:56 PM

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Roddy plays the point this season, mainly within the Terrois backcourt. Why would Azubuike challenge Roddy's minutes within these lineups? Makes no sense. Terry has handled the ball, but almost exclusively when they create off the two-man game. I see Azubuike alongside Kidd or West at the shooting guard, which would cut into Terry's (unlikely)/Carter's minutes or at the three, also cutting into Carters minutes.

This isn't a natural battle because of position/size/skillset.

It's not really that much of a stretch for him to compete with Roddy and Carter. Other than the last game where he was getting after it, Carter has been pretty mediocre/old looking. Roddy is as inconsistent as any newcomer with talent so I think with Lamar gone you can look less into position battles and more at rotation adjustments to fit guys who bring will bring it and leave it all out on the court.

j0Shi · 04-10-2012, 04:32 PM

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It's not really that much of a stretch for him to compete with Roddy and Carter. Other than the last game where he was getting after it, Carter has been pretty mediocre/old looking. Roddy is as inconsistent as any newcomer with talent so I think with Lamar gone you can look less into position battles and more at rotation adjustments to fit guys who bring will bring it and leave it all out on the court.

I also think that with the departure Mavs switched into a no excuse policy and that Roddy is next in line to fall out of the rotation. But if, he'll lose all his minutes to Delonte. He already has picked up two DNP-CDs right before Kidd's injury i.e. Roddy has played 85% of his time at the 1 though and Azubuike won't take away that big chunk from him.

jthig32 · 04-10-2012, 04:55 PM

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I also think that with the departure Mavs switched into a no excuse policy and that Roddy is next in line to fall out of the rotation. But if, he'll lose all his minutes to Delonte. He already has picked up two DNP-CDs right before Kidd's injury i.e. Roddy has played 85% of his time at the 1 though and Azubuike won't take away that big chunk from him.

I think LO leaving is a big opportunity for Roddy. I assume that they're going to move Vince to SF and have Marion play more backup PF. This creates a domino effect that should result in more time for Roddy.