I'm curious..what do you Lakers fans think of this Mavs team? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Murphy3 · 05-07-2011, 03:56 PM

I'd love to have the input of our friendly visitors... What do you think of Dallas..Dirk?..Kidd?.. JET..chandler and so on.

jacktruth · 05-07-2011, 04:24 PM

I think they are speechless

Dirkadirkastan · 05-07-2011, 04:34 PM

I think they left.

walter · 05-07-2011, 04:58 PM

nvm

Variant · 05-07-2011, 05:20 PM

I'm not a Laker fan, but I do live in Southern California.

Your Average Joe Laker fan isn't really aware of other teams or knows much about their rosters -- only that the Lakers are God's team and Kobe Bryant always saves the day.

Right now everyone is very, very confused. They haven't quite figured out why it is they can't defend the pick and roll, how it is that Bynum isn't dunking on everyone at will, and why Kobe Bryant isn't able to be like MJ at will to close out games. Surely it can't be those guys in white/blue... it must be the zebras.

They may never figure it out either -- that's how delusional folks are down here in La-La land, but rest assured the rest of us can see it plainly. Dirk is a cold-blooded assassin this post-season. Finish 'em off boys.

-KingsFan

PS: Hated you guys earlier in the decade, but really pulling for Dirk and Peja and have always respected you guys as fans.

Thespiralgoeson · 05-07-2011, 05:30 PM

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-KingsFan

PS: Hated you guys earlier in the decade, but really pulling for Dirk and Peja and have always respected you guys as fans.

That respect is definitely mutual. I always hated the Kings with a passion, but man those Arco Arena fans were no joke.

Lacker_Despiser · 05-07-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Variant

I'm not a Laker fan, but I do live in Southern California.

Your Average Joe Laker fan isn't really aware of other teams or knows much about their rosters -- only that the Lakers are God's team and Kobe Bryant always saves the day.

Right now everyone is very, very confused. They haven't quite figured out why it is they can't defend the pick and roll, how it is that Bynum isn't dunking on everyone at will, and why Kobe Bryant isn't able to be like MJ at will to close out games. Surely it can't be those guys in white/blue... it must be the zebras.

They may never figure it out either -- that's how delusional folks are down here in La-La land, but rest assured the rest of us can see it plainly. Dirk is a cold-blooded assassin this post-season. Finish 'em off boys.

Pretty much this. I grew up a die-hard Jordan fan and have thus always despised the Lakers--even after Jordan's retirement. Most Laker fans you encounter here in Southern California are myopic Kobe worshipers who know nothing fundamentally regarding the sport, let alone the talent--or lack thereof--that other teams possess.

Nevertheless, though I am not a Mavs fan, I want to extend a genuine 'thank you' to your team's organization for pulverizing the Lakers. Hopefully now, those hideous Laker flags found on a myriad of cars' windows around here will be removed too.

DirkFTW · 05-07-2011, 06:47 PM

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That respect is definitely mutual. I always hated the Kings with a passion, but man those Arco Arena fans were no joke.

I am surprised no one else adopted the cowbell tactic. That was annoyingly effective. Like vuvuzelas.

Murphy3 · 05-07-2011, 07:09 PM

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Pretty much this. I grew up a die-hard Jordan fan and have thus always despised the Lakers--even after Jordan's retirement. Most Laker fans you encounter here in Southern California are myopic Kobe worshipers who know nothing fundamentally regarding the sport, let alone the talent--or lack thereof--that other teams possess.

Nevertheless, though I am not a Mavs fan, I want to extend a genuine 'thank you' to your team's organization for pulverizing the Lakers. Hopefully now, those hideous Laker flags found on a myriad of cars' windows around here will be removed too.

So you're saying that they're kinda what you'd expect out of LA? Perhaps the same as your typical Yankees fan that isn't from NY.

Lacker_Despiser · 05-07-2011, 07:48 PM

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So you're saying that they're kinda what you'd expect out of LA? Perhaps the same as your typical Yankees fan that isn't from NY.

Since I'm not familiar with Yankees fans in general, I cannot say. But I'd like to add that generalizing isn't a useful thing to do. FWIW, some Laker fans epitomize the knowledgeable basketball fan and can be found in small amounts over on the Lakersground forum. However, based on what I've seen and experienced here in Southern California the last 20 or so years growing up here, most of these Laker fans' understanding of the game are laughable at best.

And to answer your question directly as it was posed in the OP: I'd love to see Dirk hoist the O'brien trophy simply because of the verve he has on the court and because he's an all-around class act. Much respect to Dirk. I'm going to have to be honest though, if the Heat win it all, it will be just that much more joyous for me with respect to Laker fans being crushed that Lebron attained a ring, lol.

mac222b · 05-07-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lacker_Despiser

Since I'm not familiar with Yankees fans in general, I cannot say. But I'd like to add that generalizing isn't a useful thing to do. FWIW, some Laker fans epitomize the knowledgeable basketball fan and can be found in small amounts over on the Lakersground forum. However, based on what I've seen and experienced here in Southern California the last 20 or so years growing up here, most of these Laker fans' understanding of the game are laughable at best.

And to answer your question directly as it was posed in the OP: I'd love to see Dirk hoist the O'brien trophy simply because of the verve he has on the court and because he's an all-around class act. Much respect to Dirk. I'm going to have to be honest though, if the Heat win it all, it will be just that much more joyous for me with respect to Laker fans being crushed that Lebron attained a ring, lol.

not sure i understand your reasoning in the 2nd paragraph.

Lacker_Despiser · 05-07-2011, 08:23 PM

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not sure i understand your reasoning in the 2nd paragraph.

I don't have a favorite team or player; I just want the Lakers to lose. So whomever turns out to be the victor other than the Lakers is fine with me. Regarding Dirk, this series really opened my eyes as to how talented he his. I had always respected him as a basketball player before, but do even more so now.

I also know that almost every Laker fan is a staunch hater of Lebron. Hence being that much more sweet should he win it all this year. I understand espousing this feeling on a Mav's forum isn't going to go over too well with the people who peruse it, but I'm being as genuine and honest as possible.

Dirkleton · 05-07-2011, 09:31 PM

I had to be at work at 7 am on a beautiful Saturday morning.........so naturally as soon as I got there I immediately had to start researching laker fan reactions to a third straight loss. After game 1 they thought it was a fluke like new orleans. After game 2, they were concerned but still overly pompous and egotistical. Now after game 3, the majority of them have turned their backs. Most of them place the blame squarely on either gasol or jacksons shoulders, however, not one post in one thread ever gives the mavs any credit for beating them. They would rather point fingers and blame the Lakers rather than credit the mavs........and they haate Dirk.

Bynum4MVP · 05-07-2011, 09:34 PM

Mavs have played great; I'm not going to take anything away from them complaining about refs or anything like that.

At the same time, I think they've played an improbable game. It's against all odds that they are 3-0 against the Lakers.

I think the Mavs would have been in a better position losing game 2 or game 3.

Statistically speaking, the trend has to reverse.

If history is to be made, this is the team to do it against.

A desperate Lakers team will win Game 4 to avoid the sweep, Game 5 in LA comes at a perfect time.

Game 6 worries me but if they can get past Game 6, Game 7 will be theirs.

I'm with Kobe, the Lakers will win this series.

ThreevensonsBeard · 05-07-2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bynum4MVP

Mavs have played great; I'm not going to take anything away from them complaining about refs or anything like that.

At the same time, I think they've played an improbable game. It's against all odds that they are 3-0 against the Lakers.

I think the Mavs would have been in a better position losing game 2 or game 3.

Statistically speaking, the trend has to reverse.

If history is to be made, this is the team to do it against.

A desperate Lakers team will win Game 4 to avoid the sweep, Game 5 in LA comes at a perfect time.

Game 6 worries me but if they can get past Game 6, Game 7 will be theirs.

I'm with Kobe, the Lakers will win this series.

Yes. Your logic is infallible. The mavs would be in a much better position if they were up 2-1 instead of 3-0. Genius.

Bynum4MVP · 05-07-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I'd love to have the input of our friendly visitors... What do you think of Dallas..Dirk?..Kidd?.. JET..chandler and so on.

Dirk has been unstoppable and a sissied out Pau has not made Dirk play any defense...that's been killer right there.

Kidd and Jet are good for the Lakers. They have both been liabilities on defense despite their offense.

Chandler has had a monster series; probably 2nd to Dirk. TC can't stop Bynum but he's kept the Lakers defense honest for fear of the lob.

Timely hero minutes by JJB saved game 2 and Peja saved game 3.

Bynum4MVP · 05-07-2011, 09:48 PM

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Genius.

Why thank you.

It's similar to 2006, Mavs also jumped out to an improbable 2-0 but lost the next 4 straight.

Don't worry, after Lakers wins in 4 & 5, I'll come back and tell you "I told you so"

Brave Sir Robin · 05-07-2011, 10:00 PM

I'm a Sixers fan, but i love Dirk Nowitzki and don't understand his portrayal in the national media. Hopefully the Mavs can get their revenge against the Heat's 3 stooges this year. But it will be a tough road to the title.

Dirk: Awesome clutch floor general. Can score against anyone. Maybe Garnett can "stop" him. German engineering.
Kidd: Experienced and intelligent player. Due to age needs a lot of rest. If he gets it, there is almost no difference to Kidd of 10 years ago. If not, he will take the Mavs to turnover city.
Terry: Bit of a wild card, like Peja. Am more impressed with Chandler/Haywood.

The series against the Lakers is pretty much over. Congratulations!

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At the same time, I think they've played an improbable game. It's against all odds that they are 3-0 against the Lakers.

I think the Mavs would have been in a better position losing game 2 or game 3.

Statistically speaking, the trend has to reverse.

Your post represents the average arrogant Lakers fan pretty well. And i love your take on statistics, maybe you should check this link out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

You are in denial. On Sunday you will have to move on to the second stage of grief: Pain and Guilt.

ajk822 · 05-07-2011, 10:00 PM

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Why thank you.

It's similar to 2006, Mavs also jumped out to an improbable 2-0 but lost the next 4 straight.

Don't worry, after Lakers wins in 4 & 5, I'll come back and tell you "I told you so"

Don't worry, you'll be on here in 17 hours telling us "I was wrong".

And Laker fans wonder why no one likes them...

LonghornDub · 05-07-2011, 10:00 PM

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I think the Mavs would have been in a better position losing game 2 or game 3.

Statistically speaking, the trend has to reverse.

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Originally Posted by Bynum4MVP

It's similar to 2006, Mavs also jumped out to an improbable 2-0 but lost the next 4 straight.

Bynum4MVP · 05-07-2011, 10:03 PM

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Your post represents the average arrogant Lakers fan pretty well. And i love your take on statistics, maybe you should check this link out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

And your post represents the average ignorant fan very well.

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You are in denial. On Sunday you will have to move on to the second stage of grief: Pain and Guilt.

Make sure you come back after Sunday's game

Bynum4MVP · 05-07-2011, 10:04 PM

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Don't worry, you'll be on here in 17 hours telling us "I was wrong".

Hey, if the Mavs win, I will congratulate and move on.

Not cry about the refs.

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And Laker fans wonder why no one likes them...

What have I done? You want me to concede defeat before the series is over? Lol.

I haven't done jack but you have some pre-conceived animosity which is your own personal issue, not mines.

Murphy3 · 05-07-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brave Sir Robin

I'm a Sixers fan, but i love Dirk Nowitzki and don't understand his portrayal in the national media. Hopefully the Mavs can get their revenge against the Heat's 3 stooges this year. But it will be a tough road to the title.

The series against the Lakers is pretty much over. Congratulations!

Your post represents the average arrogant Lakers fan pretty well. And i love your take on statistics, maybe you should check this link out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

You are in denial. On Sunday you will have to move on to the second stage of grief: Pain and Guilt.

After watching ESPN today and listening to some national talk shows, I'm having a difficult time finding out who the Lakers are playing in the playoffs. I know the Lakers are down 3-0, but that's all I've been able to find out. Instead of talking about the Mavs, ESPN is already talking about what the Lakers need to do in the off season.

Bynum4MVP · 05-07-2011, 10:10 PM

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I wouldn't be surprised if this same gif was used in 2006 after the commanding 2-0 lead.

Brave Sir Robin · 05-07-2011, 10:13 PM

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And your post represents the average ignorant fan very well.

How so? Because i educated you?
Dirk will educate LA on sunday further, it will be a lesson in house cleaning.

LonghornDub · 05-07-2011, 10:14 PM

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I wouldn't be surprised if this same gif was used in 2006 after the commanding 2-0 lead.

I wouldn't be surprised if you had an extra chromosome.

Bynum4MVP · 05-07-2011, 10:15 PM

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How so? Because i educated you?
Dirk will educate LA on sunday further, it will be a lesson in house cleaning.

Lol, more ignorance.

mavs777 · 05-07-2011, 10:16 PM

Lakers just aren't as good as the Mavs and it is showing. series will be over in 4

Bynum4MVP · 05-07-2011, 10:16 PM

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I wouldn't be surprised if you had an extra chromosome.

And I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't have a pair.

Dirkadirkastan · 05-07-2011, 10:17 PM

A Mavs win obviously increases the chances of the Lakers winning the next game. I have very concrete evidence for this.

Bynum4MVP · 05-07-2011, 10:20 PM

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A Mavs win obviously increases the chances of the Lakers winning the next game. I have very concrete evidence for this.

It actually does.

If the Lakers were up 3-0, I'd say the Mavs will win Game 4.

It would be highly improbable for either the Lakers or Mavs to sweep the other.

Do you fellas believe the Mavs will sweep the Lakers?

mac222b · 05-07-2011, 10:21 PM

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Dirk has been unstoppable and a sissied out Pau has not made Dirk play any defense...that's been killer right there.

Kidd and Jet are good for the Lakers. They have both been liabilities on defense despite their offense.

Chandler has had a monster series; probably 2nd to Dirk. TC can't stop Bynum but he's kept the Lakers defense honest for fear of the lob.

Timely hero minutes by JJB saved game 2 and Peja saved game 3.

Don't take this the wrong way, because you've been posting pretty good stuff for the most part and have been comporting yourself with class around here, but this is just wrong. TC has NOT had a monster series. He's been pretty average. His defense on Bynum has improved as the series has progressed, yes. Jet has had the best series next to Dirk. Kidd and Jet have both been GOOD on defense, while Kidd has been committing unforced turnovers and missed wide-open 3's offensively. Dirk is playing damn good defense on Pau and is an underrated defender at this point.

JJB&Peja's "hero minutes" were all made possible by the attention Dirk draws. JJB was making layups and Peja was hitting wide-open 3's. It's what they're both best at. Not some miracle fluke.

And as you must know, from watching the Lakers recent playoff runs, you need role players to step up if you wanna advance. Ariza, Fischer against Orlando? Artest hitting crazy ass shots last season? Really, if you're going to post here don't make excuses and bring your "A" game. Seems you too are suffering from "Laker's Entitlement Syndrome". Must be something to do with the smoggy air out there.

Ninkobei · 05-07-2011, 10:21 PM

this thread being created seems like a bad idea.. flame baiting trolls. no point tempting the gods of fate, either.

mavs777 · 05-07-2011, 10:21 PM

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Mavs have played great; I'm not going to take anything away from them complaining about refs or anything like that.
you basically just did
At the same time, I think they've played an improbable game. It's against all odds that they are 3-0 against the Lakers.
I think the Mavs would have been in a better position losing game 2 or game 3.
your right, im sure Heat would be in a better position too down 2-1 rather than up 2-1
Statistically speaking, the trend has to reverse.
No it doesn't, every game is an individual
If history is to be made, this is the team to do it against.
Against the best team in the west? a team clearly better than the lakers (their oppenent), no?
A desperate Lakers team will win Game 4 to avoid the sweep
No they won't, the Lakers were just as desperate in game 2 and 3 and we saw the results
Game 6 worries me.
There won't be a game 5 to worry about fo you
I'm with Kobe, the Lakers will win this series.
nope and we won't hear from you for a while after tomorrow

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Brave Sir Robin · 05-07-2011, 10:22 PM

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After watching ESPN today and listening to some national talk shows, I'm having a difficult time finding out who the Lakers are playing in the playoffs. I know the Lakers are down 3-0, but that's all I've been able to find out. Instead of talking about the Mavs, ESPN is already talking about what the Lakers need to do in the off season.

That's what i meant. ESPN is the worst when it comes to the mavs, did cuban order a hit on some journalists in the last years? Inside the NBA was always quite fair, although Kenny Smith's manlove for Kobe gets in the way of journalistic integrity (yeah i know, chuck, kenny and chris are just retired ballers

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It actually does.
If the Lakers were up 3-0, I'd say the Mavs will win Game 4.
It would be highly improbable for either the Lakers or Mavs to sweep the other.
Do you fellas believe the Mavs will sweep the Lakers?

now i am really butthurt that you did not read the link. could save you a lot of money on your next trip to a casino.

Bynum4MVP · 05-07-2011, 10:22 PM

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this thread being created seems like a bad idea.. flame baiting trolls. no point tempting the gods of fate, either.

There's room for good debate I think.

I only respond to ignorant comments with the same. If you talk to me about basketball, I'll respond with the same.

mavs777 · 05-07-2011, 10:23 PM

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It actually does.
based on what?

If the Lakers were up 3-0, I'd say the Mavs will win Game 4.
maybe if Dallas was at home
It would be highly improbable for either the Lakers or Mavs to sweep the other.
not anymore, the Mavs only need to win the next individual games
Do you fellas believe the Mavs will sweep the Lakers?
0 reason to think otherwise

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nowhereman · 05-07-2011, 10:26 PM

Imagine if someone started this thread midway through game 3 of the nba finals.

LonghornDub · 05-07-2011, 10:27 PM

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Don't take this the wrong way, because you've been posting pretty good stuff for the most part and have been comporting yourself with class around here

Yeah, his passive-aggressive trash talk and utterly nonsensical analysis has been a real boon to this board.

Seriously though, Laker fan, I was hoping we could continue to discuss the important issues you've raised. This forum could benefit greatly from further discussion of the logically sound, analogically accurate points you have raised throughout this thread. E.g., "Statistically speaking, the trend has to reverse." Poignant. Insightful.

I hope you'll indulge us with some more thought-provoking material.

Bynum4MVP · 05-07-2011, 10:28 PM

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Don't take this the wrong way, because you've been posting pretty good stuff for the most part and have been comporting yourself with class around here, but this is just wrong. TC has NOT had a monster series. He's been pretty average. His defense on Bynum has improved as the series has progressed, yes. Jet has had the best series next to Dirk. Kidd and Jet have both been GOOD on defense, while Kidd has been committing unforced turnovers and missed wide-open 3's. Dirk is playing damn good defense on Pau and is an underrated defender at this point.

By monster, I meant that TC has been holding his own. He's not had success in stopping Bynum but he's been able to stay on the court and stop the other Lakers.

If it was Haywood instead of TC, I think it would be the Lakers up 3-0 or 2-1.

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JJB&Peja's "hero minutes" were all made possible by the attention Dirk draws. JJB was making layups and Peja was hitting wide-open 3's. It's what they're both best at. Not some miracle fluke.

I agree, no flukes or miracles...it's the timeliness that made them hero's.

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And as you must know, from watching the Lakers recent playoff runs, you need role players to step up if you wanna advance. Ariza, Fischer against Orlando? Artest hitting crazy ass shots last season? Really, if you're going to post here don't make excuses and bring your "A" game. Seems you too are suffering from "Laker's Entitlement Syndrome". Must be something to do with the smoggy air out there.

I think you misconstrued me as saying the wins were flukes. They weren't flukes, the Mavs played great and won their games.

I'm not sure which part is the "Entitlement syndrome".

Is it "entitled" to think the Lakers won't get swept?

Do you also believe the Mavs will sweep the Lakers?