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Fah Q · 12-05-2003, 02:45 AM

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I'm not defending Fin because I think he hasn't played very well this year but, I could tell Fin actually still cared about the game. I don't remember how many points he scored in the second half but it seemed like thats when he came alive, and also if he didn't care about tonights game why did he get this steal from george in the last minute? He played to the very end.

Too little too late. It is like the Blazers starting to play when the series was over. And even then it was half-hearted. MAybe he is just a huge choker... but if so... can we win a championship with him as the leader fo this team? I don't think so. That is just my opinion though obviously. It isn't like I am MArk Cuban though. IMO though Cuban and Nellie are at the breaking point with Fin. And if Fin didn't think so he wouldn't believe those trade rumors.

If they wanted to trade Fin he would've been traded by now. He has been one of their brighter sides on defense this year. Did you not say that Fin looked like he didn't care to play tonight? But then you turn around and say it is a little too late? Lol. Fin's a huge chocker not counting all of the playoffs games he has played well and the game winners he has hit. BTW, do you have any stats to support him being a HUGE chocker.

Then why was Fin so worried he had been traded? Why didn't he know the rumors were just that? Yes... too little too late emans he didn't care. That is exactly what I am saying.

Do you have any stats to support that he isn't? I can only speak of my experiences watching him. IMO fin has struggled tremendously in big games. Sure... Fin has had his moments... but so would qanyone if they are given enough chances... that doesn't mean that Fin is going to win us a championship. I think Jho has a better chance going from tonights performance.

Come on, JHO taking us further than Fin? You've got to be kidding.

MavsFanFinley · 12-05-2003, 03:02 AM

ReDirk, you keep mentioning the playoffs and how Fin didn't stack up. How so?

Blazers: 34min, 40%fg, 38%(3pt), 92%ft, 14pts, 5rbs, 2as, 1to

Kings: 44min, 41%fg, 43%(3pt), 64%ft, 19pts, 6rbs, 4as, 1.7to's, 1.5stls

Spurs: 39min, 50%fg, 39% (3pt), 100%ft, 23pts, 6rbs, 3as, 1.8stls, 1.8to's

ReDIRKulous · 12-05-2003, 03:23 AM

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ReDirk, you keep mentioning the playoffs and how Fin didn't stack up. How so?

You think not showing up until the Spurs series is acceptable? For the leader of this team... I don't. I was ashamed of Fin tonight. Why weren't you?

MavsFanFinley · 12-05-2003, 03:37 AM

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You think not showing up until the Spurs series is acceptable? For the leader of this team... I don't. I was ashamed of Fin tonight. Why weren't you?

The only argument you have about Fin and the playoffs is the Blazers series. And I think most believe that was due to Fin's slow return after injury.

I'm not ashamed of Fin tonight. I'm disappointed and there is a big difference. He didn't shoot the ball well, but outside of Nash and Walker, who did? Outside of Howard, Walker, and Jamison no one rebounded the ball either. Outside of Nash and Howard, no one distributed the ball either.

I believe there were many reasons the Mavs lost tonight and I choose not to point my finger at one person. Did Fin need to step up and knock some shots down? Absolutely. Did he need to get his hands on more boards? Absolutely. Did he have some brain farts out there? Absolutely. Who didn't look confused out there at times? What I am saying is that it wasn't from lack of effort or from not caring enough about big games.

Rhylan · 12-05-2003, 03:48 AM

I just gotta say, despite my various levels of infuriation throughout tonight's wonderful AAC excursion --

1) Josh Howard is REALLY exciting me. What a great kid to have coming up.

2) Antawn Jamison is starting to lose me. He's a good guy, he plays hard, and has lots to offer.. but if he doesn't step up and start to become a difference maker, I am going to be leading the bandwagon for using him to take advantage of Portland's inevitable firesale. Other than Saturday's Minnesota comeback, he has yet to show a whole lot of anything against a good team. His statistics are both above-average and consistent, but then again, so were Juwan Howard's.

edit - i'm huked on foniks.

EricaLubarsky · 12-05-2003, 03:49 AM

give it up reDIRK. Give it up.

ReDIRKulous · 12-05-2003, 03:55 AM

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What I am saying is that it wasn't from lack of effort or from not caring enough about big games.

Does it matter what it was from?

I havn't put together a masters thesis showing Fin's stats to support my opinion that Fin has struggled in big games. I can only speak from what I have seen. You don't have to believe me, obviously. I am just giving my opinion. To me it seems like Nellie keeps feeding Fin hoping he will come back or he will fight his way though his struggles and Nellie is getting frustrated. How else do you explain Fin thinking he was traded when those rumors surfaced? Fin knows he is struggling too.

If fin really cared or took responsibilty for his game tongiht how could he possibly play so badly? Barkley even said that Fin wasn't giving the Mavs anything... but people keep saying I am just talking about one game... FIN STUNK SO BAD tonight why would I need another game? It wasn't like all he did was miss every shot he took... he did everything horribly in the first half. And it didn't even seem to bother him. He was so nonchalant about it. He didn't even get upset at how bad anyone else was playing... but how could he when he was playing so horribly?

I believee Fin was the reason we lost lost tonight. If he would have even played a semi-respectable game the Mavs would ahve had a chance to win tonight.

ReDIRKulous · 12-05-2003, 03:57 AM

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give it up reDIRK. Give it up.

Give what up?

MightyToine · 12-05-2003, 09:19 AM

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I'm very disappointed in how WALKER was used tonight.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]

I count two....TWO...times that he posted up and made something happen!! And that's it....No more postups...

I kind of figured that when Shaq went to the bench, they would go down low to him..... GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

Quietest 24 points and 12 boards you will ever see....

Not quieter than Kobe's 32 points. At one time I thought we were contaning him and he ends up with 32 out of the blue.

Filthy, this game must've really been Intriguing to watch if we never noticed how many points each player scored...

Had no clue Walker shot 50 percent from the field. It makes you wonder were those 9 misses 3's. He should've been in that paint all game long. We may have still lost but atleast it was from going into teh paint.

True. I bet Walker could've shot 60% tonight if he POSTED UP MORE instead of Playing PG.. *sigh*...

Nellie really needs to end this Point-Forward lovefest and FOCUS ON WINNING BASKETBALL GAMES!

Walker *IS* a very useful and unique player to have on this team but we need to WIN Games.

And filthy, after a brutal home loss to the Lakers, Isn't it nice to know that we will have the Medicine in the form of the Orlando Magic coming here to CURE US?? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Just what the doctor ordered, if you ask me....

MightyToine · 12-05-2003, 09:21 AM

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Since you didn't respond to my first reply then I'll say it again.

I saw plenty of his whiney look and plenty of F bombs fly off his lips. It's not that Fin doesn't care, it's just that his skills IMO are declining.

I didn't see him act differently than he does in any other game the MAvs have played in. And he played the game like he was sleep walking. I saw a roubound bounce right to him almost into his hands and he didn't even get it. Slava Medvedenko got it. It was a joke.

How many layups did Jamison and Daniels miss tonight? How many times did we get in transition and Walker give the ball up? I mean come on. You are solely blaiming Fin for this loss and its sickening. I can't wait till this guy is traded. I wonder who do we blame for losses once Fin is gone?

Replace Fin with Walker in that statement and you have the very same situation *I* was in as a fan of Walker when I was "rooting" for the Celtics.... Same shit. People talk crap about him and ignore the putrid performances of the others....

Nothing new here. [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

madape · 12-05-2003, 10:14 AM

Fortson and Najera went out there and RIPPED IT UP! I'm so glad Fortson is on this team. He's a SHAQ STOPPER. Unbeleivable game from him last night. If he wasn't suspended, I think we'd be on a 5 game winning streak right now.

And Najera. Boy, that dude can play. He was out there grabbing every board and scoring at will. I used to think he was an undersized, unathletic spare with no skill. But after tonight, I repent. I can totally understand why Nelson plays him every night.

raefformvp · 12-05-2003, 11:28 AM

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Barkley did NOT predict a Mavs victory, guys(and gals.... )

Actually, if you were watching TNT from the very beginning of the pregame (right at 6:00) Barkley said that he predicted a Mavs victory. They were about to go to break and there was no analysis of the game at that time, just who each commentator expected to win.

MightyToine · 12-05-2003, 12:53 PM

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Barkley did NOT predict a Mavs victory, guys(and gals.... )

Actually, if you were watching TNT from the very beginning of the pregame (right at 6:00) Barkley said that he predicted a Mavs victory. They were about to go to break and there was no analysis of the game at that time, just who each commentator expected to win.

Ever thought about Changing your Name? Good god! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

tekrider · 12-05-2003, 03:48 PM

might as well give the lakers the title this year, it ain't even gonna be close.

bogey · 12-05-2003, 04:28 PM

MightyToine- why change? It's as good a name as yours.

tekrider- let's play all the games before crowning anyone. The Nuggets could win it all for all you know which is obviously very little.

ReDIRKulous · 12-05-2003, 04:47 PM

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might as well give the lakers the title this year, it ain't even gonna be close.

Luckily for you the NBA is a business. IF they win it all this year that is why they will win.

Bookit · 12-05-2003, 04:50 PM

And Najera. Boy, that dude can play. He was out there grabbing every board and scoring at will. I used to think he was an undersized, unathletic spare with no skill. But after tonight, I repent. I can totally understand why Nelson plays him every night.

Time and time again I read you ripping Najera. Yes, his skills have diminished significantly with his knee injury and he will never be the player he was, but why come down on Najera? He is a spare part. Try ripping the stars who didn't step up. Finley, Jamison, and AW all stunk it up when it mattered. Finley is the worst shooter ever against LA. I simply can't stand it anymore. Jamison? Make some layups early in the game when it matters. These are the guys you should be ripping, not Najera. He did exactly what he was supposed to do. Guard a guy twice his size.

sike · 12-05-2003, 06:40 PM

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Fortson and Najera went out there and RIPPED IT UP! I'm so glad Fortson is on this team. He's a SHAQ STOPPER. Unbeleivable game from him last night. If he wasn't suspended, I think we'd be on a 5 game winning streak right now.

And Najera. Boy, that dude can play. He was out there grabbing every board and scoring at will. I used to think he was an undersized, unathletic spare with no skill. But after tonight, I repent. I can totally understand why Nelson plays him every night.

feeling the same pain.....TRADE JAMISON FOR AN ADEQUATE BIG MAN!.....this is not out of anger, just reality...Jamison is a good to great player....but we need to get bigger and tougher(not an original thought I know) and Jamison could get something at the deadline....and probably something decent!

MightyToine · 12-05-2003, 07:51 PM

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And Najera. Boy, that dude can play. He was out there grabbing every board and scoring at will. I used to think he was an undersized, unathletic spare with no skill. But after tonight, I repent. I can totally understand why Nelson plays him every night.

Time and time again I read you ripping Najera. Yes, his skills have diminished significantly with his knee injury and he will never be the player he was, but why come down on Najera? He is a spare part. Try ripping the stars who didn't step up. Finley, Jamison, and AW all stunk it up when it mattered. Finley is the worst shooter ever against LA. I simply can't stand it anymore. Jamison? Make some layups early in the game when it matters. These are the guys you should be ripping, not Najera. He did exactly what he was supposed to do. Guard a guy twice his size.

Umm...I think the Game Mattered when the score was 0-0, Bookit. [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

When did the Game matter though? Before or after the Lakers took a 2-0 lead and never looked back??

EXACTLY. Quit Whining. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]

dude1394 · 12-05-2003, 08:51 PM

A couple of comments about the game last night.

- Surprised nelson took fortson out, however he was stinking it up letting anyone do a layup drill. He looked pretty tentative.

- Geezz finley really sucked the life out of the team with his 0-5 start with good looks.

- As usualy horrible refereeing.

- Nash is a stud.

- I thought that after the initial explosion the mavs competed for most of the rest of the game, especially with nash in the game. But jamison,finley to be max'd out players didn't bring much game and the team needed it.

- Neither this team nor any other team in the nba can beat the lakers unless they are playing at a really high level. The mavs are not at that level right now. Dirk would have helped a ton, but they are not in sync.

- The worst thing about a loss like this is to have to hear all of the knee-jerk fans whine and cry about the team. If the mavs had won all four lakers game we would have heard that the regular season doesn't matter, I've heard it a thousand times. But after you get beat all of a sudden the regular season is the only thing that matters.

Fire the coach, fire the players, fire the owner, get new guys who won't do even a little bit better than last night. Again yuck.

SeriousSummer · 12-06-2003, 11:39 AM

Kobe v. Fin

Kobe was 9-23;
Fin was 8-24

Not much difference there.

The big difference was that Kobe shot 12 free throws, Michael only 3.

In the beginning of the game Fin took the ball to the hole--and he got fouled, but the refs wouldn't call it. Of his 0-5 start, he should have had free throws on at least 3 attempts.

Fin did the right thing, but you can't get the calls against the Lakers. It's not just the 5 or 6 points lost (although this game was close enough for that to matter-especially when you factor in the other calls and no-calls); the whole complexion of the game changes.

If Finley scores, then the Lakers have to respect the drive & give him more room on the outside. Better jump shots and more will go down.

When you add the ridiculous way Shaq is allowed to bully players and gets awarded touch fouls on offense, and the failure to toss Malone, among other decisions--the Mavs never had a fair chance to beat the Lakers.

The Lakers probably are the best team in the league. The refs give them at least a 10 point advantage every game though. That means the Lakers are going to win any game where the other team doesn't dominate them.