Why Do Mavs Whine On Every Call? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

tekrider · 12-05-2003, 04:12 PM

why? can someone tell me why?

in the game last night, refs were making easy calls. yet the crowd boos on everything, are they that stupid about the game? the players have that baffled and whiney look in their faces. and the coaches purposely get thrown out just to motivate the team. just too funny.

EricaLubarsky · 12-05-2003, 04:15 PM

uh oh. The troll learned how to create threads.

Did you actually watch the game? There were so many bad calls that the fans started booing all calls.

Bookit · 12-05-2003, 04:16 PM

I can appreciate your confrontational attitude after a big win. Great, the Lakers won and you are feeling good about yourself. Now go away.

tekrider · 12-05-2003, 04:17 PM

it's a valid question.

just loooking for a legit response other than immature name-calling posts.

Bookit · 12-05-2003, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by: tekrider
it's a valid question.

just loooking for a legit response other than immature name-calling posts.

Ask it on your Laker board.

tekrider · 12-05-2003, 04:18 PM

are all u guys little teenagers? judging by all the name calling and hostile threats, i can see why you are all mavs fans. maybe you should clean that "i love cuban" underwear.

LRB · 12-05-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by: tekrider
why? can someone tell me why?

in the game last night, refs were making easy calls. yet the crowd boos on everything, are they that stupid about the game? the players have that baffled and whiney look in their faces. and the coaches purposely get thrown out just to motivate the team. just too funny.

QUIT TRYING JUST TO INCITE. YOU HAVE 3 CHOICES. CLEAN UP YOUR ACT. LEAVE BY CHOICE. OR BE BANNED. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

tekrider · 12-05-2003, 04:19 PM

laker boards get tons of mavs or other nba fans. they can speak their mind without having to deal with the immature posts.

tekrider · 12-05-2003, 04:20 PM

still looking for a honest response to this post... or are u mavs fans incapable?

bogey · 12-05-2003, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by: tekrider
laker boards get tons of mavs or other nba fans. they can speak their mind without having to deal with the immature posts.

laughable that she thinks she is mature.

LRB · 12-05-2003, 04:22 PM

News flash, this isn't a Lakers Board. And I can and will ban you if you don't start contributing instead of just insiting. You can speak you mind on opinions, but if you're doing it just to make other mad instead of trying to have sports discussions then you will be gone. Are we clear?

WayOutWest · 12-05-2003, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by: tekrider
still looking for a honest response to this post... or are u mavs fans incapable?

If you truely want an honest and intelligent answer on the subject of whinning on every call maybe you should ask Kobe Bryant.

The Kings would also be a terrific source as would George Karl.

philb7777 · 12-05-2003, 04:57 PM

It does seem like the Mavs contest quite a few calls, especially this year. However last night's game had more than a few bad calls made, all seemingly against the Mavs. I agree, when playing take the calls like a man and move on and keep playing hard. Let your head coach 'discuss' things with the ref. Would correcting the calls last night change the outcome of the game? No. But even Laker fans must admit that last night their team got treated like a 'home' team and Dallas was the 'road' team.

WayOutWest · 12-05-2003, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by: philb7777
It does seem like the Mavs contest quite a few calls, especially this year. However last night's game had more than a few bad calls made, all seemingly against the Mavs. I agree, when playing take the calls like a man and move on and keep playing hard. Let your head coach 'discuss' things with the ref. Would correcting the calls last night change the outcome of the game? No. But even Laker fans must admit that last night their team got treated like a 'home' team and Dallas was the 'road' team.

Nope, not at all. I pay particular attention to the calls because I always end up having this converstation with a friend of mine. There were only a few bad calls in the game and it was pretty even. The call that Finely didn't get was bad and it seemed to put Finely out of the game and then there was the bad call on Bradley for a clean block on Shaq. Kobe and Payton got hit on the arms a few times with no calls and Devean was at the wrong end of some bad calls as usual. I don't think Shaq got away with very much rough stuff and at least 4 calls didn't get made that should have and would have if the player getting fouled wasn't Shaq.

Playing through bad calls is part of becoming a champion. The non-superstar Lakers of the 90's had to learn that and managed some playoff success over superior teams because they just played. While they didn't get a title they grew alot as players because they didn't get the calls from the refs because they weren't superstars but they learned to deal with it. Same goes for Philly, they just deal with it.

ReDIRKulous · 12-05-2003, 05:24 PM

Poor, Poor Pitiful Lakers
Whiny LA More Hateable Than Ever
Mike Fisher -- DallasBasketball.com - Posted: 12/5/03
Back to Directory...

By Mike Fisher -- DallasBasketball.com
Poor, poor pitiful Lakers. Poor, poor pitiful Lakers.
You want to know something more offensive than overdogs who brag? It’s overdogs who whine.
This may be the most star-studded unit in basketball history. As proof, we offer the way their security is handled on the road: The NBA generally assigns visitors to Dallas one local cop to handle security. On occasion, a Tracy McGrady or a Scottie Pippen will require one additional cop.
The Lakers? They get three additional Dallas cops – plus five of their own traveling LA cops!
So it’s a special group. Yet because of the way this group whines and dramatizes and showboats, it is also an especially hateable group.
Two days in a row, Karl Malone has taken digs at Mark Cuban and the Mavs’ free-agent bid for him this summer. In San Antonio earlier this week, Shaquille O’Neal offered a take on Tim Duncan receiving a one-game suspension for bumping a ref: ‘If I would have did that, I would have gotten 10 games, you know that. It's us against the golden boys."
Is that right? Geez, Karl Malone through a purposeful elbow into the face of Steve Nash in Thursday's manhandling of the Lakers, and not only didn't he get 10 games suspension, the refs barely noticed he'd done it! Gosh, it must be tough being a Laker. First you get lied to. Then you are a second-class citizen compared to the ‘golden boys.’
We have no idea what either of these demented fellows is talking about. Dallas’ attempt to lure Malone via free agency was sincere, and if anything, the Mavs were too honest. They let Malone know that Alonzo Mourning was their primary target, and that they’d also like to have Malone. Heck, we wish they would’ve fibbed to Karl and let him think he was No. 1 all along, because then, when Mourning wussed out, nobody would’ve been the wiser and Malone would’ve been a Mav.
And since when are the Lakers anything but the NBA’s golden boys? From boy toy Wilt to logo-boy West to Kareem to Magic to Shaq to Kobe, the Lakers have long been the league’s sexiest and most glamorous club. Vanessa Williams marries them, Paula Abdul dances for them, Jack Nicholson lobbies officials for them. The Lakers do television, they rap, they make movies, they even get to dominate Court TV.
Mark Cuban’s Mavs have done a brilliant job making American Airlines Center a place to see and be seen. But life in LA is different, and it saddens the soul to hear that Karl and Shaq are having such a tough time of it there. The other night at a Lakers game, Jessica Alba sat courtside. A couple seats down sat Tobey Maguire. Maguire is ‘Spider-Man.’ Jessica is ‘Dark Angel’ and ‘Honey.’ If Tobey and Jessica showed up at a Mavs game, Laura Miller would give them keys to the city. If they showed up in San Antonio, either of them could be elected mayor.
But in LA? Where opponents are dishonest and unfairly favored? Alba is nobody, Maguire is only almost somebody and the world revolves around the inequitable treatment provided to Lakers players who deserve better.
The Mavs are liars?
The Spurs are pets?
Poor, poor pitiful Lakers.
Poor, poor pitiful Lakers.

philb7777 · 12-05-2003, 05:30 PM

Free throw attemps: Lakers 40 Mavs 24. One could argue that 'hack a shaq' had something to do with those numbers, but the Lakers still went to the line like the home team last night.

WayOutWest · 12-05-2003, 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by: philb7777
Free throw attemps: Lakers 40 Mavs 24. One could argue that 'hack a shaq' had something to do with those numbers, but the Lakers still went to the line like the home team last night.

One could also argue that the Lakers are NOT a soft jumpshooting team this year and in years past. You don't get many fouls jacking up shots from 20 feet out. Hack-A-Shaq was alive and well last night.

Shaq Attack2 · 12-05-2003, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous
Poor, Poor Pitiful Lakers
Whiny LA More Hateable Than Ever
Mike Fisher -- DallasBasketball.com - Posted: 12/5/03
Back to Directory...

By Mike Fisher -- DallasBasketball.com
Poor, poor pitiful Lakers. Poor, poor pitiful Lakers.
You want to know something more offensive than overdogs who brag? It’s overdogs who whine.
This may be the most star-studded unit in basketball history. As proof, we offer the way their security is handled on the road: The NBA generally assigns visitors to Dallas one local cop to handle security. On occasion, a Tracy McGrady or a Scottie Pippen will require one additional cop.
The Lakers? They get three additional Dallas cops – plus five of their own traveling LA cops!
So it’s a special group. Yet because of the way this group whines and dramatizes and showboats, it is also an especially hateable group.
Two days in a row, Karl Malone has taken digs at Mark Cuban and the Mavs’ free-agent bid for him this summer. In San Antonio earlier this week, Shaquille O’Neal offered a take on Tim Duncan receiving a one-game suspension for bumping a ref: ‘If I would have did that, I would have gotten 10 games, you know that. It's us against the golden boys."
Is that right? Geez, Karl Malone through a purposeful elbow into the face of Steve Nash in Thursday's manhandling of the Lakers, and not only didn't he get 10 games suspension, the refs barely noticed he'd done it! Gosh, it must be tough being a Laker. First you get lied to. Then you are a second-class citizen compared to the ‘golden boys.’
We have no idea what either of these demented fellows is talking about. Dallas’ attempt to lure Malone via free agency was sincere, and if anything, the Mavs were too honest. They let Malone know that Alonzo Mourning was their primary target, and that they’d also like to have Malone. Heck, we wish they would’ve fibbed to Karl and let him think he was No. 1 all along, because then, when Mourning wussed out, nobody would’ve been the wiser and Malone would’ve been a Mav.
And since when are the Lakers anything but the NBA’s golden boys? From boy toy Wilt to logo-boy West to Kareem to Magic to Shaq to Kobe, the Lakers have long been the league’s sexiest and most glamorous club. Vanessa Williams marries them, Paula Abdul dances for them, Jack Nicholson lobbies officials for them. The Lakers do television, they rap, they make movies, they even get to dominate Court TV.
Mark Cuban’s Mavs have done a brilliant job making American Airlines Center a place to see and be seen. But life in LA is different, and it saddens the soul to hear that Karl and Shaq are having such a tough time of it there. The other night at a Lakers game, Jessica Alba sat courtside. A couple seats down sat Tobey Maguire. Maguire is ‘Spider-Man.’ Jessica is ‘Dark Angel’ and ‘Honey.’ If Tobey and Jessica showed up at a Mavs game, Laura Miller would give them keys to the city. If they showed up in San Antonio, either of them could be elected mayor.
But in LA? Where opponents are dishonest and unfairly favored? Alba is nobody, Maguire is only almost somebody and the world revolves around the inequitable treatment provided to Lakers players who deserve better.
The Mavs are liars?
The Spurs are pets?
Poor, poor pitiful Lakers.
Poor, poor pitiful Lakers.

One of the most pathetic articles I've read in a while. Why didn't he just say "I'm jealous of everything associated with Los Angeles, logical or not, and want everyone there to die!" so I could've saved myself a minute of my life.

MightyToine · 12-06-2003, 05:05 PM

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Chiwas · 12-06-2003, 05:35 PM

Despite the dubious intention of this thread, I'll tell you something that I don't like, independently of the game against LA:

Many times

- Nash complains with an "innocent girl" face about foul calls or TO's, etc.
- Finley complains with a permanent frown about foul calls or out of bounds.
- Najera complains about foul calls with a "why me" face, and ALWAYS points his side in out of bounds, even if it's clear a Mav touched last the ball.

I mean, why always or many times, and why to dramatize? We have 3 captains and any of them can ask or protest the call, and the refs have to explain.

If Nash, Finley and Najera always or often proteste, eventually, and it's already happening, the refs won't try any hard to improve calls in which the Mavs can be harmed, specially when they three are involved.

In any way, the ref's won't change a call and get resentment.

Edit: Also Bradley complains much.

I'm not saying that they don't have to complain in the doubtful or clearly bad calls; but not in almost any call and dramatizing.

dude1394 · 12-06-2003, 05:48 PM

Do you really think the mavs whine any more than other teams?? Maybe a little bit, but I don't see it.

kg_veteran · 12-06-2003, 05:58 PM

I think players, more so than teams, have tendencies to whine. For instance, Kobe Bryant whines a lot. Shaq really doesn't, at least from what I've seen. Karl Malone complains to the officials constantly. That's been the case for a long time now.

As for the Mavs, I think the "Big Three" complain too much, but I don't really see Walker or Jamison doing it. I also don't see Howard, Delk, Fortson, Best, or Daniels complaining much. In the past, Najera and Bradley have complained too much, but I don't see Shawn or Eddie griping nearly as much this year. Shawn has in a couple of recent games, but generally he's been pretty quiet about the calls.

LoveMyMavs14 · 12-06-2003, 06:29 PM

The Big 3 do it because they do often get shafted, and for stars they don't get the calls other stars generally get. But...I also don't think they realize it that complaining about it won't fix it. I, for one, would much rather see Fin get pissed and dunk on someone at the other end then get pissed and try to make Mr. Joey Crawford listen to him.

jayC · 12-06-2003, 07:17 PM

Listen all players in the NBA whine. The reason the mavs get singled out is because of Cubans stance against referees.

This is such a tired topic.

MightyToine · 12-06-2003, 07:55 PM

Oh Walker complains, guys.

It's just that he is careful about it 'cause he led the league in Techs last year I think....

Mavs_fun_fan · 12-06-2003, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by: jayC
Listen all players in the NBA whine. The reason the mavs get singled out is because of Cubans stance against referees.

This is such a tired topic.

Amen!
thats what is really going on, just watch Tim Duncan sometimes. He has this look as if someone had insulted him by calling a foul and always and I mean always goes to the ref and get really animated explaining how there's no way he commited a foul. Yet no one every calls Duncan a whiner yet he's one of the biggest. Malone whines non-stop along with Kobe, the officials have a vendetta against Cuban there is no doubt in my mind.

And anybody who is going to give me the tired crap about that's the way the NBA is save it. I'm old not young and I'm not paranoid. I've watch sports all my life and I've watched the Mavericks since they were established. I understand rules and i know what I'm seeing so save your breath and David Sterns canned responses.

Nash13 · 12-06-2003, 10:24 PM

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One could also argue that the Lakers are NOT a soft jumpshooting team this year and in years past. You don't get many fouls jacking up shots from 20 feet out. Hack-A-Shaq was alive and well last night.

The Mavs have been going to the hole a lot more than last year, but they were settling for too many jump shots on thursday.

The Mavs had a good chance to win that game if they didn't foul shaq at the end. I knew he was going to make those free throws.

Lets see this coming friday when Dirk comes back.