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Old 06-18-2023, 06:49 PM   #801
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Yeah don?t see this working out for the Suns. No true point guard, no bench, rookie head coach, and three massive contracts. Not scared of them either.
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Yeah I don't want to hear shit about this new CBA when Phx has three 50 mil guys and a 33 mil Ayton.
Funny how other teams can give up trash or past their prime players to get quality all stars

Mavs can't seem to trade guys like THJ, Powell, Bertans or Kleber for anything

Oh well

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Funny how other teams can give up trash or past their prime players to get quality all stars

Mavs can't seem to trade guys like THJ, Powell, Bertans or Kleber for anything

Oh well
I'm convinced it's because other GMs don't like Cuban. He thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

The key is to hold out for a bag for the 10th pick. If someone like Anthony Black falls, then you should be able to get a ransom for that if you know what you're doing.

Otherwise, you're kinda forced to take Lively. Bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
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Old 06-18-2023, 09:14 PM   #804
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Funny how other teams can give up trash or past their prime players to get quality all stars

Mavs can't seem to trade guys like THJ, Powell, Bertans or Kleber for anything

Oh well
You mean nobody wants our four age 30 plus replacement level players that each make well over the league average in salary?

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Old 06-18-2023, 10:33 PM   #805
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This LeBron to Dallas thing might have a 1% chance of happening

James loves and supports Mavs head coach Jason Kidd, who was an assistant coach on the Lakers when they won the 2020 championship. He also credits Kidd for instilling patience into his game.

?Not only has he been my coach, he has been my teammate, as well. Olympics. I?ve known J-Kidd for quite a while. I went against him as well as a player and in the postseason as well, early days in Cleveland. He was in New Jersey at the time, but I?ve never been great at this," James said after the Mavs defeated the Lakers in a double-overtime thriller on Jan. 12.
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Well, the Mavs need to try to get something for wood. The Suns can surely use him if they move Ayton. Initial report are Bulls may be early favorite for wood.

Wouldn't mind Dosunmu from Bulls especially if Green is dealt. Or maybe Mavs can get send a bigger packaage and get Vucevic. The benefit to Bulls is thye would save the MLE to shop for more if they deal for Wood. Of course this might impact Mavs keeping their MLE.
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Well, the Mavs need to try to get something for wood. The Suns can surely use him if they move Ayton. Initial report are Bulls may be early favorite for wood.

Wouldn't mind Dosunmu from Bulls especially if Green is dealt. Or maybe Mavs can get send a bigger packaage and get Vucevic. The benefit to Bulls is thye would save the MLE to shop for more if they deal for Wood. Of course this might impact Mavs keeping their MLE.
Maximize all assets. It?s something Donnie f%#??ed up before he left and something Nico has to do because he took over this squad with almost no assets to speak of.

Grabbing Hardy for nearly nothing was good.

We need a lot more of that.
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Another source says Zion likes "Houston" and "Atlanta".
Houston - Mavs are in trouble with the potential return of the Texas big-three. Harden/Smith/Williamson/Sengun could mess some teams up.

Atlanta - They'd definitely want Collins gone. Maybe that is why they started that Collins to Mavs rumor.

Would yall do McGee/Bertans and a future second for Collins and the #15?

Hawks clear up the starting lineup for Zion and dump massive salary. Draft isn't important because if it doesn't work out, they are dumping Young and rebuilding anyway. Hawks go for one more big push in the Young era while clearing salary to avoid the second apron.

Mavs get a potential starter/rehab PF and end up with both the 10/15 in this draft to get Lively (a Tyson Chandler starter kit) at 10 and Cason Wallace at 15.

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Stein says teams really believe Lively has Tyson Chandler potential. Just don't see how you pass on that.
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About to be the longest 3 days with these rumors going wild.
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About to be the longest 3 days with these rumors going wild.
Feel like it's actually been pretty tame on the Mavs front esp with the draft.

Just don't think it'll be worth trading the 10th pick at the end of the day.
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Feel like it's actually been pretty tame on the Mavs front esp with the draft.

Just don't think it'll be worth trading the 10th pick at the end of the day.

If anyone but a big is called as our pick, it's for someone else. We could move back, but that's a call that can be made if Jarace is taken before our selection.
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If anyone but a big is called as our pick, it's for someone else. We could move back, but that's a call that can be made if Jarace is taken before our selection.
We desperately need a big, and Lively makes a ton of sense.

But you still go BPA. Anthony Black would be hard to pass on if he falls. He's actually not a terrible fit either if we play him at SF.

I mean, I'd obviously field offers if Black falls to 10, but he might be too good to pass up either way.
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We desperately need a big, and Lively makes a ton of sense.

But you still go BPA. Anthony Black would be hard to pass on if he falls. He's actually not a terrible fit either if we play him at SF.

I mean, I'd obviously field offers if Black falls to 10, but he might be too good to pass up either way.
Said the same thing on another board.
There is no way we pass on Black if he happens to fall to us.
Just too good of a fit and his potential is through the roof. I cant imagine him getting past both Orlando and Utah though, but if he does, Cuban will have made his biggest bonehead move if he passes on him or trades the pick.

I dont even want to think about what my house would look like if Cuban was to pass on Black

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Said the same thing on another board.
There is no way we pass on Black if he happens to fall to us.
Just too good of a fit and his potential is through the roof. I cant imagine him getting past both Orlando and Utah though, but if he does, Cuban will have made his biggest bonehead move if he passes on him or trades the pick.

I dont even want to think about what my house would look like if Cuban was to pass on Black
I'm as big a Black fan as there is as he's been all Hog, but wouldn't his skill set be fairly duplicitous with Luka and Kyrie. The defense is something to dream on 1-4 so if they can make it all work alongside the other two, I'm for it. The Mavs would still have a large hole at the 5.
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I'm as big a Black fan as there is as he's been all Hog, but wouldn't his skill set be fairly duplicitous with Luka and Kyrie. The defense is something to dream on 1-4 so if they can make it all work alongside the other two, I'm for it. The Mavs would still have a large hole at the 5.
I would say my main detraction from Lively is the fact that Kidd won't develop him. Kidd is awful with centers, so it would ruin Lively's career from the start.

Honestly, the Mavs are kings of curveballs. Too many signs point to Lively which is exactly why I wouldn't count on it happening.
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I would say my main detraction from Lively is the fact that Kidd won't develop him. Kidd is awful with centers, so it would ruin Lively's career from the start.

Honestly, the Mavs are kings of curveballs. Too many signs point to Lively which is exactly why I wouldn't count on it happening.
Is the only evidence to this lack of big development Wood and his issues last season? Otherwise, what has Kidd been able to work with? I'd put more emphasis in the fact that we have Lively's NBA comp in Tyson Chandler as a player development coach than Kidd's role with bigs.
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I'm as big a Black fan as there is as he's been all Hog, but wouldn't his skill set be fairly duplicitous with Luka and Kyrie. The defense is something to dream on 1-4 so if they can make it all work alongside the other two, I'm for it. The Mavs would still have a large hole at the 5.
Black is the perfect pick for us imo because he provides instant much needed wing defense that will give him heavy minutes. He can develop his offensive game slowly as Kyrie ages.

If we take Black, I think Hardy or Green would have to be the bait to acquire a center.

But I'm wondering if Ayton could be had for Maxie,THJ and McGee now.
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https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1671182652227874817

Yep. No team has any interest in Collins. I mean, I'd consider Collins and the 15th pick if they wanted our trash, but I can't see Cuban wanting that contract.
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Yep. No team has any interest in Collins. I mean, I'd consider Collins and the 15th pick if they wanted our trash, but I can't see Cuban wanting that contract.
I?m not buying that. The Mavs should hop on that.
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Yep. No team has any interest in Collins. I mean, I'd consider Collins and the 15th pick if they wanted our trash, but I can't see Cuban wanting that contract.
Might as well re sign Wood if they are really looking at Collins
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Except Collins can play defense and play without the ball. I like the idea of getting the 15th pick.
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More clic bait. Hate to lose Green but seems there will be potential replacements for him at 10 or even in trade down scenarios. I know folks don't like Ayton here but I'd do this. Prefer Ayton to Collins.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...54ded337&ei=12
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More clic bait. Hate to lose Green but seems there will be potential replacements for him at 10 or even in trade down scenarios. I know folks don't like Ayton here but I'd do this. Prefer Ayton to Collins.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...54ded337&ei=12
That?s not a bad deal. Kidd doesn?t play McGee and doesn?t like Wood. I like the idea of Collins and 15 though.
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Saw someone report Utah looking to move 16 + 28 (or whatever their picks are) for expiring deals. Bertans perhaps?
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More clic bait. Hate to lose Green but seems there will be potential replacements for him at 10 or even in trade down scenarios. I know folks don't like Ayton here but I'd do this. Prefer Ayton to Collins.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...54ded337&ei=12
There are rumors of us getting Grant Williams so I?d be more amenable to moving Green if we could get him.

But man Ayton ugh?
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Remember, if it's not Stein, Shams, or Woj, then take it for a big grain of salt.

Stein hinted that the Mavs might actually keep the pick. Good. I'm for keeping it personally or trading back for a couple of firsts.
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Here's something I've been chewing on: apparently we are the only one in the running for Kyrie which is good. The only teams that want him have to SnT for him and we've rejected that. It appears that for once we are in a position of power. Do we:

1) Just give him the max to secure him and avoid a Nash situation and keep him
2) Only offer him a max if we can SnT him
3) Offer him less or the max with lots of stipulations on behavior/games played etc.

Do we even play ball in this circumstance?

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Remember, if it's not Stein, Shams, or Woj, then take it for a big grain of salt.

Stein hinted that the Mavs might actually keep the pick. Good. I'm for keeping it personally or trading back for a couple of firsts.
I mean if Bradley Beal got traded for a bunch of 2nd rounders then yeah i'm not trading my 10th overall pick for someone lesser than him.
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Here's something I've been chewing on: apparently we are the only one in the running for Kyrie which is good. The only teams that want him have to SnT for him and we've rejected that. It appears that for once we are in a position of power. Do we:

1) Just give him the max to secure him and avoid a Nash situation and keep him
2) Only offer him a max if we can SnT him
3) Offer him less or the max with lots of stipulations on behavior/games played etc.

Do we even play ball in this circumstance?
They have no power when it comes to Kyrie. They will damn near give him a blank check and what he wants he will get with no stipulations.
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I mean if Bradley Beal got traded for a bunch of 2nd rounders then yeah i'm not trading my 10th overall pick for someone lesser than him.
Yeah, it's funny how every draft teams think they can move up into the top 10. It's almost unheard of for that to happen.

King's ransom or we keep it!
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Yeah, it's funny how every draft teams think they can move up into the top 10. It's almost unheard of for that to happen.

King's ransom or we keep it!
I agree. And that's why I would rather keep it because it doesn't seem like you're going to get a kings ransom...or maybe its worth more on draft day? Is the draft becoming a after thought because teams want to win now? I remember hearing how deep this draft is shocked its not garnering more compensation.
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I agree. And that's why I would rather keep it because it doesn't seem like you're going to get a kings ransom...or maybe its worth more on draft day? Is the draft becoming a after thought because teams want to win now? I remember hearing how deep this draft is shocked its not garnering more compensation.
It's healthier for teams to keep their picks. Remember the new CBA will be more restrictive...or so they say. Teams want team friendly contracts.

But yeah, deadlines make deals. This is a deep draft for overall talent.

Thing is, I'm not so sure you even take the Capela/15 deal for Bertans/10. I think you aim for more and can likely get it.
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Remember, if it's not Stein, Shams, or Woj, then take it for a big grain of salt.

Stein hinted that the Mavs might actually keep the pick. Good. I'm for keeping it personally or trading back for a couple of firsts.
This was from CBS

No team is facing greater urgency to win right now than the Mavericks. Luka Doncic may have four years left on his contract, but the NBA moves much faster than that nowadays. Reports have already surfaced suggesting that Dallas is worried about Doncic forcing his way out after another down year. The Mavericks took a big swing by adding Kyrie Irving at the trade deadline, but it cost Dallas its defense. Now the Mavericks need to rebuild it if it plans to win with Doncic and Irving this season, and the No. 10 pick is their best asset.

Dallas has been linked to Atlanta in a trade down involving the No. 10 pick and Atlanta's No. 15 slot, but Dallas reportedly wants Clint Capela in that deal, not John Collins as Atlanta would prefer. The No. 10 pick probably isn't enough to get into the Anunoby sweepstakes, but that's a call Dallas should probably make. Any defensive-minded veteran on the market is a possible Mavericks candidate. Dallas can't afford to wait for a rookie to develop. It's now or never.
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No team is facing greater urgency to win right now than the Mavericks. Luka Doncic may have four years left on his contract, but the NBA moves much faster than that nowadays. Reports have already surfaced suggesting that Dallas is worried about Doncic forcing his way out after another down year. The Mavericks took a big swing by adding Kyrie Irving at the trade deadline, but it cost Dallas its defense. Now the Mavericks need to rebuild it if it plans to win with Doncic and Irving this season, and the No. 10 pick is their best asset.

Dallas has been linked to Atlanta in a trade down involving the No. 10 pick and Atlanta's No. 15 slot, but Dallas reportedly wants Clint Capela in that deal, not John Collins as Atlanta would prefer. The No. 10 pick probably isn't enough to get into the Anunoby sweepstakes, but that's a call Dallas should probably make. Any defensive-minded veteran on the market is a possible Mavericks candidate. Dallas can't afford to wait for a rookie to develop. It's now or never.
Funny because I've seen more than one rumor saying Toronto is hard to deal with and that they will likely run it again. Maybe that's posturing, but rumors around the trade deadline was they wanted an unreasonable amount for OG.

There is no way the Mavs do Collins/15 for Bertans/10. 0 chance. I'd still consider the Capela/15, but even that isn't some home run in this draft.

It matters who falls too. Bilaly is still climbing. If a team like Utah takes him, then you might get Hendricks or Black. You're in a MUCH more powerful position for a trade or to just keep them at that point.
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No team is facing greater urgency to win right now than the Mavericks. Luka Doncic may have four years left on his contract, but the NBA moves much faster than that nowadays. Reports have already surfaced suggesting that Dallas is worried about Doncic forcing his way out after another down year. The Mavericks took a big swing by adding Kyrie Irving at the trade deadline, but it cost Dallas its defense. Now the Mavericks need to rebuild it if it plans to win with Doncic and Irving this season, and the No. 10 pick is their best asset.

Dallas has been linked to Atlanta in a trade down involving the No. 10 pick and Atlanta's No. 15 slot, but Dallas reportedly wants Clint Capela in that deal, not John Collins as Atlanta would prefer. The No. 10 pick probably isn't enough to get into the Anunoby sweepstakes, but that's a call Dallas should probably make. Any defensive-minded veteran on the market is a possible Mavericks candidate. Dallas can't afford to wait for a rookie to develop. It's now or never.
There are actually teams facing way more urgency, the blazers, the lakers off the top of my head. This now or never narrative is so tired. It was ?win now? last season, anddd they finished 11th.

Whether org wants to admit it or not, they?re rebuilding. This team is not one piece away, they are three pieces away (Kyrie isn?t signed yet).

Cuban will never get into the new second apron so the idea that FO will go after free agents with massive contracts is hilarious. We?ll be right back to playing Luka 42 mpg burning him out further.
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There are actually teams facing way more urgency, the blazers, the lakers off the top of my head. This now or never narrative is so tired. It was ?win now? last season, anddd they finished 11th.

Whether org wants to admit it or not, they?re rebuilding. This team is not one piece away, they are three pieces away (Kyrie isn?t signed yet).

Cuban will never get into the new second apron so the idea that FO will go after free agents with massive contracts is hilarious. We?ll be right back to playing Luka 42 mpg burning him out further.
We are still basically 3 pieces away from contending with Kyrie signed. We can make noise with Luka Kyrie and a quality big, but we need someone like Green or Hardy to step way up or we need to move for another solid forward.
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There are actually teams facing way more urgency, the blazers, the lakers off the top of my head. This now or never narrative is so tired. It was ?win now? last season, anddd they finished 11th.

Whether org wants to admit it or not, they?re rebuilding. This team is not one piece away, they are three pieces away (Kyrie isn?t signed yet).

Cuban will never get into the new second apron so the idea that FO will go after free agents with massive contracts is hilarious. We?ll be right back to playing Luka 42 mpg burning him out further.
This team can't rebuild. I mean they could but it would be them trading Luka and Kyrie walking. They are closer to contending than rebuilding.
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