Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread

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Jazz win. Mavs lose to spurs and can forge tie for 9th draft pick pending drawing.

[Dallas41]

I wish the league had a way to take the actual pick from them and give it to NY anyway

I hated the entire idea of tanking especially since the west was wide open and no team in the top 4 of the west was safe in the 1st round

I wouldn't be shocked if Denver, Sacramento, Memphis or Phoenix went home in the 1st round.

As for cuban I really don't care he deserves to be hit hard by a fine or draft Pick

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I wish the league had a way to take the actual pick from them and give it to NY anyway

I hated the entire idea of tanking especially since the west was wide open and no team in the top 4 of the west was safe in the 1st round

I wouldn't be shocked if Denver, Sacramento, Memphis or Phoenix went home in the 1st round.

As for cuban I really don't care he deserves to be hit hard by a fine or draft Pick

Okc would?ve easily won tomorrow since Grizz is sitting everyone. Mavs weren?t getting in. There?s no moral victory in winning out, missing the play in as an 11 seed, and losing the pick.

We can talk about how mid the west is, but Mavs aren?t part of that conversation because they aren?t a 5/6/7/8 seed with the ability to even face those 4 teams. They suck. You?re lying to yourself if you say otherwise.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Okc would?ve easily won tomorrow since Grizz is sitting everyone. Mavs weren?t getting in. There?s no moral victory in winning out, missing the play in as an 11 seed, and losing the pick.

We can talk about how mid the west is, but Mavs aren?t part of that conversation because they aren?t a 5/6/7/8 seed with the ability to even face those 4 teams. They suck. You?re lying to yourself if you say otherwise.

I guess we can agree to disagree

In fact I don't believe the 10th pick is really going to land anyone that makes an impact for this roster next year.

Maybe they trade it to help acquire a talented veteran but at this point I'm not trusting this FO to construct a roster and put pieces around Luka before he walks

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I guess we can agree to disagree

In fact I don't believe the 10th pick is really going to land anyone that makes an impact for this roster next year.

Maybe they trade it to help acquire a talented veteran but at this point I'm not trusting this FO to construct a roster and put pieces around Luka before he walks

They have a 5% chance at the French dude, and almost 15% chance at top 4.

[BPo001]

Matthew Tynan: So, both Spurs and Mavs will be sitting like half their rosters, and both teams would objectively be better off losing. But it?s basically must-lose for Dallas. I doubt SA is going to do anything weird in-game just to keep their shot at guaranteeing a top-6 pick. Mavs are all in. ? via Twitter Matthew_Tynan

[EricaLubarsky]

Yeah Jazz have one more game and it's the Lakers on ESPN. If they win and we lose, we COULD split the 9th/10th (8th/9th in the bizarre circumstance where the Bulls beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks)

Possibilities with a win today (Bulls going 2-0 in play-in would reduce each position by 1)
10/11/12 tie - 32.1% chance of keeping pick - Thunder/Bulls win
10/11 tie - 44.6% chance of keeping pick - Thunder or Bulls win
10 sole ownership - 79.8% chance of keeping pick - Thunder/Bulls lose

Possibilities with a loss today (Bulls going 2-0 in play-in would reduce each position by 1)
10 sole ownership - 79.8% chance of keeping pick - Jazz lose
9/10 tie - 88.3% chance of keeping pick - Jazz win

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Yeah Jazz have one more game and it's the Lakers on ESPN. If they win and we lose, we COULD split the 9th/10th (8th/9th in the bizarre circumstance where the Bulls beat both the Raptors and Heat/Hawks)

Possibilities with a win today (Bulls going 2-0 in play-in would reduce each position by 1)
10/11/12 tie - 32.1% chance of keeping pick - Thunder/Bulls win
10/11 tie - 44.6% chance of keeping pick - Thunder or Bulls win
10 sole ownership - 79.8% chance of keeping pick - Thunder/Bulls lose

Possibilities with a loss today (Bulls going 2-0 in play-in would reduce each position by 1)
10 sole ownership - 79.8% chance of keeping pick - Jazz lose
9/10 tie - 88.3% chance of keeping pick - Jazz win

Bulls win and OKC is up. Jazz losing to Lakers so this game might be pointless anyway

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Was a bit alarming at Sunday brunch that one of the servers saw my Luka phone case and commented that we might lose our draft pick. Just his opinion, but it's pretty wild how this out of control this thing has gotten. He absolutely wanted Kidd gone too.

I'm still a deer in headlights that anyone could keep their job after doing that. If we did lose our pick, then Kidd would HAVE to go. There is no other way.

[EricaLubarsky]

It's going to be a long wait until May 16th

Then June 22nd (assuming we don't lose the pick to Silver being a dick or bad lottery ball draws)

[Melonhead]

Dead serious Mavs got to see if they can get a buy low deal on Gobert.

They want him out of there, THJ and filler can get it done.

[Melonhead]

Wood said fuck the exit interview

Kyrie smartly declines his exit interview. Questions would be about future, happiness in Dallas, and questions about the tank job.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Wood said fuck the exit interview

Kyrie smartly declines his exit interview. Questions would be about future, happiness in Dallas, and questions about the tank job.

This truly is the darkest timeline

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

This truly is the darkest timeline

Its kind of crazy, all the things we've been complaining about for years on the fringes of this organization regarding ownership, coach, past mistakes regarding building a winning roster; like all of these things collided together this season.

Its the worst of the worst outcomes

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Its kind of crazy, all the things we've been complaining about for years on the fringes of this organization regarding ownership, coach, past mistakes regarding building a winning roster; like all of these things collided together this season.

Its the worst of the worst outcomes

And it all started in 2019. I was met with a lot of resistance around here when I said how that summer would haunt the team in future years. They literally just were asleep at the wheel and didn't seem to care other than keeping KP.

4 years of total ineptitude.

[saclare]

Alright folks, glad I stayed away for the weekend. Got what I wanted and that was maximizing the shot at the pick. Still work to do as there's always the (much lower now) chance that someone jumps ahead. But for the next month until the balls drop, that's what I'll presume.

Not sure some here are grasping the optionality that the pick offers. Some here are making posts and declarations that a rookie won't move the needle much. While I'd argue against that and even bring up the ole Bane supporters for that, why are you ignoring the fact that our tradeable assets just got a shot in the arm? I fully expect the Mavs to trade this pick for a "win-now" piece aka a vet with a proven skill set to fit with Luka and Kyrie. I haven't taken a dive into possible targets, but we would be wise to track both top 15 prospects and veteran trade targets.

I also see a lot of you bought into the new Timmy MacMahon. If you haven't seen that this guy has sold his soul to ESPN for probably 3 years running now, I can't help ya. Wayyyy too many other good follows than to have his drama king wannabe, stirring the pot "journalism" across my feed. Glad Luka called him out on it in his exit presser.

Time to retool, no time to dwell on this shitty season. My only hope is the gigantic amount of egg on the face of this owner and FO help them to recognize failures (words have been said but need action) and pivot to build a roster around Luka (and hopefully Kyrie) better. The single most important thing that has been said to this point is that they need to earn Luka's time here and that it's not given. Seems they understand this won't be Dirk 2.0 and they can't endure another cluster, at least not a season-long one.

[Melonhead]

Shannon Sharpe nailed it paraphrasing

?Cuban wouldn?t give Brunson 130 million but now you think he?s gonna give Kyrie 275 million??

?I don?t care what load of crap Cuban tells you about Brunson bottom line he didn?t believe Brunson could do what he did in a contract year somewhere else?

Cuban will be the reason if Kyrie doesn?t come back.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Shannon Sharpe nailed it paraphrasing

?Cuban wouldn?t give Brunson 130 million but now you think he?s gonna give Kyrie 275 million??

?I don?t care what load of crap Cuban tells you about Brunson bottom line he didn?t believe Brunson could do what he did in a contract year somewhere else?

Cuban will be the reason if Kyrie doesn?t come back.

A couple of counterpoints...

Brunson never gave the Mavs a shot at offering that much. At that point, they had already let the early extension deadline pass and FA was the play. Typically, the incumbent team get a chance to match or counteroffer a higher deal. By all accounts, this never happened.

Kyrie will likely sign something around 5 years and $250M. Again, media driven narratives that Kyrie is the issue when we have heard quite the opposite from teammates, including multiple who have flat said they bought into it and he's nothing like the way he's portrayed to the public.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by saclare

A couple of counterpoints...

Brunson never gave the Mavs a shot at offering that much. At that point, they had already let the early extension deadline pass and FA was the play. Typically, the incumbent team get a chance to match or counteroffer a higher deal. By all accounts, this never happened.

Kyrie will likely sign something around 5 years and $250M. Again, media driven narratives that Kyrie is the issue when we have heard quite the opposite from teammates, including multiple who have flat said they bought into it and he's nothing like the way he's portrayed to the public.

He did give them a shot. Cuban flat out lied this week and said he didnt know Brunson's number, which was reported before FA began, hence the tampering lol.

So along with the lie, he added another lie if he knew the Knicks number he wouldve paid it in a heartbeat. Implying the signing was possible. Dudes story changes throughout the last 10 months.

And if Kyrie's max if 5/275, why would you come in at 5/250? You risk him being unhappy when youre right there at the max already.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

He did give them a shot. Cuban flat out lied this week and said he didnt know Brunson's number, which was reported before FA began, hence the tampering lol.

So along with the lie, he added another lie if he knew the Knicks number he wouldve paid it in a heartbeat. Implying the signing was possible. Dudes story changes throughout the last 10 months.

And if Kyrie's max if 5/275, why would you come in at 5/250? You risk him being unhappy when youre right there at the max already.

At this point I don't know how any fan can believe or trust cuban

I just get the feeling he simply didn't want to pay JB market value

For years cuban has been preaching the idea of getting something for nothing

I think he's stuck in that mode

The days of cuban going for it all might be over.

I think he's more likely to bargain shop to try and surround Luka with pieces that he thinks might just hit one day.

As for his kyrie talk I'll wait to see if he puts his money where his mouth is.....

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

At this point I don't know how any fan can believe or trust cuban

I just get the feeling he simply didn't want to pay JB market value

For years cuban has been preaching the idea of getting something for nothing

I think he's stuck in that mode

The days of cuban going for it all might be over.

I think he's more likely to bargain shop to try and surround Luka with pieces that he thinks might just hit one day.

As for his kyrie talk I'll wait to see if he puts his money where his mouth is.....

I can't understand for the life of me why y'all take Daddy Brunson's word and run with it as the end all truth. Oh, but Tim MacMahon said the same...oof.

Don't mistake me for defending the FO, either. This is squarely on their shoulders and their problem to fix. Dwelling on he said she said shit with Brunson is beyond tiring at this point. They fucked it up, no on is defending them on it. But to state, as truth, that Brunson would have signed here if given the opportunity is straight garbage. He never gave them the chance. I don't care for what reason or the other, Mavs never got the meeting after Knicks to counter. Pretty sure everyone has stated that now.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

He did give them a shot. Cuban flat out lied this week and said he didnt know Brunson's number, which was reported before FA began, hence the tampering lol.

So along with the lie, he added another lie if he knew the Knicks number he wouldve paid it in a heartbeat. Implying the signing was possible. Dudes story changes throughout the last 10 months.

And if Kyrie's max if 5/275, why would you come in at 5/250? You risk him being unhappy when youre right there at the max already.

Everyone knew the damn number, that's not at all what I'm saying. Mavs let him get to FA, right or wrong. Then Brunson never gave the Mavs the opportunity to match or present an offer. He was Knicks the whole time. Believe who you want man, I'm over this shit.

You may be right on Kyrie. I simply don't care what it takes, re-sign him or get assets back in a sign and trade. Can't lose another asset for nothing.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by saclare

Everyone knew the damn number, that's not at all what I'm saying. Mavs let him get to FA, right or wrong. Then Brunson never gave the Mavs the opportunity to match or present an offer. He was Knicks the whole time. Believe who you want man, I'm over this shit.

You may be right on Kyrie. I simply don't care what it takes, re-sign him or get assets back in a sign and trade. Can't lose another asset for nothing.

Agreed on JB. And Im Over it as well. If I had my way, the only time he gets brought up is when it's on a list of every other fuck up since Nash.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Well it's strange anyone would be skeptical of the 10th pick when we just drafted a full time contributor at 37.

Now, FA is another story. Will they finally do something significant other than just trying to keep Kyrie? And will Cuban even pay for Kyrie what you know it'll cost to keep him?

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well it's strange anyone would be skeptical of the 10th pick when we just drafted a full time contributor at 37.

Now, FA is another story. Will they finally do something significant other than just trying to keep Kyrie? And will Cuban even pay for Kyrie what you know it'll cost to keep him?

Yeah unless it?s a bonafide vet defensive stopper and/or rim protector, I?d keep the pick in a heartbeat. I know we don?t draft often but guys these days can be immediate contributors when you?re drafting that high. Mavs like to draft projects so we aren?t used to guys like Hardy.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Yeah unless it?s a bonafide vet defensive stopper and/or rim protector, I?d keep the pick in a heartbeat. I know we don?t draft often but guys these days can be immediate contributors when you?re drafting that high. Mavs like to draft projects so we aren?t used to guys like Hardy.

Absolutely agree. I just tend to think the Mavs will push for that first and would be more than happy to make the pick. They still have to have someone like a guy so much in order to make that trade, as wouldn't the Mavs have to make the pick in order to trade since the KP conveyance still looms?

[SMC0007]

From what we know at the moment, Kidd will still be here next season. If you draft at 10, who really has confidence that guy wont be stuck on the bench? This org is so full of contradictions and confusion, I have no idea what they tenative plans are. Surely they fully shop the 10th pick and only draft as a back up plan. You can't tank and say all this about keeping Luka and Kyrie then try to draft and rely on a rookie at this stage. I'm sure a few rookies would be nice additions right away, but we MUST get a high level Big. We also need a 2 way wing.

Conversations with Kyrie are top priority. You have to know exactly where he stands. We can't afford for him to decide to just peace out for nothing. If he isn't 100% sold on being here, do everything to facilitate his move.

FO isn't really even going to have an off season.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

From what we know at the moment, Kidd will still be here next season. If you draft at 10, who really has confidence that guy wont be stuck on the bench? This org is so full of contradictions and confusion, I have no idea what they tenative plans are. Surely they fully shop the 10th pick and only draft as a back up plan. You can't tank and say all this about keeping Luka and Kyrie then try to draft and rely on a rookie at this stage. I'm sure a few rookies would be nice additions right away, but we MUST get a high level Big. We also need a 2 way wing.

Conversations with Kyrie are top priority. You have to know exactly where he stands. We can't afford for him to decide to just peace out for nothing. If he isn't 100% sold on being here, do everything to facilitate his move.

FO isn't really even going to have an off season.

Based on luka's comments regarding things has to change

I feel as though that pick has to be flipped for help now not some guy who won't contribute to title contending team next year

Luka is about to walk out the door he ain't got time for the mavs to be developing guys

He could care less about that damn pick as evidence by his comments spoken about the tank situation he wanted to play and make the playoffs

They better be trying to use that bullshit pick to obtain a high quality starting big or defensive wing that matters next year

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

They better be trying to use that bullshit pick to obtain a high quality starting big or defensive wing that matters next year

You do realize Jalen Duren, Mark Williams, and Walker Kessler were all drafted after 10 last draft right? All of them would be starting at center for us.

I know this draft devoid of good bigs, but you must think we have talent on our team to be picky.

I'm fine trading the pick for upgrades, but don't act like the 10th pick couldn't be played right away.

Only the coach is the one stopping that.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Based on luka's comments regarding things has to change

I feel as though that pick has to be flipped for help now not some guy who won't contribute to title contending team next year

Luka is about to walk out the door he ain't got time for the mavs to be developing guys

He could care less about that damn pick as evidence by his comments spoken about the tank situation he wanted to play and make the playoffs

They better be trying to use that bullshit pick to obtain a high quality starting big or defensive wing that matters next year

Yea, I am sure there are guys who could probably contribute and maybe even start but it's a risk you can't justify right now.

I'm not even interested in a defensive wing. We have to have as close to a 2 way player as possible. No more Bullocks, Dfs, Holidays. They have to be able to play both sides of the court AND dribble the ball.

A big is top priority, though.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea, I am sure there are guys who could probably contribute and maybe even start but it's a risk you can't justify right now.

I'm not even interested in a defensive wing. We have to have as close to a 2 way player as possible. No more Bullocks, Dfs, Holidays. They have to be able to play both sides of the court AND dribble the ball.

A big is top priority, though.

It feels like an eternity that Cuban goes for one dimensional players because he doesnt ever want to pay market value for big difference makers around the star. 2 way players dont grow on trees for bargains, unless youre willing to draft them. I just dont know if Cuban will spend to get whats needed around Luka.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

It feels like an eternity that Cuban goes for one dimensional players because he doesnt ever want to pay market value for big difference makers around the star. 2 way players dont grow on trees for bargains, unless youre willing to draft them. I just dont know if Cuban will spend to get whats needed around Luka.

Cuban and the FO, both previous and now, have yet to properly gauge the market value of players in both free agency and trades. That's more than fair.

[saclare]

Lol a "bullshit" pick that will somehow help the Mavs retain Luka. Ya gotta get over the regular season, my guy. That pick will end up immediately helping the Mavs in one way or the other. Just a weird fixation on how it got here.

I still believe that it will be used via trade. However, I can absolutely see a few guys who can more than "contribute" next season and beyond. I will be able to understand the value of a guy like that on a rookie contract. I also understand the win-now mentality and agree with you it will more than likely be better served going after a wing and/or big to shore up the roster.

Agree with SMC that they can't screw this up like last offseason and better have as best of an understanding of Kyrie and his plans as they can.

[EricaLubarsky]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/w...han-you-think/

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/w...han-you-think/

He fits an obvious need, but man, the guy is a head case. We already have a head case coach (who might jerk him around like he did Wood), and a head case owner. That could back fire big time.

[tap2390]

Out on Gobert.

1) He?s overpaid and overrated. Can?t guard the perimeter that well which is crucial with all the switching in the NBA.

2) He?s a dick.

3) A third large contract hampers us.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/w...han-you-think/

He averaged a career-low 2.1 blocks per 100 possessions this season. According to FiveThirtyEight's RAPTOR metric, he is having his worst defensive season since 2016, and opposing players are shooting 56.6% against Gobert within six feet of the basket. That is the worst figure of his career by far.

Damn he did have a rough season. Also didnt know he was 31.

[Melonhead]

If Mavs have a read on Kyrie (lol) and think he's staying, then Id draft a player.

If they have a feeling he's not staying, then you might have to package that pick for someone. Toronto, Portland have guys out there I'd be interested in .

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

If Mavs have a read on Kyrie (lol) and think he's staying, then Id draft a player.

If they have a feeling he's not staying, then you might have to package that pick for someone. Toronto, Portland have guys out there I'd be interested in .

Remember they could do a S&T and get a package back for Kyrie. Almost a certainty with how much he'll command.

[tap2390]

My heart prays Kyrie stays, my head says there's a sleeper destination for Kyrie....


If Suns renounce Paul and trade Ayton into cap space this offseason they have enough to sign Kyrie outright.