Diop Traded to Charlotte

[dirno2000]

For Matt Carroll and Ryan Hollins...

...according to Galloway there's another trade coming but they don't know who or when...

...now it sounds like that was just that was just Stein speculating. Nothing else is imminent.

[DirkFTW]

Gah... someone tell me if this is good or bad or blah.

[Rick41]

Oh sh!t! Where's R-Felton?

[MavericksFan5912]

Originally Posted by Rick41

Oh sh!t! Where's R-Felton?

In Charlotte, where he'll stay if the Bobcats FO has half a brain. Felton is a stud.

[Rick41]

I wish the mavs FO had half of half a brain.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Rick41

I wish the mavs FO had half of half a brain.

So you don't like this trade?

[Stranger]

Wow... I would have preferred Felton, but I think we can use Carroll's shooting. Also, I can't believe that we were able to get out of that Diop contract so quickly. That alone is a very good thing.

I guess those reports that Charlotte wanted Diop in the off-season were accurate. I thought they might have been rumors intended to increase his value in free agency (I didn't think he had much after his play in New Jersey).

Does anyone know anything about Ryan Hollins?

[Stranger]

Hmm... checking Carroll's stats, it appears he is shooting only .279 from 3-point range, after two seasons of shooting over .400. I remember some strong play from him two seasons ago, when he averaged around 12 per game. It looks like he's played very poorly for Larry Brown this season. Let's hope he finds his shot again.

As for Hollins... stats look mediocre, but superior to Diop's. He shoots .543 as opposed to Diop's .379 (really abysmal for a center).

[MavericksFan5912]

Ryan Hollins info

Matt Carroll info

[Rick41]

Looks like we're down to 1 center again.


Until Hollins proves me otherwise, he will back up Damp right?

[purplefrog]

Sources: Mavs agree to trade Diop
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
Archive

Diop
The Dallas Mavericks and Charlotte Bobcats have reached an agreement in principle on a new trade after last week's collapse of a three-way deal with the Oklahoma City Thunder, according to NBA front-office sources.
This one, however, does not involve Bobcats guard Raymond Felton.
Sources told ESPN.com on Friday that the Mavericks and Bobcats are close to completing a deal that would send Dallas center DeSagana Diop to Charlotte for guard Matt Carroll and center Ryan Hollins.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3839086

[MavericksFan5912]

I think this means that instead of unloading Diops contract and also picking up a potential all-star (Felton), the Mavs unloaded the Diop contract in exchange for some loose ends. I don't expect this to have much impact on the floor this season at all - it will clear cap space for this summer though.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by MavericksFan5912

I think this means that instead of unloading Diops contract and also picking up a potential all-star (Felton), the Mavs unloaded the Diop contract in exchange for some loose ends. I don't expect this to have much impact on the floor this season at all - it will clear cap space for this summer though.

Felton would have cleared up more space. He's a restricted free agent after this season that you could have let walk.

Carroll is making 13 mil over the next three seasons with a player option for 12/13. It's interesting to see that his contract was front loaded. It declines in value which is very rare in the NBA. His player option at the end is only for 3.5 mil.

Diop is due 26 mil over the next four seasons (technically the last year is a player option for 7mil, but anyone think he's turning that down?) so they saved a ton of cash and hopefully Caroll's shooting will actually help the team somewhat.

Some people will dislike this trade because of getting rid of a center, but those people fail to realize that Bass had aready become the backup center.

Getting out of that horrendous Diop contract is a fantastic deal, period.

[purplefrog]

At least Hollins shoots Fts at 67% this year. Diop at 44% is Shaq-like. Carroll being 6'6" and a shooter could also help at SG. I think with JKidd at PG you will see Carroll's shooting touch come back.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Anything for Diop is a good deal. Well anything that isn't fat, slow, underproductive, and arguably the most over-paid player in the league.

[fluid.forty.one]

getting rid of Diop's lazy ass is a start in the right direction

[purplefrog]

I think this says it all:

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

getting rid of Diop's lazy ass is a start in the right direction

[Flacolaco]

This doesn't light my pants on fire. In fact my pants are pretty flame retardant.

But thig is right. They need to get this thing finalized before Charlotte realizes exactly what they're getting themselves into.

Of course, knowing our luck, Diop will go to Charlotte and bloom into a 2 time MVP for no good reason at all.

[ddh33]

Solid deal.

I think Carroll can really help this team. He's a good shooter, and he's better at driving than you might think.

Hollins can't be a downgrade from Diop, at this point. He's an athlete, and he's a better finisher than Diop. That should play well with Kidd's strengths.

I think more things are coming, but I thought this was a pretty solid deal, even if it isn't that significant.

[Dirkgreatness]

I was expecting Felton, so I'm kind of the disappointed. Its an ok trade though.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dirkgreatness

I was expecting Felton, so I'm kind of the disappointed. Its an ok trade though.

Were you...really? With this FO...

[Quetzalcoatl]

Originally Posted by Dirkgreatness

I was expecting Felton, so I'm kind of the disappointed.

I am disappointed too. The Bobcats were very very interested in Diop. I think we could have get something better.

[Sportstudi]

We didn't get Felton (that's a pity), but we got rid of Diop's fatty contract. This alone should be a reason to celebrate

[catsil]

Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl

I am disappointed too. The Bobcats were very very interested in Diop. I think we could have get something better.

I had the feeling if Mavs held on longer to Diop to get a better deal, the Bobcats would wisen up and any deal would have been off

[dude1394]

Art Garcia Analysis on the trade.

Analysis: Mavs-Bobcats trade no blockbuster, but needed

By Art Garcia, NBA.com
Posted Jan 18 2009 1:58PM

DALLAS -- The rest of the league likely yawned Friday when news broke of an impending trade between the Mavericks and Bobcats.

(Does it count as "breaking news" if the combined scoring average of the three principals in the deal doesn't reach 10? A hangnail from LeBron James has a longer news cycle.)

Still, the deal resonates in Big D somewhat because a fan base that's become largely apathetic and a team that's has taken the stripes of an also-ran needed a jolt. Something needed to be done to get the Mavs turned around.

"I'm a human, so of course you respond and react to your next-door neighbor or your family or fans," general manger Donnie Nelson said from his office Saturday night. "This is our community, so those things are important.

"But at the end of the day, what we do in this little cubbyhole is protect the franchise ... sometimes from outward forces and sometimes from forces within the locker room."

Don't expect this to be that deal. Dallas shipped sparsely-used center DeSagana Diop to Charlotte in exchange for a pair of benchwarmers in Matt Carroll and Ryan Hollins. The Mavs need more scoring/shooting in the backcourt, so in theory, Carroll fills a need.

Opponents have been keying on Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Terry all season, and though both are having stellar campaigns, the lack of a consistent third scorer has been definite sore spot in a disappointing first half. The Mavs (23-17) are ninth in the Western Conference, even after snapping a four-game skid with a 115-108 win over Utah.

"We're not where we want to be record-wise or performance-wise," Nelson said. "You're always looking to make upgrades. You're always looking to tweak or improve."

Carroll joins coach Rick Carlisle's revolving door at shooting guard where Antoine Wright, Gerald Green, Jerry Stackhouse and Devean George have been given a look-see. None has stuck. Terry is going to get the most of those minutes alongside point guard Jason Kidd, but someone else needs to be a factor there.

Enter 28-year-old Carroll, a career 40-percent shooter from beyond the arc who's at 27 percent this season. He's also scoring 4.1 points per game, less than half his career average. Carroll's decline in production was a concern within the Mavs front office, but they also realize that Bobcats coach Larry Brown runs hot and cold with players.

Carroll had been in deep freeze.

"We've basically floated the 2-position," Nelson said. "We've had over the course of the year five or six guys get time there. Whether [Carroll is] one of three or one of five remains to be seen."

Outside of making financial sense -- this deal does save considerable cash ($13 million) for the Mavs going forward, which can't be overlooked in these economic times -- there is basketball value, even if the trade is seen as an attempt to resurrect the failed three-team transaction that would have landed Dallas a young and athletic point guard.

With Kidd's contract over after the season, Charlotte's Raymond Felton would have been a capable replacement. Instead, this version of the trade dumps the unhappy Diop, which has its plusses. Back for his second tour with Dallas after signing a $32-million contract last summer, Diop expected to compete with Erick Dampier for the starting center job.

That never materialized for Diop as Dampier has been "good," according to Carlisle. (Dampier's numbers are 7.5 rebounds and 5.6 points entering Saturday.) Diop wanted out and Charlotte did pursue the Senegal native during the offseason before he returned to Texas. Dallas is now off the hook on a sizable contract for a bit player.

"The minutes aren't there for Gana," Nelson said. "We've taken, in essence, what's been an insurance policy at the backup center and transferred that into more of the need. We do need another shooter.

"So this deal addresses more of a need for our team and it certainly doesn't preclude us from making other adjustments or upgrades."

Nelson, Carlisle and owner Mark Cuban aren't done shopping. A top-flight swingman, a low-post scorer and someone with the ability to create shots for others remain on the wish list before the Feb. 19 trade deadline. Then again, a deal may not get done.

It can easily be argued that if the Mavs stand pat, it would take quite a leap of faith to consider Cuban's crew contenders. There's been little to suggest through 40 games that the Mavs can win the West.

Nelson disagrees. Josh Howard's return to health and someone, anyone stepping up at shooting guard could be enough, Nelson said.

"If we're healthy," he continued. "It's been really frustrating because I don't think we've been at full strength all year. If all the pieces are there and everyone is playing to their capabilities, we have a lot of confidence with this group."

He even said it without a yawn.

[fluid.forty.one]

before this trade was announced, someone at db.com posted that a source he has texted him that a trade went down today.

the same person also said this is not the only move the mavs are going to make.

[monty55555]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

before this trade was announced, someone at db.com posted that a source he has texted him that a trade went down today.

the same person also said this is not the only move the mavs are going to make.

I saw that. I believe that he made that thread (about this trade) literally a few minutes before the news came out in ESPN. He seems to know someone inside the organization. I only hope that he is also correct regarding the other moves the Mavs will make in the near future.

[monty55555]

I am hoping that the athleticism of Hollins will compliment Kidd in the open court. Carroll hasn't been playing well this season but he has been a fairly reliable shooter in the past.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by monty55555

I saw that. I believe that he made that thread (about this trade) literally a few minutes before the news came out in ESPN. He seems to know someone inside the organization. I only hope that he is also correct regarding the other moves the Mavs will make in the near future.

Originally Posted by jthig32

I'm intrigued by all these claims that the Mavs are clearly not done. I mean that's common sense, but people have been adament that somethign else is up.

I have a feeling that something will happen, and that it'll be a pretty significant move. Based on what we've got left, I'd say:

Josh with/without Bass is getting dealt
or
Kidd is getting dealt

I'd say it's 80-20 in favor of Josh getting dealt.

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It just goes along the lines of that Stein note a few weeks ago that you mentioned jthig. They're pushing hard to make some deals and they realize this isn't going to work, as constructed.

[monty55555]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I have a feeling that something will happen, and that it'll be a pretty significant move. Based on what we've got left, I'd say:

Josh with/without Bass is getting dealt
or
Kidd is getting dealt

I'd say it's 80-20 in favor of Josh getting dealt.

I also am hoping that its a significant trade, not a lateral move. I'm thinking a combination of either Josh, Stack or Bass for a quality SG or a low post threat. Maybe Kidd too, but I think they will try to do the Josh deal first if they can.

Whatever it is, I hope it happens soon so that the new player/s will be brought/introduced to the Mavs' system sooner rather than later.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I have a feeling that something will happen, and that it'll be a pretty significant move. Based on what we've got left, I'd say:

Josh with/without Bass is getting dealt
or
Kidd is getting dealt

I'd say it's 80-20 in favor of Josh getting dealt.

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It just goes along the lines of that Stein note a few weeks ago that you mentioned jthig. They're pushing hard to make some deals and they realize this isn't going to work, as constructed.

God I hope it's both Josh and Kidd getting dealt. Depends on if we think we can get more for Kidd in the summer. Maybe packaged w/ our 1st.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Eh, Felton was too good to be true. Not even MJ is that dumb.

Another trade is almost definitely coming imo so, we'll see.

[purplefrog]

I am hoping that Carroll and Hollins raise the basketball IQ for the Mavs. Sometimes I think the raw stupidity of some players (think JHo, Stack) is one of the Mavs most significant limiting factors.

[ty]

Hollins

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by ty

Hollins

Diop couldn't do that.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Diop couldn't do that.

Nope...he'd be afraid of hurting the rim.

[Rick41]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsdYoap5FYM


Looks pretty decent, he has his moments.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Rick41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsdYoap5FYM


Looks pretty decent, he has his moments.

He can score in the paint, that's for sure...

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by Underdog

He can score in the paint, that's for sure...

He can basically do anything Diop didn't here.

I think MC can get some burn at the 3 as well.

Both players bring more production combined than Diop so, thats a +++++++++++.

[Bookit]

Originally Posted by Rick41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsdYoap5FYM


Looks pretty decent, he has his moments.

It looks like he has the coodination of Calvin Boothe.