This could start WWIII.....

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Israelis being killed???????? Comeee on look at Palestine and what Israel is doin there. How many Israelis have been killed and how many Palestinians.

Is israel having missiles lobbed into their cities from locations within the palestinian population?

[AxdemxO]

OK so Us destroy its hundreds/thousands w/e nukes. Israel destroys its, and so on and then i would completly agree that Iran should be stopped from having a nuke..until then i think otherwise

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by AxdemxO

OK so Us destroy its hundreds/thousands w/e nukes. Israel destroys its, and so on and then i would completly agree that Iran should be stopped from having a nuke..until then i think otherwise

Right...go unlock your door.

[AxdemxO]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Is israel having missiles lobbed into their cities from locations within the palestinian population?

Yes..after Israel continues destroying homes and having raids that kill Palestinians. Idk if you remember a lil while bak there was a cease fire and it was quite. Then Israel launched rockets "targeting a Hi level hamas leader" the rockets hit a beach and killed a cup of kids and a few family members..thn Hamas retaliated and it started back up

[AxdemxO]

Israel keeps apologizing for kiling Palestinian civilian and saying it was an accident every time..just like a few weeks ago..and you cant just apologize for taking thousands of lives

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Yes..after Israel continues destroying homes and having raids that kill Palestinians. Idk if you remember a lil while bak there was a cease fire and it was quite. Then Israel launched rockets "targeting a Hi level hamas leader" the rockets hit a beach and killed a cup of kids and a few family members..thn Hamas retaliated and it started back up

The answer is yes and it's not AFTER israel having raids that kill palestinians. If missiles are going to be lobbed into israeli cities from palestinian locations then palestinians are going to die when israel retaliates.

If palestinians continue to send suicide bombers into israeli pizzerias to blow up women and children then palestinian terrorist leaders will continue to be targeted by israel.

As long as those things continue, palestinians will continue to die as israel retaliates against attacks on their country and their civilians. Attacks which TARGET civilians by the way.

[AxdemxO]

Well the short answer to that would be the following..They should have given the Jews a part of Germany instead of the middle east..thn there wouldnt be this many problems in the world. Cuz the way remember Germany was the one that killed the Jews during the Holocaust not the middle eastern countries

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Israel keeps apologizing for kiling Palestinian civilian and saying it was an accident every time..just like a few weeks ago..and you cant just apologize for taking thousands of lives

Do the palestininians continue to apologise for walking into pizzerias and blowing women and childrens bodies apart? Or do palestinians apologize for targeting missiles with shrapnel into israeli cities so they can kill as many civilians as possible?

Haven't heard many. Mostly just that they will keep doing it until all israelis are dead.

[AxdemxO]

isreal has nuclear weapons and other advanced weapons....Palestine doesnt even have a army..and their weapons are inferior.hmm wonder why?? maybe cuz the US gives Israel weapons..idk..point is Israel is much stronger the only way Palestine can defend its self is to use smart bombs in the form of suicide bomber. Wether its rite or not..idk

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Well the short answer to that would be the following..They should have given the Jews a part of Germany instead of the middle east..thn there wouldnt be this many problems in the world. Cuz the way remember Germany was the one that killed the Jews during the Holocaust not the middle eastern countries

60+ years ago. And guess what the islamic caliphate is gone too, the islamists are still fighting that one as well, it's always someone elses fault. The islamic countries sit on top of the greatest natural resources in the world and they can't make a cellphone. It's one of the greatest failures in modern mankind. I think it's just envy that the israelis took nothing and prospered imo that makes the middle east hate them so.

[AxdemxO]

well i am out but ill say this... they all fall sooner or later, just look at history..ex: Roman empire, Soviet Union, Some of the great Islamic empires....so its coming....and with all the weapons, it wont be pretty

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by AxdemxO

isreal has nuclear weapons and other advanced weapons....Palestine doesnt even have a army..and their weapons are inferior.hmm wonder why?? maybe cuz the US gives Israel weapons..idk..point is Israel is much stronger the only way Palestine can defend its self is to use smart bombs in the form of suicide bomber. Wether its rite or not..idk

Mostly because they can't build them themselves for one reason. The other is because they are so buzy trying to kill israelis that they won't get down to work on their own country.

What are they "defending" themselves from? If they would quit killing every jew they can find, they could join and have quite a prosperous country. But they are so caught up in their "creed" that they would rather continue to wallow in self-pity instead of make peace.

But if you are saying that it's okay to strap bombs onto your children and have them blow up pizzerias and busses full of civilians what the heck are you bitching about when palestininians are killed via collateral damage?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by AxdemxO

well i am out but ill say this... they all fall sooner or later, just look at history..ex: Roman empire, Soviet Union, Some of the great Islamic empires....so its coming....and with all the weapons, it wont be pretty

A little different imo. Those empires were built and sustained through aggressive land acquisition. The US in general is an empire because it's the tremendous beacon of freedom for talented individuals the world over. It's quite different. If we decided to not be an "empire" tommorrow where would we withdraw from? We hold no land against anyones will.

[rabbitproof]

I get what you are saying and see it as a touchy situation, like yourself. Like much in this world, there are no black and white options but some gray ones.

For me, the precedent and possible future ramifications of it are unspeakable and potentially immeasurable. If China doesn't like the way Korea sits, will it let its fireworkers go? If India and Pakistan feel one is too many of a border patrol guy to be picked off or go missing? If for some reason, we see a steady string of terrorists based out of Paris that always make it to the UK? Does France become a threat?

A nuclear strike should be the ultimate last option - one whose threat should be greater then its force. A nuclear threat should be able to preserve your life while the actual use of the nuke might end the world - though not immediately.

I'm not sure if the Israeli feel like they are in preserve mode but to me, firing a nuclear bomb is not an option - it ought to be the result of having no options.

[dude1394]

I think your examples aren't getting really close to the type of danger israel would be in if iran gets a nuke.

I do understand the slippery slop argument and I'm sure israel isn't itching to do this either, there would be tons of negative ramifications.

The problem I see is that a lunatic Iran with a nuke and openly threatening to use it doesn't leave israel much of a choice. Except wishful thinking.

Iran has the delivery system to deliver it. Either directly via missile or they could do a denial strategy by letting someone in Hamas do it.

[rabbitproof]

Firstly, it is still all bravado. The ramifications of Iran nuking Isreal would be too great to Iran to really go through with it. It would be erased from the Earth.

Secondly, nuking is just not a solution. If anything, if you hear your neighbor is ready to fire nukes at you, do you bend over or do you grab what weapons you have to get ready for a stand-off?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Firstly, it is still all bravado. The ramifications of Iran nuking Isreal would be too great to Iran to really go through with it. It would be erased from the Earth.

Why would this happen? Because of Israel I'm assuming you are stating. You couldn't trust anyone else to do it.

[rabbitproof]

I meant bravado from Iran's end.