Offseason 2010 Thread

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

NY had a full year to exhibit Gallinari....but he didn't do much. And of course their best player is already packed and ready to go. Outside of the cash, can't see why anyone would serioulsy consider NY. You're looking at Rudy Gay, the max players playing on non tax teams.

I think Gallinari is going to be a fine player, maybe even as soon as next year.

[FINtastic]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I think Gallinari is going to be a fine player, maybe even as soon as next year.

Gallinari is a fine player if you mean a decent player that is good at his role. But I can guarantee you that Lebron isn't going to be more excited about playing with Gallinari than Derrick Rose (which is what Sheridan is trying to argue). He's certainly a really good shooter (Dan Tony's comment was a hyperbole though), but that's pretty much the extent of what he can do right now.

[BGMaverick9]

The money and the new home would be the major selling points if you're outside of Wade/LeBron status for going to NY...it's definitely not the players.

[greensborohill]

Wade's got Dallas on his list of 3 teams he'll visit with (other than Miami).

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by greensborohill

Wade's got Dallas on his list of 3 teams he'll visit with (other than Miami).

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/m...,0,12817.story

[sike]

Originally Posted by greensborohill

Wade's got Dallas on his list of 3 teams he'll visit with (other than Miami).

screw us...yet another star using us as leverage.

[grndmstr_c]

Random thought/question. Assuming (perhaps unjustifiably depending upon the circumstances of his personal life) that Tim Thomas were willing, he's a potential salary-matching S&T asset, yes? Up to 120% of his salary last season if I understand correctly? Or is there a restriction on the use of non-qualifying veteran FAs in S&Ts?

[StackAttack]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Random thought/question. Assuming (perhaps unjustifiably depending upon the circumstances of his personal life) that Tim Thomas were willing, he's a potential salary-matching S&T asset, yes? Up to 120% of his salary last season if I understand correctly? Or is there a restriction on the use of non-qualifying veteran FAs in S&Ts?

Interesting, surprised no one came up with that. What were the specifications behind the Keith Van Horn contract we used in the Kidd trade?

[grndmstr_c]

I think we had Bird Rights on KVH, so his situation would have been different. Or at least much more flexible. Still, even the ability to match an extra couple million in incoming salary with a 1-year contract outgoing could prove helpful.

[Thomas86]

I hope the Mavs resign Haywood...in order to match up with the Lakers the Mavs are gonna need his size.

[BGMaverick9]

Can someone explain to me the true delay of the free agency days of operation?
You can start talking on July 1st, but you can't sign until the 8th. I know it's because the new salary cap numbers don't pop up until then but why does the time period have to be so long in-between? That time period gives a free agent so much time to second-guess a decision they make.

Who made the decision to make it a week?

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Can someone explain to me the true delay of the free agency days of operation?
You can start talking on July 1st, but you can't sign until the 8th. I know it's because the new salary cap numbers don't pop up until then but why does the time period have to be so long in-between? That time period gives a free agent so much time to second-guess a decision they make.

Who made the decision to make it a week?

If memory serves it's at least partly a consequence of the fact that it takes a little while to get all the accounting completed so that they know, for example, what the cap will be set at and just how much the MLE will be.

[quietsavant]

LeBron James: Are the Dallas Mavericks the Best for the King?
Alex McVeigh by
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Written on June 28, 2010
DALLAS - NOVEMBER 03: Forward LeBron James #23 of the Cleveland Cavaliers during play against the Dallas Mavericks on November 3, 2008 at American Airlines Center in Dallas, Texas. NOTE TO USER: User expressly acknowledges and agrees that, by downloading and/or using this Photograph, user is consenting to the terms and conditions of the Getty Images License Agreement. (Photo by Ronald Martinez/Getty Images) Ronald Martinez/Getty Images

By now we've all heard the latest twist in the LeBron James saga.

Last week it was that LeBron wanted to go wherever Chris Paul ended up, assuming he could orchestrate a trade out of New Orleans. This week, it's that LeBron James and Chris Bosh to the Bulls is a "done deal" according to the New York Times, which quoted an anonymous league executive.

While it's not beyond the realm of possibility that LeBron knows where he's going—and Chicago is a popular choice, if that is the case—the Bulls aren't the only ones who have a shot.

The Dallas Mavericks, a team that has been called a "dark, dark horse" by one of Marc Stein's sources, still have a pretty big hand to play for LeBron.



Talent, talent, everywhere

From a basketball point of view, the Bulls are probably the best choice. After all, Derrick Rose is going to be the next Isaiah Thomas and Joakim Noah is Bill Russell with a ponytail.

At least that's what we've been led to believe.

But the Mavericks aren't slouches in the talent department either. They have Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kidd, and Rodrigue Beaubois, plus an assortment of assorted swingman talent.

Sure, they don't have a superb shooting guard (though draft pick Dominique Jones could provide an instant upgrade at the position) or their center locked up (Erick Dampier would be shipped out to get LeBron, and Haywood is up in the air), but they've got two Hall of Famers playing at a high level. With LeBron and his skill set, every one on the team would get better.



The Sidekick

Chris Bosh would be a great weapon next to LeBron. But looking at Bosh's resume, what exactly has he done as far as team success?

He certainly hasn't advanced past the first round. He has missed the playoffs, in the Eastern Conference no less, five of his seven seasons. Even a sub-.500 team can make it to the playoffs in the East.

Sure, Bosh hasn't had the best team, but for all of his talk about how he's a player "you can build a franchise around," the Raptors have been built around him and have done jack squat.

Bosh has said he "isn't a sidekick."

Well, what would he be to LeBron? He certainly isn't better than LeBron, and LeBron won't and shouldn't be deferring to him in crunch time. What happens when those egos start to clash?

Then you have Dirk, who only cares about winning. He talks about leaving money on the table to help the Mavs, about not caring who does the scoring as long as they win. And he's backed that notion up.

Dirk and Kidd have also both been to the finals, and they've made deep playoff runs with teams that had no business making it that far.

Look at the Bulls vs. Mavericks defensively as well.

With the Bulls, LeBron would be guarding the other team's best shooter every night. With the Mavs, Shawn Marion would be there to take some of the defensive pressure off LeBron, leaving him free to create offensively.



When the smoke clears

The Bulls, assuming they get LeBron and Bosh, would have exactly seven players under contract: Rose, Noah, James, Bosh, Taj Gibson, James Johnson and Luol Deng.

That's a decent group, but there's no true shooting guard either and absolutely no depth.

Those seven players put the Bulls at about $55 million, $1 million less than the salary cap. So the Bulls would have to fill out their roster with whatever talent will play for a veteran minimum contract.

Then what happens starting in 2011-12, when Noah's rookie contract is over (and Rose's the next year)?

The Mavs would get rid of Dampier (but with a chance to get him back), but they could hold on to Haywood and still have Dirk and Kidd. Sure, they might possibly lose Beaubois or Butler, but they have Marion, Terry, and others who are already locked in as a team.

The Bulls are going to be gutted if they sign Bosh and James. The Mavs, on the other hand, have superior talent to Bosh in Dirk, plus more players that have experience playing together.



All about those greenbacks

The Mavericks, due to them being over the cap, would have to bring LeBron over in a sign and trade, which is a huge plus for them. That means Cleveland would sign LeBron to a bigger deal and then send LeBron to the Mavs.

The Cavs would get something (better than nothing, of course) like Erick Dampier (instant savings of $13 million) and maybe someone like Beaubois or Caron Butler to build for the future.

The Bulls can do a sign-and-trade, but it's much more tricky for them. They would have to send Luol Deng (who's not worth half of his salary) as well as someone like Johnson or Gibson.

But that move would give them even less players on the roster, and the same amount of cap space to fill it out with.

So the Bulls can sign LeBron straight up for four years, $96 million, or the Mavs can get him for five-years $125 million, since technically the Cavs are "re-signing" LeBron.

With the massive changes about to go down with the collective bargaining agreement, that's no small sum.



Owning it

You can debate basketball all you want, and the Bulls to have a legit claim to an on-the-court advantage when comparing these two sides (though not so much as we once thought, eh?).

But the Mavs have a clear advantage when it comes to the front office. Sometimes that's all it takes.

Does LeBron want to play for Jerry Reinsdorf, the man who was so cheap that he broke up the Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Phil Jackson combo after three straight titles, including a 72-10 season? A man who once said, "I don't care if he goes 82 and f#@king 0, Phil Jackson isn't coming back"?

Or does he want to play for Mark Cuban, famous for good player relationships and spending the cash to surround his team with talent and the very latest in player amenities?

Despite his flaws, no one can deny that Cuban will spend every dollar he has to win a title. Can the same be said for Reinsdorf?

What happens down the road, with Bosh and James winning a few rings, and people wanting raises? Will Reinsdorf blow it up? He already blew up a team with the greatest player, sidekick, and coach in NBA history.



A "dark, dark horse" ?

While the Bulls have emerged as favorites for LeBron, and with good reason, saying it's a "done deal" doesn't take into account a lot of things. A team like the Dallas Mavericks is in the position to win right now, and it has an owner and a structure that is conducive to future success as well.

LeBron may say he's going to hear pitches from Miami, the Clippers, the Bulls, the Heat, the Knicks, the Nets, and the Cavs, but can any team offer him what the Mavs have?

LeBron and the Cavs are a broken record. The Knicks and Nets are years away from being competitive. The Clippers are cursed and terribly run. In Miami, LeBron will be playing sidekick to D-Wade, and who else do the Heat have?

I've covered the Bulls above, so that leaves one other team—a team that is ready to win, and a town that would welcome LeBron.

I close with the words to a song that has been climbing the charts, "C'mon LeBron, put your Maverick jersey on... "

I assume this was written a little before the Death Summit of the competitiveness in the NBA took place.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...than-the-bulls

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

If memory serves it's at least partly a consequence of the fact that it takes a little while to get all the accounting completed so that they know, for example, what the cap will be set at and just how much the MLE will be.

I guess I wonder when do they actually start figuring out the numbers and such? If it's right at the end of the Finals and such, then ok I guess I understand...but if they just take a mini-vacation and meet up again at a later date, that's where the dead time is created.

I just don't like that week in between, and I REALLY dislike the time-frame for a team to decide whether or not they wanna make an offer for their restricted free agent.

[SMC0007]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5338472

[rabbitproof]

If the Legends of Free Agency unite in the MIA, Stern will get what he deserves.... the end of the NBA as a competitive sport.

[SMC0007]

They still couldn't beat the Lakers. Bosh would find a way to ruin it for them.

[mrjcoolness]

This is what I think about Wade ever Becoming a Maverick!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNoX_0cS7Ok

Originally Posted by Windmill360

This off season is all about making your biggest presentation for Wade, Lebron or Bosh. Anything else means bust. I'm not talking about the Joe Johnsons of the NBA because they aren't going to cut it. These guys don't show up more often than you think even if they do put up flashy numbers often. Cuban will definitely be pushing for those three and he'll probably need to focus on Wade and Bosh.

We don't need players who are going to be questionable showing up each game. We need a player that other teams need to game plan for. If this doesn't happen then Dirk should leave and we should scrounge up as much young talent as possible. Yes I understand this means suffering through another decade of failure and mediocrity but honestly, what else can you do?

[mrjcoolness]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNoX_0cS7Ok

[mrjcoolness]

The fact that Cuban or anyone else is even entertaining the idea of acquiring Wade is ridiculous. No true Maverick fan would ever want that piece of crap on our team!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNoX_0cS7Ok

[ribosoma]

Originally Posted by mrjcoolness

This is what I think about Wade ever Becoming a Maverick!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNoX_0cS7Ok

That was worse than getting Rick Roll'd. Die.

[SMC0007]

Hey have you guys seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNoX_0cS7Ok

[Male30Dan]

Anyone interested in two scoops of ice cream?

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I guess I wonder when do they actually start figuring out the numbers and such? If it's right at the end of the Finals and such, then ok I guess I understand...but if they just take a mini-vacation and meet up again at a later date, that's where the dead time is created.

I just don't like that week in between, and I REALLY dislike the time-frame for a team to decide whether or not they wanna make an offer for their restricted free agent.

The NBA fiscal year runs from July 1-June 30. This is for IRS reportiing and audit purposes for use in obtaining loans, new ownerships, and most importantly CBA negotiations. I'm sure these guys sit around the clock auditing the numbers the computers spit out come close of business on June 30. There were some years where they ran into problems and had to delay the signings back to as far as the 15th of July. I'm sure they take a mini vacation either between the end of the finals and draft day and or draft day and the 30th of June....there really isn't much you can do until all the final figures are accounted for. I mean the NBA Store in NY or online is not going to close down for 2 weeks. They have to market the draft and Finals apparel and memorabilia.

I don't recall any player reneging on a verbal commitment. Then again, players/agents are smart enough not to allow emotion to determine a verbal commit, especially if they have several team meetings. That's just not the smart way to do business. Several years ago, Antonio McDyess was reportedly locked away at the Pepsi Center with Nugget brass, Suns, Kidd, Chapman were in a limo just outside the Pepsi Center and were not allowed inside. McDyess signed the max contract, but was not sure of it. Does this happen all the time, no, the Nuggets just took advantage of an unknowing McDyess. I think everything's just so out in the open right now, you have the players side and the team's side. For the team to force an answer these days, would have severe repercussions when other agent's deal with that team. You develop a certain reputation and it spreads like wildfire, team's are very careful in coercing verbal commits.

[grndmstr_c]

Boozer reneged on a verbal commitment with the Cavs to take a better offer from Utah.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Boozer reneged on a verbal commitment with the Cavs to take a better offer from Utah.

Yep. And Cleveland didn't pick up a very cheap option they had for him that season because of his agreement to sign a long term contract with them.

[FINtastic]

Isn't that a little different from the situation Kidd Karma was asking about? I think he was talking about a situation where a free agent decided to actually sign with a team and then got cold feet after thinking about it for a while.

I could be wrong here, but I don't get the feeling that Boozer ever intended to honor his verbal commitment in the first place. I always had the impression that he only gave that verbal commitment so that he could get out of his contract and test the market.

[RareMilk]

Q Ross reunited with Kris Hump. They (Wiz) traded Ross for Yi JianLian (Nets). Not breakings news, but if the Wizards can somehow unload Arenas, I think they might be able to make a quick turn around to compete in the east.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by RareMilk

Q Ross reunited with Kris Hump. They (Wiz) traded Ross for Yi JianLian (Nets). Not breakings news, but if the Wizards can somehow unload Arenas, I think they might be able to make a quick turn around to compete in the east.

People said they were going to compete in the east last year...

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Oh Yeah: Who Will End Up As The 2 Mavs Centers?
We Spit-Ball Our Way Through Names -- Before We Get To Al Jefferson
By Mike Fisher -- DB.com

It is the second-most-asked Mavs personnel question we are getting at DallasBasketball.com HQ: Who is going to be signed to play center next year?

Well, maybe Brendan Haywood, Erick Dampier, Shaquille O’Neal, Brad Miller, Chris Kaman, Marcin Gortat, Drew Gooden, Ian Ma…. Or Matt Bonner?

Or … Al Jefferson?

For now, let’s do a quickie review of some of these big fellas … and a bit later, something more in-depth on the most clearly available of them all, Minnesota’s Al Jefferson:

Our usual disclaimer on pieces such as this: Some of what is below is educated guessing, some is spit-ballin' and some comes straight from Mavs brains. All of it is, though, at this early stage, worthy of your attention as food for thought:

*Brendan Haywood: Dallas can match any offer he gets. Will some team with cap room, disappointed at not signing LeBron, overspend for an erratic but talented center? If not, and he can be had at a reasonable price (maybe three years at $8 mil per?), Big Wood can stay. But he might want to create for himself a more team-minded locker-room presence.

*Erick Dampier: DUST Chip him out of here … let him get cut elsewhere … and invite him to boomerang back. It’s a sound plan, with one flaw: We hear Damp wants to be courted a little bit, that he’s bothered by the assumption that he’ll happily boomerang without any bidding.

*Shaquille O’Neal: The $20 mil days are over. Is it MLE time? Vet’s minimum time? Time to give up on the idea that the Dallas-loving Shaq is truly ready to become less of a player and more of a figurehead?

*Marcin Gortat: Last year’s Mavs crush, retained by the Magic … and then unused for the year. With Orlando’s drafting of Orton, and the commitment they make to Dwight, do they really need Marcin?

(A big P.S. here: Our resident capologist, David Lord, is down in the laboratory working on an Amateur GM piece on taking a second stab at Gortat via a three-way trade. Stay tuned.)

*Brad Miller: Even after all these years, still a Mavs fave.

*Chris Kaman: Will there come a time in Donald T. Sterling’s summer when, faced with the fact that nobody wants him as their boss, he throws up his hands and becomes a seller?

*Drew Gooden: After watching him do a solid job at center in a forward’s body, he’s looking pretty good right now, eh?

*Ian Mahinmi: The Spurs project becoming the Mavs’ project? He’s 23, he’s 6-11 and he’s French.

*Matt Bonner: Another Spur, and his people are convinced the Mavs will eventually call. Not a bad guy to sit in Tim Thomas’ old seat, but not exactly what we’re looking for here.

Mavs GM Donnie Nelson tells us that he isn’t much interested in project centers.

“We want two veterans who we can go through the playoff wars with,’’ he says.

Some of the above fit that profile. Some do not. There are others names we haven’t processed yet.

Does Al Jefferson fit and deserved to be processed? That’s coming up in a bit …

lol at the bold.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Boozer reneged on a verbal commitment with the Cavs to take a better offer from Utah.

That's one out of how many FA's? It's a rare occasion.

In addition, I believe this was an illegal agreement to start with. Boozer was on a 3 year contract with a team option for the 3rd at like 600,000. He put up big numbers and was in line for a hefty pay day....more than what the Cavs can legally offer, because they were over the cap. Boozer agreed to a Cavs' offer, if the Cavs opted out on that 3rd year. Teams gave him huge deals, and he got greedy. I don't think he had a change of heart, he did not realize his value on the open market. This was a money issue. Now if ATL came in and offered JJ that same 4 year 60 million they offered last year, JJ agrees, but continues to take phone calls and meet with teams, would that be a problem if you were ATL? Yes. ATL tells his agent they're pulling the offer because he's still meeting with teams and taking offers. It can get a little murky, but I think it falls on the players, their agent's and representation. For certain players, the money will be there regardless, so if you're lebron, DWade or Bosh, you don't need to commit until you've met with everyone. Come July 1, Lebron can say I will sign with Cleveland, will that end all pursuit?

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by FINtastic

Isn't that a little different from the situation Kidd Karma was asking about? I think he was talking about a situation where a free agent decided to actually sign with a team and then got cold feet after thinking about it for a while.

I could be wrong here, but I don't get the feeling that Boozer ever intended to honor his verbal commitment in the first place. I always had the impression that he only gave that verbal commitment so that he could get out of his contract and test the market.

Haha, I gave Boozer the benefit of the doubt, he might have known his true intentions prior.....if I remember correctly, Gund did disparage Boozer about his word.....even if it would cost the Cavs for having an illegal agreement in place.

[RareMilk]

Originally Posted by tcat075

People said they were going to compete in the east last year...

Sub .500 teams in the east can compete for playoff positioning so I'm feeling the Wizard's FO is looking for a way to rid of Arenas and have Wall be the starting PG. The East will be considerably easier because Wade, and Lebron will be in the tough Western Conference playing for the Mavs!

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by tcat075

People said they were going to compete in the east last year...

We lucked out by getting a pair of nice players/trade chips.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

lol at the bold.

Good article. We really have a lot of options to fill the center spot should we lose Haywood. Ideally I wouldn't mind seeing both Haywood and Gortat here next season.

Also, this source is reporting Gortat is on the trading block.

http://www.clickorlando.com/magic/24076330/detail.html

Magic May Sign Free Agent Center
Dwight Howard Could Have New Backup


Local 6 Sports Director David Pingalore learned Monday night that the Magic are seriously considering signing Chicago Bulls free agent center Brad Miller.

The Magic can't sign a free agent until the NBA free agency period starts July 1.

The reason for such a move: the Magic are shopping the services of Marcin Gortat, the backup center to Dwight Howard who signed a $34 million deal last year.

Pingalore is also being told that Gortat is on the trading block with Vince Carter. Where they might end up is still unknown.

Pingalore's sources said that Washington could be a destination point as the Magic are trying to work a trade for guard Gilbert Arenas. Pingalore was also told that if Dwight Howard is OK with Arenas playing in Orlando, the trade will go through.

It seems the Magic have given up on getting Chris Paul from New Orleans because the Hornets' front office is not responding to the trade proposal from the Magic.

Continue to follow this story on ClickOrlando.com and Local 6 at 6 p.m. and 11 p.m.


Copyright 2010 by Internet Broadcasting Systems and ClickOrlando.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Good article. We really have a lot of options to fill the center spot should we lose Haywood. Ideally I wouldn't mind seeing both Haywood and Gortat here next season.

Also, this source is reporting Gortat is on the trading block.

http://www.clickorlando.com/magic/24076330/detail.html

Still a big fan of Gortat's upside...
Orton, Bass, Miller...sheesh

[Dirkenstien]

There is no way of telling how our roster will shape out, but if I had to guess on who will be a center for Dallas when the season starts I would say Haywood and Shaq with Haywood / Damp being a close second.

I don't see any teams significantly outbidding what we would pay to retain Haywood, and Shaq in Dallas is long overdue. You have two different looks and some versatility with that combination as well.

[FINtastic]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Still a big fan of Gortat's upside...
Orton, Bass, Miller...sheesh

Me too, I would love to somehow get Gortat for real this offseason.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

There is no way of telling how our roster will shape out, but if I had to guess on who will be a center for Dallas when the season starts I would say Haywood and Shaq with Haywood / Damp being a close second.

I don't see any teams significantly outbidding what we would pay to retain Haywood, and Shaq in Dallas is long overdue. You have two different looks and some versatility with that combination as well.

Apparently the difference in price-tags might prove to be costly. DB.com suggested if its in the 8 million/year range, the price is probably right. If you get into the 10 million or more range, then see ya later. I probably have to agree with that statement.
Teams that could be in the market for 'Wood? OKC, New York, Atlanta, Miami
So there is a market for him. OKC has been in the discussion for a while and makes a lot of sense.

If he can stay, and the price is right, I'm all for it. If not then...

Originally Posted by FINtastic

Me too, I would love to somehow get Gortat for real this offseason.

yup yup. He doesn't appear the have the attitude problems Haywood might have, so less of a headache there. Gortat clearly wanted to come to Dallas, thrilled at the prospect of coming here last summer. Gortat and Shaq could easily be just as diverse as Haywood/Shaq and potentially cheaper. I'm really interested to see what the guys at db.com have in store, they teased an Amateur GM piece for a 3-team trade to obtain Gortat.

check this out for a D-Wade/Mavs piece I wrote:
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Still a big fan of Gortat's upside...
Orton, Bass, Miller...sheesh

My current biggest fear re: Dallas ability to get Gortat (if they still want him) is that Orlando does something retarded like trading for Arenas (in light of rumors that have the Magic exploring that possibility). I can't believe any team in the NBA would take on Gilbert's contract unless they were forced to do so at gunpoint (cue nervous laughter), but really I don't know if there's a GM in the league who has a richer recent history than Otis of earmarking overly large chunks of his team's budget for players who operate at something less than an all-star level, so you never know.

Of course, even if Orlando is angling for a deal with Washington, there's always the possibility that the Mavs could get in on it by offering the Wizards something they'd see as having more value than Gortat. I guess we'll see what happens with that. Also looking forward to the db.com three-way discussion they teased. Based on other comments I'd seen D.Lord make I'm thinking it'll involve Hedo.