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Budapest Maverick · 12-01-2016, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

Aldridge doesn't impress me.

Imo, he is one of the most overrated players in the league. We did not strike me as a really bad team last night, if Matthews keeps this up, and they put in full effort, there is no way we will be a top 3 worst team. Would be a crying shame, to be honest with you. Unless you see Anderson and Powell as championship level pieces (LOL).

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-01-2016, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

need video of highlightsss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlql7cFcgUY

Doesn't look super comfortable dribbling with his left hand. Looks good otherwise.

hayth.james.g · 12-01-2016, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Wes is playing himself into being tradable!

"Mavs SG Wesley Matthews after a tough loss to the Spurs: "I'm proud of this team. Frustration aside, a loss aside, this is two games now [against the Spurs] that we truly feel, at least I truly feel, should have been ours against a championship team. This fight that we're showing, this is who we were supposed to be all along. Unfortunate injuries here and there, all over the place, it seems like, I think we struggled with an identity. This is who we're supposed to be. This is who we were meant to be. We're fighting every possession. It's fun playing basketball like that." (Tim MacMahon)

If he keeps playing like this would it not be in line with what they are looking for up in Minnesota for Wiggins? Or am I just dreaming crazy thoughts again.

Bryan_Wilson · 12-01-2016, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Or am I just dreaming crazy thoughts again.

Underdog · 12-01-2016, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

If he keeps playing like this would it not be in line with what they are looking for up in Minnesota for Wiggins? Or am I just dreaming crazy thoughts again.

That would be fantastic... But, not trading him is alright too if he keeps playing at this level.

I've got no problem with Wes if he's playing up to his contract. Dude has the right attitude and solid defense, just needs to keep hitting his shot.

Melonhead · 12-01-2016, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

That would be fantastic... But, not trading him is alright too if he keeps playing at this level.

I've got no problem with Wes if he's playing up to his contract. Dude has the right attitude and solid defense, just needs to keep hitting his shot.

Yeah if he keeps playing like this, I dont want him to leave. Hes sticking it out on a horrible team who wont make the playoffs. When the mavs are good again, he has every right to be here. He is a leader flat out.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-01-2016, 11:29 AM

Well we have to have a minimum salary per CBA rules, so if Wes's contract fits without hurting cap space or developing youth, then I'm fine with him staying. Right now, team has no choice but to rely on his production.

Budapest Maverick · 12-01-2016, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

If he keeps playing like this would it not be in line with what they are looking for up in Minnesota for Wiggins? Or am I just dreaming crazy thoughts again.

LMAO, you cannot be serious.

turin · 12-01-2016, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Yeah if he keeps playing like this, I dont want him to leave. Hes sticking it out on a horrible team who wont make the playoffs. When the mavs are good again, he has every right to be here. He is a leader flat out.

I hate to break it to you, but these last two games are the only two good games he's had all season. Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for Wes to succeed, but he's been so bad for so long that a couple of games isn't going to do it for me. I need to see at least a solid half-season of basketball from him. If that happens this year, then great. It would be a nice problem to have if the MBT had to decide between keeping a productive Wes or trading him for a protected top 12 first.

Thebo · 12-01-2016, 02:26 PM

Only problem with Matthews is that he gets to handle the ball. From my eye test, when he is only doing catch-and-shoot, his offensive production is okay or even great. When he tries to create something, it usually tends to end as missing shot. I do not even like his side stepping and step-back shots, only direct catch-and-shoot is something I am comfortable with. I do not know why he gets to handle the ball so much even when Barnes is on the floor with him.

EricaLubarsky · 12-01-2016, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Thebo

Only problem with Matthews is that he gets to handle the ball. From my eye test, when he is only doing catch-and-shoot, his offensive production is okay or even great. When he tries to create something, it usually tends to end as missing shot. I do not even like his side stepping and step-back shots, only direct catch-and-shoot is something I am comfortable with. I do not know why he gets to handle the ball so much even when Barnes is on the floor with him.

He's decent in a short post-up, but I agree-- he may be the worst dribbling 2/3 that we've ever had-- even beating out Finley which is why I think he's a great 3rd/4th scorer if he's a 3/D guy, but can't be our first or second option. I think he'd be phenomenal next to Fultz, though. He's been shooting 48% from three and he hasn't even been getting many open shots. His shooting percentage when assisted is off the charts. He's just been forced to create his own shot and he's terrible at making his own offense.

Bryan_Wilson · 12-01-2016, 06:18 PM

Time to derail this thread even further.

Player A: Age- 2 months till 22 22.7pts 4.1rebs 2.3ast 42.6fg% 41.4%3pt 76.2%ft 47%eFG .528TS% 15.6PER 0.8WS's on a 5 win team

Player B: Age- 5 months till 25 20.5pts 5.6rebs 1.2ast 46.4fg% 29.4%3pt 87.1%ft 48.8%eFG .530TS% 16.6PER 1.0WS's on a 3 win team

Player A- Is having a career year from 3. He's in his 3rd year as primary or secondary option. He has several other young players around him. He has in particular one of the best young players in the NBA playing next to him who has a 24.0 PER. Most fans would say trade a 1st for him, that he's a franchise player. His name is Andrew Wiggins.

Player B- Is playing his first year in this new role. Is the primary option on a terrible team full of ottery loving fans. His best co-star currently healthy is an abysmal 10.6PER SG who only recently started hitting shots. Most fans say he's maybe a 2nd option at best, most say he's not helping his team win. His name is The Black Falcon, Harrison Barnes.

tap2390 · 12-01-2016, 06:25 PM

I actually really like Wes as a person and think him + a solid point + HB would be a great 1-3. My problem is his age. If we're being honest, we're not going to be competitive for at least (attt leeeeeast) 2-3 years. I would rather spend that time developing some young talent, but I definitely understand all the chemistry and intangibles that Wes brings.

P.S. great point about how we view talent Bryan

Underdog · 12-02-2016, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

That would be fantastic... But, not trading him is alright too if he keeps playing at this level.

I've got no problem with Wes if he's playing up to his contract. Dude has the right attitude and solid defense, just needs to keep hitting his shot.

Jinx.

Underdog · 12-02-2016, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Time to derail this thread even further.

Player A: Age- 2 months till 22 22.7pts 4.1rebs 2.3ast 42.6fg% 41.4%3pt 76.2%ft 47%eFG .528TS% 15.6PER 0.8WS's on a 5 win team

Player B: Age- 5 months till 25 20.5pts 5.6rebs 1.2ast 46.4fg% 29.4%3pt 87.1%ft 48.8%eFG .530TS% 16.6PER 1.0WS's on a 3 win team

Player A- Is having a career year from 3. He's in his 3rd year as primary or secondary option. He has several other young players around him. He has in particular one of the best young players in the NBA playing next to him who has a 24.0 PER. Most fans would say trade a 1st for him, that he's a franchise player. His name is Andrew Wiggins.

Player B- Is playing his first year in this new role. Is the primary option on a terrible team full of ottery loving fans. His best co-star currently healthy is an abysmal 10.6PER SG who only recently started hitting shots. Most fans say he's maybe a 2nd option at best, most say he's not helping his team win. His name is The Black Falcon, Harrison Barnes.

Thebo · 12-02-2016, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Most fans say he's maybe a 2nd option at best, most say he's not helping his team win. His name is The Black Falcon, Harrison Barnes.

Who is this 'most' that say MAX Barnes is not helping his team to win? I have seen that he is not considered as the man or (super)star but that does not mean he is not helping his team to win. Only people considering him a wash are not Mavs supporters.

Bryan_Wilson · 12-02-2016, 08:30 AM

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Who is this 'most' that say MAX Barnes is not helping his team to win? I have seen that he is not considered as the man or (super)star but that does not mean he is not helping his team to win. Only people considering him a wash are not Mavs supporters.

Well yeah I was generalizing fans not Mavs fans. If we only counted Mavs fans then it would be a world of unicorns and rainbows and Dwight Powell + Johnathon Gibson trades getting us 1st rounders. So I think most Mavs fans are pleased with the production so far from Barnes considering what their expectations were. The main point I was trying to make though(just more condensed) is that he is giving us production at or better than Wiggins, without anyone remotely close to KAT next to him. And if you threw their salaries out, I would suspect fans, not mavs fans but fans in general, would be willing to trade an unprotected lotto pick for Wiggins. Meanwhile I'm not sure those same fans would even give up a 1st for Barnes. Bringing up Wiggins and Wes I just noticed their numbers were eerily similar and was somewhat surprised myself.

turin · 12-02-2016, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Jinx.

Nah. Sadly, it's called reality. :-(