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jthig32 · 08-09-2006, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

I think its time to start coming up with MVP talk for each of the leagues. Right now i would be leaning towards Beltran in the NL. The AL is tougher. If Minny makes the playoffs i would go with Joe mauer. If they dont it gets alot tougher. If they dont and Boston does I would go with Manny ramirez. If neither does and the White sox do i would go with Jermaine Dye. Im curious to know who others would vote.

Manny Ramirez isn't even the MVP of his own team. Manny may have superior numbers this year, but David Ortiz has so many clutch hits, I don't see how he doesn't get voted the MVP if the Sox get into the playoffs.

nashtymavsfan13 · 08-10-2006, 12:35 AM

My MVP's are David Ortiz and David Wright.

Drbio · 08-10-2006, 12:38 AM

I probably throw my MVP vote at Big Papi too.

Five-ofan · 08-10-2006, 08:21 AM

I thought about papi and its not purely that hes a dh that keeps him from winning since manny might as well be. If the twins make it i dont really even see an argument for anyone else except maybe morneau. A good catcher hitting 350+ on a playoff team is the mvp in just about any year. THe thing is Manny beats papi in Average, OBP, OPS, and O2S. So papi has alot of game winning hits? Do you want to give GMJ the MVP? He leads the AL in OPS, BA, and OBP in Close and late situations. Yes Papi is clutch but did any of you ever think that if he got a hit earlier in the game he might not have to be so clutch? Baseball is purely a game of numbers as far as hitting goes. He with the better numbers was the better hitter for that year. Not to mention that Manny is a big reason papi sees all those pitches. Could you imagine what manny would do if he had someone like himself batting behind him?

Five-ofan · 08-10-2006, 08:25 AM

As for wright, I love wright and all but Beltran is on the same team and he has absolutely spanked wright in just about every category but BA. On the same team he is beating Wright in Hrs, RBI, SB, OBP, OPS, O2S, Slugging, Doubles and he has even been caught Stealing less. Not to mention he is a better center fielder than wright is a 3rd basemen and center is a more important position.

jthig32 · 08-10-2006, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

I thought about papi and its not purely that hes a dh that keeps him from winning since manny might as well be. If the twins make it i dont really even see an argument for anyone else except maybe morneau. A good catcher hitting 350+ on a playoff team is the mvp in just about any year. THe thing is Manny beats papi in Average, OBP, OPS, and O2S. So papi has alot of game winning hits? Do you want to give GMJ the MVP? He leads the AL in OPS, BA, and OBP in Close and late situations. Yes Papi is clutch but did any of you ever think that if he got a hit earlier in the game he might not have to be so clutch? Baseball is purely a game of numbers as far as hitting goes. He with the better numbers was the better hitter for that year. Not to mention that Manny is a big reason papi sees all those pitches. Could you imagine what manny would do if he had someone like himself batting behind him?

I don't necessarily disagree, but the sheer number of game winning hits that Ortiz has this year has made him a darling in the media. I'm just saying there's no way the media votes anyone but him as the MVP of the Sox.

Five-ofan · 08-10-2006, 08:28 AM

Oh i understand and I will be kind of shocked if he doesnt win it, I meant mine as a who i would vote for not who i predict will win. I predict pujols and Ortiz but I think it should be Beltran and Mauer.

sike · 08-10-2006, 09:22 AM

nice to see Lee have a great game....

DRo has been insane all season...is he for real or a one year wonder?

jthig32 · 08-10-2006, 09:50 AM

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nice to see Lee have a great game....

DRo has been insane all season...is he for real or a one year wonder?

Smarter people than I have no idea...

http://www.lonestarball.com/story/2006/8/9/22513/56284

That's a really great Ranger blog, btw. I'm sure several people around here read it regularly, as I do.

Five-ofan · 08-10-2006, 10:26 AM

His swing looks like he should be able to hit really well and this is his first chance to really play everyday but be weary of the 30 year old career year that far surpasses anything the guy has ever done before. I personally think that he can hit though not quite as well as he has this year. I think he will round back down to a 470 slugging and a 340 obp next year instead of 500 and 370. Still very solid numbers though.

jthig32 · 08-10-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

His swing looks like he should be able to hit really well and this is his first chance to really play everyday but be weary of the 30 year old career year that far surpasses anything the guy has ever done before. I personally think that he can hit though not quite as well as he has this year. I think he will round back down to a 470 slugging and a 340 obp next year instead of 500 and 370. Still very solid numbers though.

Atlanta gave him the chance to player everday a few years back, and he was flat terrible.

I dunno what to think about him.

Five-ofan · 08-10-2006, 10:32 AM

He still didnt play everyday then, he played a good bit but not everyday. His ABs this year are already equal to his ABs in that season. He was a pretty highly regarded prospect at one time. I am tired of people talking about his swing and its similarities to MYs though. Other than the toe tap they actually have quite different swings.

chumdawg · 08-10-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Do you want to give GMJ the MVP?

It might be time to start giving this serious consideration.

Five-ofan · 08-10-2006, 11:41 AM

Of the rangers GMJ has been the mvp no question but of the AL?

jthig32 · 08-10-2006, 12:52 PM

Just wanted to post this, found it interesting:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...nd-kevin-mench

Only time will tell if Mench's trend after his big year continues. I tend to think he will improve, in much the same way Lee did at about the same point in his career.

I must say, I have been rather shocked at Lee's defense. He looks awful out there. I did not remember him being that bad defensively.

And for what it's worth, Cordero is 4-0 in save situations for Mil, and appears to be their permanent closer.

Still like the trade, although I'm ready to flip Lee for prospects. Just wanted to share something I found interesting.

Five-ofan · 08-10-2006, 12:56 PM

I think that is what is called overstatting. if anything, Lee is a better baserunner than mench. He is HORRIBLE in left though. Mench is average at best out there though. Cruz cant be dismissed as insignifigant in this trade though.

jthig32 · 08-10-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

I think that is what is called overstatting. if anything, Lee is a better baserunner than mench. He is HORRIBLE in left though. Mench is average at best out there though. Cruz cant be dismissed as insignifigant in this trade though.

I'm not sure how they determine the baserunning thing. I'd like to know those stats. Neither strikes me as a bad decision maker on the basepaths.

I can not possibly overstate how shocked I've been at Lee's defense. He's flat out awful. He looks like he can't bend. And he has to start slowing down way before he gets to the ball when it's rolling in the corner. It makes me want to resign him even less than I already did.

I don't think they're discounting the Cruz factor, I'm certainly not, it was just a basic comparison of the two players.

And you're not seriously accusing someone of overstatting, Mr. Defensive +/- stats?

Male30Dan · 08-10-2006, 09:56 PM

Great win tonight. Eaton is really pitching well. I would like to see him pitch into the 7th and 8th innings, (especially when he isn't walking people like he wasn't tonight), but I will take 6 innings and 2 runs with only 4 hits.

mmmfast · 08-10-2006, 10:04 PM

FSN announcers mentioned he was probably pulled at 77 pitches because it's only his 4th start this year.
He is looking good, let's hope he stays strong down the stretch.

jthig32 · 08-10-2006, 11:05 PM

I was there tonight, in the plush company seats. Very nice.

I didn't quite understand Eaton getting pulled at 77 pitches. Even weirder was the fact that he went out and warmed up for the 7th as normal, then when he was done Buck went out and pulled him. He looked really surprised.

Eaton had already pitched over 100 innings the start before last. However, Eaton HAD given up some pretty loud outs the innning before. Plus once I saw C.J. Wilson was coming in, I was fine with it. C.J. has been great lately.

Male30Dan · 08-11-2006, 08:17 AM

Any change of CJ starting again for us in the future or is he definitely only a bullpen guy from here on?

I ask becasue he was hideous last year but really seems to have figured something out this year.

jthig32 · 08-11-2006, 09:21 AM

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Any change of CJ starting again for us in the future or is he definitely only a bullpen guy from here on?

I ask becasue he was hideous last year but really seems to have figured something out this year.

I bet they plan to let him compete for a spot next year. He's been absolutely filthy since he was recalled this year.

sike · 08-11-2006, 09:52 AM

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I bet they plan to let him compete for a spot next year. He's been absolutely filthy since he was recalled this year.

he got the goods if he can just keeps his head right with ball....

sike · 08-11-2006, 09:53 AM

young and lee coming around at the right time...hope this spells tons of wins for the good guys...

Five-ofan · 08-11-2006, 12:36 PM

Has anyone else noticed Tex becoming bobby abreu with power recently? His good abs are piling up at an amazing rate. The good thing is that hes getting the OBP AND a good average. That is important. There is a reason that even though Adam Dunn hits 40 homers he struggles to get 100 rbis.

nashtymavsfan13 · 08-11-2006, 02:48 PM

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Has anyone else noticed Tex becoming bobby abreu with power recently? His good abs are piling up at an amazing rate. The good thing is that hes getting the OBP AND a good average. That is important. There is a reason that even though Adam Dunn hits 40 homers he struggles to get 100 rbis.

I have. It's not helping my fantasy team

Male30Dan · 08-11-2006, 09:54 PM

The bats are getting hot boys... The bats are getting hot!

jthig32 · 08-12-2006, 12:57 AM

DeRosa is just ridiculous...I can't believe the level he's hitting at right now.

nashtymavsfan13 · 08-12-2006, 01:11 AM

DeRosa has been crazy hot, I'm glad I recently picked him up. Another great game tonight.

nashtymavsfan13 · 08-12-2006, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Oh i understand and I will be kind of shocked if he doesnt win it, I meant mine as a who i would vote for not who i predict will win. I predict pujols and Ortiz but I think it should be Beltran and Mauer.

I also think it will be Pujols and Ortiz. What about Ryan Howard for MVP? He's been a beast this year. Hitting just under .300 and leading the NL in homers and RBI's.

nashtymavsfan13 · 08-12-2006, 01:21 AM

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I almost cut DeRosa from my fantasy team tonight. In the end I didn't have the heart to do it.

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Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

In fantasy sports you gotta use your head, and not your heart my friend

Well, sometimes when you use your heart instead of your head, your boy comes through in a big way

Good call chummy.

chumdawg · 08-12-2006, 01:34 AM

Let it be known that DeRosa has been in my lineup all this time!

nashtymavsfan13 · 08-12-2006, 03:14 AM

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Let it be known that DeRosa has been in my lineup all this time!

Yep, and he's about the only guy that's keeping your offense alive :P

chumdawg · 08-12-2006, 11:20 AM

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Yep, and he's about the only guy that's keeping your offense alive :P

With him, who needs anyone else??

nashtymavsfan13 · 08-12-2006, 01:33 PM

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With him, who needs anyone else??

For now you're fine, but when he starts to cool off, you'll be in some trouble.

I'm still thinking you should do that Morneau trade, he's been great.

Five-ofan · 08-12-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

I also think it will be Pujols and Ortiz. What about Ryan Howard for MVP? He's been a beast this year. Hitting just under .300 and leading the NL in homers and RBI's.

I think beltran has been the pretty clear mvp of the nl. He plays an important position and he plays it extremely well. He has also hit like a beast. I have always thought he was overrated but this year he has finally become what was expected of him. Not to mention he is on the best team in the nl. As for howard, he is bad defender at a non important position.

nashtymavsfan13 · 08-12-2006, 02:39 PM

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I think beltran has been the pretty clear mvp of the nl. He plays an important position and he plays it extremely well. He has also hit like a beast. I have always thought he was overrated but this year he has finally become what was expected of him. Not to mention he is on the best team in the nl. As for howard, he is bad defender at a non important position.

Defense and position doesn't really come into the discussion unless it's really really close, and it should have more effect, but it doesn't. It's mostly about hitting stats, and so Howard has a legit case for MVP imo.

jthig32 · 08-12-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

Defense and position doesn't really come into the discussion unless it's really really close, and it should have more effect, but it doesn't. It's mostly about hitting stats, and so Howard has a legit case for MVP imo.

There's no way someone as young as Howard wins the MVP on a below average team.

Five-ofan · 08-12-2006, 04:46 PM

Beltran has been more valuable offensively anyway but if it was close it goes to the better record and a MUCH more important position.

nashtymavsfan13 · 08-12-2006, 05:39 PM

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There's no way someone as young as Howard wins the MVP on a below average team.

Yeah, I guess you're right, but he has been solid this year.