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[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

You don't believe in plus/minus? There is no other better stat out there than that. It shows if a player is hurting the team or not.

This isn't baseball where all the batting averages are independent. Every basket scored affects five different +/- stats at the same time.

If two guys play the same minutes together on the court, they will have the same +/- stat no matter how much better one player is than the other. So no, it has its limits and is not the best stat out there.

[badfish22]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Every basket scored affects five different +/- stats at the same time.

If two guys play the same minutes together on the court, they will have the same +/- stat no matter how much better one player is than the other.

So you think it is just a coincidence? serious question.

[Mavericks Rockets Fan]

Originally Posted by badfish22

So you think it is just a coincidence? serious question.

I think you are missing the point he was trying to make. +/- stats get skewed not only by the players that they tend to play with, but the players that the opponent tend have in the game while they are playing.

For example, Kyle Lowry is the Rocket's leader in +/- stats. Why? Because he played alongside Landry from the bench and he got to play the bench of the other team.

What was the Rocket's best lineup? Brooks and Lowry together. Why? Because Houston would go to this lineup whenever a team tried to small-ball the Rockets. This worked into Houston's hands as the Rockets didn't have any legit centers.

My point here is that +/- is much more complicated than people make it out to be and it doesn't reveal the whole story. You often have to dig deeper...