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Underdog · 04-15-2018, 02:13 PM

I can see how Tankathon has Grayson Allen going to the Mavs at #34, since basically all the obvious names you'd want to take at that spot are projected in the 25-33 range... Otherwise, it's a bunch of PGs until you get to Mo Wagner at #41 (who I would also consider, depending on who we took with our first pick). I mean, Allen IS talented, but he's also a bitch -- I don't see RC getting on board with that pick.

I'm still praying for Kieta Bates-Diop to somehow fall to us, or maybe we can package both of our second rounders to move up a few spots and grab him.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-15-2018, 02:27 PM

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I dunno, I see Jackson probably going closer to the mid-2nd... Injury concerns tend to matter less later in the draft since you're basically taking a flyer on guys anyway.

Wasn't Motley going to go late in the 1st before injury?

Underdog · 04-15-2018, 02:32 PM

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Wasn't Motley going to go late in the 1st before injury?

Touché... I guess it also depends on what teams are looking for. There seems to be a ton of guards projected in the second round -- I could see the scarcity of forwards possibly driving up Jackson's value a bit.

But availability aside, I would be definitely be interested in getting him. Dude has the length-range combo you want in the modern NBA.

Scoobay · 04-15-2018, 11:30 PM

what do you guys think of mykhailiuk from Kansas? he's come up as a name for the Mavs before. seems like a nice deep threat but is he redundant if Mcdermott continues to work out?

Scoobay · 04-20-2018, 04:07 PM

Donte divincenzo declared... no agent though. He’s an intriguing prospect and I would love him with our 2nd rounder.

SMC0007 · 04-24-2018, 09:28 AM

I am curious if Memphis will for sure pass up Bagley and take Doncic. They have a couple decent guards/wing players already especially if they could retain Evans. If they take Doncic, would Evans accept what the leftover money they have and less minutes to offer him? Doncic is going to take a lot of the minutes with the starters so maybe Evans A)wants a bigger payday. B) Would rather come to Dallas and start along side DSJ and get more minutes because that starting SG spot is open. Wes isn't going anywhere but I prefer him coming off the bench. I've read that it seems very likely that they would take Doncic, but I'm interested in others opinion who may know more about their roster and their possible plans.

sefant77 · 04-24-2018, 10:08 AM

Evans is gone in Memphis...they benched him healthy for Weeks after they couldnt find a Deadline trade

SMC0007 · 04-24-2018, 11:23 AM

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Evans is gone in Memphis...they benched him healthy for Weeks after they couldnt find a Deadline trade

In an attempt to tank. You think that means it is guaranteed he is gone? I would imagine he is gone more so because his resurgence will demand more than what they could give him. I would love to have him along side DSJ, Wes will never be able to provide what he does, nor will Seth.

BPo001 · 04-24-2018, 11:25 AM

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I am curious if Memphis will for sure pass up Bagley and take Doncic. They have a couple decent guards/wing players already especially if they could retain Evans. If they take Doncic, would Evans accept what the leftover money they have and less minutes to offer him? Doncic is going to take a lot of the minutes with the starters so maybe Evans A)wants a bigger payday. B) Would rather come to Dallas and start along side DSJ and get more minutes because that starting SG spot is open. Wes isn't going anywhere but I prefer him coming off the bench. I've read that it seems very likely that they would take Doncic, but I'm interested in others opinion who may know more about their roster and their possible plans.

I don't know a lot about Evans, but I feel like Wes is a better fit next to DSJ.

EricaLubarsky · 04-24-2018, 12:37 PM

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I don't know a lot about Evans, but I feel like Wes is a better fit next to DSJ.

Both are decent shooters from deep (Evans actually averaged 39.9% last year. Matthews was 38.1% and was averaging 43% from three in February before he got injured and we started tanking hard).

I like Matthews more because of loyalty and leadership, but if Evans is cheaper, I would grab him. Evans isn't as strong defensively, but he provides similar size and skills and is 3 years younger

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-24-2018, 01:10 PM

Evan is a much, much better ball handler. That's where Wes just falls off the map in games. He tries to do things he simply can't.

But if Matthews opts in, then I dunno of a big purpose to getting Evans. I could see adding him if the Mavs put together a serious playoff team, but I think a lot of other teams will want him.

Scoobay · 04-24-2018, 01:44 PM

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I am curious if Memphis will for sure pass up Bagley and take Doncic. They have a couple decent guards/wing players already especially if they could retain Evans. If they take Doncic, would Evans accept what the leftover money they have and less minutes to offer him? Doncic is going to take a lot of the minutes with the starters so maybe Evans A)wants a bigger payday. B) Would rather come to Dallas and start along side DSJ and get more minutes because that starting SG spot is open. Wes isn't going anywhere but I prefer him coming off the bench. I've read that it seems very likely that they would take Doncic, but I'm interested in others opinion who may know more about their roster and their possible plans.

Memphis is not in a position to choose their player based on filling a spot - they should take the player they think is best. Gasol is 33 and Mike Conley is 30 and coming off injury. I suppose they could dream about putting together a contender with those 2 plus their lotto pick but that's a small window to hope for.

SMC0007 · 04-24-2018, 07:47 PM

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Memphis is not in a position to choose their player based on filling a spot - they should take the player they think is best. Gasol is 33 and Mike Conley is 30 and coming off injury. I suppose they could dream about putting together a contender with those 2 plus their lotto pick but that's a small window to hope for.

I would hope they are trying to contend, or compete. They just paid out the ass for Conley. Gasol is a handful, and 33 is not too old. If they went Bagley they would have someone to play along side him and maybe take that spot in a few years.

SMC0007 · 04-24-2018, 07:59 PM

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Evan is a much, much better ball handler. That's where Wes just falls off the map in games. He tries to do things he simply can't.

But if Matthews opts in, then I dunno of a big purpose to getting Evans. I could see adding him if the Mavs put together a serious playoff team, but I think a lot of other teams will want him.

Yea. Evan's is an elite ball handler. He and Dsj would change things dramatically at the guard positions.

I'm not seeing how or why Wes opts out...but I'd much rather see him coming off the bench unless we just fail miserably at upgrading the 2 spot

EricaLubarsky · 04-25-2018, 11:35 AM

In a strange statistical twist, the third and fifth teams have won the lottery more than any other in the last 28 years. The fourth worst team has never won a first overall.

Even though the 3rd pick has won 22% of the time, we still only have a 13.8% chance of winning the first pick and a 41.5% chance of a top three pick. The historical fluke doesn't impact our odds this year, but it's still interesting.

SMC0007 · 04-25-2018, 01:41 PM

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In a strange statistical twist, the third and fifth teams have won the lottery more than any other in the last 28 years. The fourth worst team has never won a first overall.

Even though the 3rd pick has won 22% of the time, we still only have a 13.8% chance of winning the first pick and a 41.5% chance of a top three pick. The historical fluke doesn't impact our odds this year, but it's still interesting.

So what you are saying is that we are definitely getting the number 1 pick.

EricaLubarsky · 04-25-2018, 01:57 PM

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So what you are saying is that we are definitely getting the number 1 pick.

103% guaranteed

BPo001 · 04-25-2018, 02:04 PM

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103% guaranteed

I like our chances!

EricaLubarsky · 04-25-2018, 02:43 PM

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I like our chances!

13.8% of the time it works 103% of the time

Underdog · 04-25-2018, 04:30 PM

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13.8% of the time it works 103% of the time

MavzMan · 04-26-2018, 09:13 AM

It's posts like these last several that keep me coming back every day. Pure greatness.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-26-2018, 03:06 PM

Pains me to post anything from ESPN, but Bamba is a really good interview. Has a good head on his shoulders for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCLfvvoEadg

Underdog · 04-26-2018, 05:00 PM

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Pains me to post anything from ESPN, but Bamba is a really good interview. Has a good head on his shoulders for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCLfvvoEadg

I was going to post the same thing... Also watched video of him shooting, which looks like it's improved significantly. Dude seems to have a similar work ethic to Mikal Bridges, which is intriguing as hell. Now I don't know what to think of him.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-26-2018, 05:40 PM

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I was going to post the same thing... Also watched video of him shooting, which looks like it's improved significantly. Dude seems to have a similar work ethic to Mikal Bridges, which is intriguing as hell. Now I don't know what to think of him.

I'm tellin' ya, he has an it factor that you can't really quantify. Look up his pre-Mcdonalds game interview where he talk so Ayton and I think Knox. He's a huge character without being obnoxious. But he has an IQ for sure as also shown by his ability to block shots without fouling.

Here is that tweet of him shooting...

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/sta...27461774868480

BPo001 · 04-26-2018, 07:13 PM

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I was going to post the same thing... Also watched video of him shooting, which looks like it's improved significantly. Dude seems to have a similar work ethic to Mikal Bridges, which is intriguing as hell. Now I don't know what to think of him.

Listening to Skin on the radio today kinda changed my tune on him for the better. He said when he runs the pick n roll the D has to stay with him otherwise the lane is wide open. They sag off? Dude has the longest wingspan ever- toss the rock somewhere near the hoop and he gets it. Bring another defender? Now you're leaving someone wide open for 3. We all know what Bamba can do defensively.

tap2390 · 04-27-2018, 09:53 AM

Could definitely see us taking Bamba at #3 over Bagley & JJJ. I wouldn't be mad about it as long as it was Donnie making the pick.

saclare · 04-27-2018, 10:33 AM

I've long been high on Bamba. So much upside from an already decently high floor given his defensive abilities.

Underdog · 04-27-2018, 04:29 PM

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Could definitely see us taking Bamba at #3 over Bagley & JJJ. I wouldn't be mad about it as long as it was Donnie making the pick.

Depends on how the lotto balls shake out, but we could probably trade back a couple spots if we really want Bamba.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-27-2018, 06:05 PM

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Depends on how the lotto balls shake out, but we could probably trade back a couple spots if we really want Bamba.

And get a really good wing player too add with him. That's why getting the highest pick possible would benefit the Mavs in so many ways.

Because as much as I want a superstar, the Mavs need assets in the worst way. And the ceiling of the top 6 or 7 are all pretty close. I didn't think they'd do it a few months back, but I think this is the draft you could do it and still feel good as long as you still pick in the top 7.

I doubt the FO trades Ayton, but I think things would be interesting with the number 2 pick since so many teams and scouts are ga ga over Doncic.

sefant77 · 04-27-2018, 07:18 PM

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Depends on how the lotto balls shake out, but we could probably trade back a couple spots if we really want Bamba.

Dont think this will work out because my guess is that the picks #3 until #8 are a total crap shot and you just cant be sure that no one takes Bamba within the next few picks

tap2390 · 04-27-2018, 10:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EOrdk_H2-s

I'm coming around to the idea of Bamba. I could see him being a mix of Embiid and Gobert. Bagley is still my binkie tho. Thinking out loud...

Bamba
Pros: clearly defined position; defense; sky-high potential
Cons: attitude on court; needs muscle; may need significant time

Bagley
Pros: attitude on court; physically developed; offensive rebounding
Cons: defense; tweener?; shot

sefant77 · 05-02-2018, 07:48 AM

still 13 days....

dirt_dobber · 05-02-2018, 09:09 AM

Help or Hurt his draft position????
Luka Doncic
Sporting news is reporting that his agent is saying he won't work out for teams ahead of NBA draft.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news...5132824voropvc

Bryan_Wilson · 05-02-2018, 09:37 AM

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Help or Hurt his draft position????
Luka Doncic
Sporting news is reporting that his agent is saying he won't work out for teams ahead of NBA draft.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news...5132824voropvc

IMO in the long run it prolly helps him. The only thing that would make him fall from his current spot would be if he tested poorly at the combine. And of all the guys at the top, the one who imo would be least impressive in individual workouts and drills would be the one with the lowest level of athleticism.

EricaLubarsky · 05-02-2018, 10:25 AM

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IMO in the long run it prolly helps him. The only thing that would make him fall from his current spot would be if he tested poorly at the combine. And of all the guys at the top, the one who imo would be least impressive in individual workouts and drills would be the one with the lowest level of athleticism.

Totally agree

He’s a dude like Dirk who gets it done despite his athleticism, not because of it. Workouts tend to overly emphasize the athletic components of a player’s game. Doncic wants teams to focus on how he actually plays with others instead of focusing on his foot speed and verticals

I’m not all that high on him myself— defensively he’s going to be a sieve and he just reminds me of Rubio, who I also don’t like as a player, but dude seems to be making the right call.

BPo001 · 05-02-2018, 11:36 AM

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Totally agree

He’s a dude like Dirk who gets it done despite his athleticism, not because of it. Workouts tend to overly emphasize the athletic components of a player’s game. Doncic wants teams to focus on how he actually plays with others instead of focusing on his foot speed and verticals

I’m not all that high on him myself— defensively he’s going to be a sieve and he just reminds me of Rubio, who I also don’t like as a player, but dude seems to be making the right call.

I don't know a ton about Doncic, but isn't he known as a good shooter? Seems like the opposite of Rubio who can't shoot, but is a pretty good defender (I think).

EricaLubarsky · 05-02-2018, 11:58 AM

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I don't know a ton about Doncic, but isn't he known as a good shooter? Seems like the opposite of Rubio who can't shoot, but is a pretty good defender (I think).

shooting 30% from three this year (33% overall), which is almost what Rubio was shooting coming out of Europe

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-02-2018, 03:24 PM

Yeah, count me out on Doncic. I just don't think he'll fit well with Smith jr and may even stunt his progress. That could even make the Smith pick a wasted one. I'd be OK with that if Doncic didn't have cement legs, but I'm telling you that is a huge risk at such a high pick.

There are just too many quality big men to pass up on when the Mavs need a big in the worst of ways. The team always seems plagued at the pf/center position (obviously outside of the old man), and they need to address it immediately.

tap2390 · 05-02-2018, 04:05 PM

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Yeah, count me out on Doncic. I just don't think he'll fit well with Smith jr and may even stunt his progress. That could even make the Smith pick a wasted one. I'd be OK with that if Doncic didn't have cement legs, but I'm telling you that is a huge risk at such a high pick.

There are just too many quality big men to pass up on when the Mavs need a big in the worst of ways. The team always seems plagued at the pf/center position (obviously outside of the old man), and they need to address it immediately.

Sorry if you’ve discussed this elsewhere, but if everything unfold as expected who do you take at 3?

SMC0007 · 05-02-2018, 04:08 PM

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Yeah, count me out on Doncic. I just don't think he'll fit well with Smith jr and may even stunt his progress. That could even make the Smith pick a wasted one. I'd be OK with that if Doncic didn't have cement legs, but I'm telling you that is a huge risk at such a high pick.

There are just too many quality big men to pass up on when the Mavs need a big in the worst of ways. The team always seems plagued at the pf/center position (obviously outside of the old man), and they need to address it immediately.

We have also been plagued by SG, especially in the size and ability to finish. We have always had a guy who can do one thing pretty well..but not a lot of things real well.

Not disagreeing about needing a legit big man, but I dont think we are any more set at Sg than we are at C or that it's a bigger risk than Bamba.