Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread - Page 13 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Melonhead · 05-19-2023, 01:27 PM

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Would you do

THJ + 10th pick for Jarrett Allen?

Im a keep the pick guy, but that would be enticing.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-19-2023, 02:16 PM

I'm just not sure Allen is a lottery pick value right now after that sorry first round loss. He doesn't spread the floor and isn't really great at anything.

26th pick got us Christian Wood who is in the same tier production-wise.

TJD is a better shot blocking version of him who slates right around where Allen got drafted. No way TJD slips to the second round.

If I'm being honest, I'd rather just draft TJD at ten and not worry about what people think about that. He fits the bill in nearly every category of our needs. A mix of Sabonis, Allen, RW3. This year's Desmond Bane in terms of guys that teams will regret not drafting.

sig · 05-19-2023, 03:05 PM

Here is combine report on TJD's 3 point shooting drill. Real interested to see where his draft rankings are by the time draft comes.

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/b...ibextid=S66gvF

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-19-2023, 04:07 PM

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Here is combine report on TJD's 3 point shooting drill. Real interested to see where his draft rankings are by the time draft comes.

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/b...ibextid=S66gvF

I bet his reaches 15-20 by draft night. Mobile bigs are the name of the game these days, and it's rare to have smaller centers block shots like he does.

If he can shoot threes every now and make them, then it's a no-brainer pick.

tap2390 · 05-20-2023, 07:23 AM

I?m on board with TJD at #10. I honestly wouldn?t be that surprised if we took him over Hendricks/ Walker (if one were to fall) because he?s more of a 5 than those two.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-20-2023, 09:49 AM

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I?m on board with TJD at #10. I honestly wouldn?t be that surprised if we took him over Hendricks/ Walker (if one were to fall) because he?s more of a 5 than those two.

Watching the Miami game last night, and I'm thinking this guy is nearly identical to what Bam brings to the table. And Bam was drafted 14.

And we might finally have one big advantage on our side with Cuban. He went to IU. And you know damn well he does weird stuff like that.

Zeus · 05-20-2023, 10:09 AM

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Watching the Miami game last night, and I'm thinking this guy is nearly identical to what Bam brings to the table. And Bam was drafted 14.

And we might finally have one big advantage on our side with Cuban. He went to IU. And you know damn well he does weird stuff like that.

Bam at 14 is exactly why the Iztak article on nobody good drafted at 10 is disingenuous from a math/probability perspective. You can't just look at the 10th pick but instead you need to consider the universe of players that could be selected at 10 e.g. Bam could have gone 10th rather than 14, D. Mitchel could have gone 10 rather than 12, Kawhi could have gone 10 rather than 13, you get the point - there are tons of good players picked at 10 or after.

tap2390 · 05-22-2023, 05:00 PM

Bull, Kleber, future 1st for Allen... maybe I'm delusional, but I think this deal makes sense for the Cavs on several levels.

mac222b · 05-22-2023, 07:15 PM

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Bull, Kleber, future 1st for Allen... maybe I'm delusional, but I think this deal makes sense for the Cavs on several levels.

That?s a lot to give up, to me.

EricaLubarsky · 05-22-2023, 10:14 PM

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That?s a lot to give up, to me.

Considering we have exactly two tradable picks (7-year rule, consecutive pick rule), that is half of our FRPs that we can trade for a guy who couldn't play in the playoffs.

mac222b · 05-22-2023, 10:30 PM

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Considering we have exactly two tradable picks (7-year rule, consecutive pick rule), that is half of our FRPs that we can trade for a guy who couldn't play in the playoffs.

Yes and while Maxi and Reggie are flawed in some ways, they are both useable rotation guys. If they can get value for Reggie I?m all for it, but replacing Maxi would be difficult.

Amarelooms · 05-22-2023, 10:54 PM

How much cap space lakers have? Don?t tell me we lose Kyrie to them for nothing!!! Brunson all over again.

EricaLubarsky · 05-23-2023, 12:21 AM

Lakers are like 85 mill over the cap. Let?s chill

Dallas41 · 05-23-2023, 12:45 AM

Hopefully this all comes to fruition except use that 10th pick to acquire Turner as opposed to Ayton

One source told Pincus that the deal will likely be for three years plus a player option, lining up with the length of Luka Doncic?s current contract. League sources told Pincus that Irving is likely worth more to Dallas than the rest of the teams, especially ones with cap room.

For the 10th pick, sources told Pincus the likely objective is to trade it for help, while also shedding a bad contract like JaVale McGee or Davis Bertans. Familiar trade target Suns center DeAndre Ayton was mentioned once again

tap2390 · 05-23-2023, 01:46 PM

1. Spurs - Victor Wembanyama (duh)

2. Hornets - Scoot Henderson (Hornets take character over another wing with legal issues)

3. Trailblazers - Brandon Miller (either Dame or the pick is getting traded)

4. Rockets - Jarace Walker (first surprise; Rox take the high-floor and versatile local guy with an eye on Harden coming into town)

5. Pistons - Taylor Hendricks (Pistons have guards for days, but need glue guys/ wings)

6. Magic - Amen Thompson (tough board for the Magic, but they take Amen for defense and size on the wing)

7. Pacers - Anthony Black (Pacers are stuck between competing and rebuilding, and Black fits in either way)

8. Wizards - Cason Wallace (Washington is the island of misfit toys, but Cason actually slots in nicely)

9. Jazz - Jordan Hawkins (Jazz will be upset to miss out on Cason, but Hawkins adds some needed perimeter shooting)

10. Mavs - Trayce Jackson-Davis (a bad board for the Mavs, but after desperately shopping around for anyone who is in love with Ausar Thompson, the Mavs take the ready-to-play TJD)

Melonhead · 05-23-2023, 05:38 PM

Selfishly asking and doubt the money is there, how much would Rui cost to pry away from Los Angeles

I think he?s restricted FA, but he is the size the Mavs need on the wing but can and will bang under the rim too.

EricaLubarsky · 05-24-2023, 10:35 AM

I am putting zero hope in free agency. We have really three possibilities

1) We re-sign Kyrie to the max and are in cap hell-- not only don't have money for FA, but incur some major penalties like losing picks

2) Kyrie walks. We suddenly have a lot less talent, but about one max slot.

3) We keep Kyrie and spend our picks/talent to clear some cap. We still don't have room for a big player probably but we could potentially drop 9-10mill on someone like Hachimura. Would it be worth it to trade #10 for powder that could only clear around one MLE slot?

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-24-2023, 11:23 AM

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I am putting zero hope in free agency. We have really three possibilities

1) We re-sign Kyrie to the max and are in cap hell-- not only don't have money for FA, but incur some major penalties like losing picks

2) Kyrie walks. We suddenly have a lot less talent, but about one max slot.

3) We keep Kyrie and spend our picks/talent to clear some cap. We still don't have room for a big player probably but we could potentially drop 9-10mill on someone like Hachimura. Would it be worth it to trade #10 for powder that could only clear around one MLE slot?

That's why it's smarter for fans not to panic if we don't make earth shattering moves this summer because we are in a weak position for that.

I'm leaning far more into keeping 10. We need more young talent...not less. Hardy and Green are not only fun to watch, but they are actually two of our best players. The naysayers say we need "right now" players, and yet it took a 20 year old Hardy a jason-kidd-won't-play-me half a season to come on.

That's why some of us are so high on TJD. He is a ready now Bam. And he actually has talent. We NEED players who are overall talented....not just do one or two things while Luka runs himself to death.

So, keep the pick, dump some of the dead weight off the roster for the best moves you can make this summer, and see what you can do at the deadline.

purplefrog · 05-24-2023, 01:10 PM

There is a part of me that would like to see the Mavs do a sign-and-trade sending Kyrie to LA. In return, I would like to see the Mavs receive back Bamba, Hachimura, and Beasley + the Lakers 2023 first round draft pick (#17). Mavs keep their #10 pick, add another first rounder, and improve their front court. Beasley can log some minutes at SG along with Hardy. This move would help develop a roster for the future and perhaps take the Mavs out of desperation mode. Mavs can keep trying to find a trade for THJ, McGee, and/or Bertrans but take Green and Hardy off the table (unless they somehow find a trade for a borderline all star). If LeBron wants Kyrie would the Lakers make this trade?

Zeus · 05-24-2023, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

That's why it's smarter for fans not to panic if we don't make earth shattering moves this summer because we are in a weak position for that.

I'm leaning far more into keeping 10. We need more young talent...not less. Hardy and Green are not only fun to watch, but they are actually two of our best players. The naysayers say we need "right now" players, and yet it took a 20 year old Hardy a jason-kidd-won't-play-me half a season to come on.

That's why some of us are so high on TJD. He is a ready now Bam. And he actually has talent. We NEED players who are overall talented....not just do one or two things while Luka runs himself to death.

So, keep the pick, dump some of the dead weight off the roster for the best moves you can make this summer, and see what you can do at the deadline.

Dude I have come around to totally agree with your view here. Let's add young talent and forget the must win now mode that has continued to lead to poor roster building. If Green, Hardy, #10, Luka continue to grow together who knows if they get in as a 7 or 8 seed they don't make a run next year and even better chance the next year. Miami's run has kind of changed my mind on that from a just get in perspective. Like Jimmy, Luka steps up big time in the playoffs. The elephant in the room is that Luka doesn't have as much leverage as we all have thought. Any team he would go to would have to give up a lot of assets and picks to make a trade happen before he is an unrestricted FA so he can't easily force his way out next year. Let's collectively chill and just start adding young talent.

rimrocker · 05-25-2023, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

That's why it's smarter for fans not to panic if we don't make earth shattering moves this summer because we are in a weak position for that.

I'm leaning far more into keeping 10. We need more young talent...not less. Hardy and Green are not only fun to watch, but they are actually two of our best players. The naysayers say we need "right now" players, and yet it took a 20 year old Hardy a jason-kidd-won't-play-me half a season to come on.

That's why some of us are so high on TJD. He is a ready now Bam. And he actually has talent. We NEED players who are overall talented....not just do one or two things while Luka runs himself to death.

So, keep the pick, dump some of the dead weight off the roster for the best moves you can make this summer, and see what you can do at the deadline.

This is exactly the best strategy going forward imo.

I'd add that we should do all we can to move Kyrie in a S&T deal and acquire any picks or players around Luka's age as possible. Good Lord, our superstar is 5 years from being in the middle of his prime so I dont see the extreme urgency to risk completely destroying the team by not being just a little patient.

We have 3 young players and a high pick that can be great building blocks for the next decade plus.
Why risk it all now?

tap2390 · 05-25-2023, 07:36 AM

I?m on board with Kyrie for S&T Reaves and S&T Rui

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-24-2023, 02:15 PM

It's not going to surprise anyone if Kyrie wants out.

I could see it being the Suns more than the Lakers though which is why we keep hearing Ayton 56953 times in rumors.

sig · 05-24-2023, 07:28 PM

I am a huge TJD fan for what he did at IU staying all 4 years and how he matured as a person and player. IMO, he will be a solid player in the NBA. I cannot take him at 10. Giovany puts out good stuff. He was better before ESPN took over the Draftexpress site or at least made more frequent updates.

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/new...bby-marks-10th

I'm going with Hendricks if available and if all the 3 forwards are gone, let see who faills from the consensus top 10.

Back to TJD, I think the Mavs can offer up the 27 or 26 FRP whichever is available first for a pick lower in the draft to get TJD. I'm pretty sure you can get a Pacers pick. Other teams have multiple picks too and might want to defer. Most mocks have TJD on the board still. At 10, he would not even be the top IU player on my board.

SMC0007 · 05-24-2023, 09:53 PM

Its easy to be over the train wreck of a season right now, but if we take a guy with the 10th pick and he isn't playing in big games and big moments we are in a bad spot. I don't want to see Luka wore down in the 2nd half of a season while we flounder our way out of the playoffs again. If we swing, we can't miss. Idk what the best path forward is but the "let's take our time and be patient" approach isn't going to work for Luka. The kid has been ready to compete for a title for years and we keep stepping on our dick.

Trade it, keep it, idc just make good moves and improve where we really lack.

https://twitter.com/CBAMavs/status/1...TVa4U6gTQ&s=19

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-25-2023, 09:05 AM

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Its easy to be over the train wreck of a season right now, but if we take a guy with the 10th pick and he isn't playing in big games and big moments we are in a bad spot. I don't want to see Luka wore down in the 2nd half of a season while we flounder our way out of the playoffs again. If we swing, we can't miss. Idk what the best path forward is but the "let's take our time and be patient" approach isn't going to work for Luka. The kid has been ready to compete for a title for years and we keep stepping on our dick.

Trade it, keep it, idc just make good moves and improve where we really lack.

https://twitter.com/CBAMavs/status/1...TVa4U6gTQ&s=19

Exactly why trading more picks would be wackadoo.

And I just look at the roster as it it currently is. Powell and Wood are both FAs, so we basically don't even have a center.

TJD would not only start, but he'd be the best big we have but a good margin IMO.

So it's not that TJD is going to be some all nba player or anything....it's that our current roster is a ghost town of talent.

So you're either overpaying for unmotivated Ayton or Turner (Turner will likely cost all of our current assets IMO) or just draft someone with a valued pick we already have.

Trading more picks would be scorched earth at this point as our near future draft capital is basically non-existent.

SMC0007 · 05-25-2023, 04:24 PM

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Exactly why trading more picks would be wackadoo.

And I just look at the roster as it it currently is. Powell and Wood are both FAs, so we basically don't even have a center.

TJD would not only start, but he'd be the best big we have but a good margin IMO.

So it's not that TJD is going to be some all nba player or anything....it's that our current roster is a ghost town of talent.

So you're either overpaying for unmotivated Ayton or Turner (Turner will likely cost all of our current assets IMO) or just draft someone with a valued pick we already have.

Trading more picks would be scorched earth at this point as our near future draft capital is basically non-existent.

Yea. When you break down the roster plus the outgoing future picks, MBT has to be weighing that heavily. If we didn't owe so many future picks it wouldn't be near as big of a deal that we move #10 to fill a void with a proven quality big. Ayton is not proven quality big in my book. Turner is but an effective rookie is cheaper.

saclare · 05-25-2023, 11:38 AM

I think we can make our pick for BPA and then get Turner for the future pick that opens up. Turner fits with damn near every prospect I've seen mocked to the Mavs or liked here by others.

I'm on board with keeping Kyrie and making something happen for Turner while also adding young talent with #10. It can be done...

sig · 05-25-2023, 03:21 PM

Well if KI wants to go, don't sleep on golden St especially if they want to continue ring chasing with their aging trio which seems to be the case. That francihse always steps up with moves like this. I don't know about Klay as potentially it seems he might want to go to Lakers to end his career where his dad use to play and is on the broadcast team.

Warriors have a ton of salary and young guys too. Poole would be a solid replacement and you could probably get Kuminga. Both are making waves. One causing chemistry issues and the other is unhappy about not playing. Wiggins instead of Kuminga could make sense from salary view but I think Warriors like Wiggins a lot. Kuminga plus poole adds up to about 33-34 mil salary. So that may not be enough to match KI salary demands.

sig · 05-25-2023, 03:27 PM

Well if KI wants to go, don't sleep on golden St especially if they want to continue ring chasing with their aging trio which seems to be the case. That francihse always steps up with moves like this. I don't know about Klay as potentially it seems he might want to go to Lakers to end his career where his dad use to play and is on the broadcast team.

Warriors have a ton of salary and young guys too. Poole would be a solid replacement and you could probably get Kuminga. Both are making waves. One causing chemistry issues and the other is unhappy about not playing. Wiggins instead of Kuminga could make sense from salary view but I think Warriors like Wiggins a lot. Kuminga plus poole adds up to about 33-34 mil salary. So that may not be enough to match KI salary demands.

SMC0007 · 05-25-2023, 04:26 PM

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Well if KI wants to go, don't sleep on golden St especially if they want to continue ring chasing with their aging trio which seems to be the case. That francihse always steps up with moves like this. I don't know about Klay as potentially it seems he might want to go to Lakers to end his career where his dad use to play and is on the broadcast team.

Warriors have a ton of salary and young guys too. Poole would be a solid replacement and you could probably get Kuminga. Both are making waves. One causing chemistry issues and the other is unhappy about not playing. Wiggins instead of Kuminga could make sense from salary view but I think Warriors like Wiggins a lot. Kuminga plus poole adds up to about 33-34 mil salary. So that may not be enough to match KI salary demands.

Idk if they are interested in Kyrie, but I'm 100% interested in Kuminga. Dudes really good and about to break loose.

BPo001 · 05-25-2023, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sig

Well if KI wants to go, don't sleep on golden St especially if they want to continue ring chasing with their aging trio which seems to be the case. That francihse always steps up with moves like this. I don't know about Klay as potentially it seems he might want to go to Lakers to end his career where his dad use to play and is on the broadcast team.

Warriors have a ton of salary and young guys too. Poole would be a solid replacement and you could probably get Kuminga. Both are making waves. One causing chemistry issues and the other is unhappy about not playing. Wiggins instead of Kuminga could make sense from salary view but I think Warriors like Wiggins a lot. Kuminga plus poole adds up to about 33-34 mil salary. So that may not be enough to match KI salary demands.

Doesn?t GS have a PG?

SMC0007 · 05-25-2023, 09:36 PM

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Doesn?t GS have a PG?

Doesn't Dallas?

BPo001 · 05-25-2023, 10:44 PM

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Doesn't Dallas?

Fair point, but ours is 6?7?. He plays PG, but is big enough to guard other teams 2-3.

sig · 05-26-2023, 01:35 PM

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Doesn?t GS have a PG?

Well Luka played with Brunson and hopes to keep playing with KI. I believe KI stays and prefer that but Poole played a lot with curry and could provide 20+ point scoring. IMO, trades with lakers and suns are less attractive than what the Warriors have to offer.

Taking KI out of the equation, I'd prefer Kuminga over Green and maybe the Warriors would make that trade if poole is shipped out somewhere else. There are more high end SG's likely to be available at 10 that can replace Green. Warriors might like to not pay the tax payment on pick 19 so might deal it for future FRP. Green and future FRP for Kuminga and pick 19 seems simple unless the salary added to Kuminga from pick 19 breaks some trade rule in macthing salary.

tap2390 · 05-26-2023, 06:34 AM

One name I?d like to keep tabs on is Jerami Grant? if Dame is traded, a S&T with the Blazers with us sending Bertans, Javale, and a future 1st makes a lot of sense. Do that, resign Kyrie, draft TJD at 10.

Luka
Kyrie
Green
Grant
TJD

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-26-2023, 08:04 AM

Jarace Walker seems to be falling in some mocks. Was an interesting take when they said he wasn't tall enough to play small ball 5 and not quick enough to guard guards. That wouldn't dissuade me from the pick though.

Notoriously unreliable nbadraft.net has TJD at 20 now. They may suck at predictions, but they are right about that guy.

EricaLubarsky · 05-26-2023, 11:24 AM

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Jarace Walker seems to be falling in some mocks. Was an interesting take when they said he wasn't tall enough to play small ball 5 and not quick enough to guard guards. That wouldn't dissuade me from the pick though.

Notoriously unreliable nbadraft.net has TJD at 20 now. They may suck at predictions, but they are right about that guy.

Id wager that Walker will be there at 10.

IMO you just don't spend a top-10 pick with so many potential stars on a guy like Walker. At best he's a strong starter.

That applies to us too. Maybe we should shoot for a low-floor, star upside guy. Then again, I think Walker is almost guaranteed to be a starter and has a decent chance of being our Looney.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-26-2023, 11:32 AM

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Id wager that Walker will be there at 10.

IMO you just don't spend a top-10 pick with so many potential stars on a guy like Walker. At best he's a strong starter.

That applies to us too. Maybe we should shoot for a low-floor, star upside guy. Then again, I think Walker is almost guaranteed to be a starter and has a decent chance of being our Looney.

The comparisons to Draymond are what should get fans excited. He is a guy that can guard 5 positions. Reminds me of a bigger Lu Dort.

I'm actually softening a bit on Hendricks. Hendricks is a 3 and D guy and maybe a good one at that, but he isn't a great rebounder, handler, or passer. Mavs need more multi-talented guys. Could he develop that stuff? Sure, but if he is a better defending Wood without the handling, then I'm not sure what a huge upgrade that is. I think Hendricks has a high bust potential compared to the rest of the lottery.

Again though, if Hendricks or Walker drop, then I can't see the Mavs passing on either. And Walker would make the pick way more valuable in a potential trade.

SMC0007 · 05-26-2023, 11:46 AM

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Id wager that Walker will be there at 10.

IMO you just don't spend a top-10 pick with so many potential stars on a guy like Walker. At best he's a strong starter.

That applies to us too. Maybe we should shoot for a low-floor, star upside guy. Then again, I think Walker is almost guaranteed to be a starter and has a decent chance of being our Looney.

He's going to be way better than Looney. He may be better by seasons end.

Whatever we do, We can't spend #10 on a high ceiling project. We just can't. The point of taking the pick is to fill a void with young cheaper talent but you can't skip the "fill a void" part.