bradley

[fin4life]

Ok, in light of Mbenga's role at backup PF, and considering that we still have Calvin Booth behind him.... Bradley becomescompletely expendable. We have two options, wait until the trade deadline and find a contender who needs some big man depth, or try to get rid of him now. There are only a few teams that are far enough under the cap to trade picks with. A team that could really use him is Phoenix.

Pheonix has and abundance of 2/3 now, and maybe a guy like Casy Jacobson is no longer needed there with Zarko, Joe Johnson, and Q-Rich. I know that the contracts dont match up but I am sure that something like that can get done with some team.

Toronto Could use a center. A bradley for Lammond Murry swap should work... Murry might help us at the beginning of the year while MArquis is out, other than that he will be on the IR.
But maybe they will give us Morris Peterson for Bradley/Cash, that could be a nice package. He wouldnt get much time most of the year, but he could be used if one of our swingmen goes down.



If anyone else can think of any other scenerios, feel free to tell them

[giantbenmav]

I dont think we need anymore swingmen.......no more 2/3 hybrid......if we trade Bradley I would like to get a good defensive player for him......maybe a legitimate 3?

a Raja Bell type would be nice....a strong defensive player who is smart enough on offense to stay out of the way....

But I dont think we could get much for Bradley......

[EricaLubarsky]

Whoa..a decent idea from the trade board. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Lamond Im guessing would be an upgrade on Sasser and Hood and would be a definite upgrade on Lopez. Unfortunately, Murray wouldn't get much time to get up to speed. Both Lopez and Hood know the Mavs system already

[fin4life]

I wonder if Houston would give us Adrian Griffin for him. He knows the system and could step in immediatly. I think that would be good for Houston becasue Mutumbo isnt garunteed to be healthy all year. I know the salaries dont exactly match up but we could make something work.

Although it is unlikely, I would love to have one of our old "glue" guys back here to help us out with Marquis/fin out.

[dalmations202]

As long as it has taken to get some Center depth, and now you want to remove it.

You haven't seen one regular season game yet with Benga or PPod. Booth was the backup to Bradley before, and frankly still isn't the disruptive force that Big Shawn is. Yet you want to move the Center depth.

So you would trade Shawn for Griff (I do like a healthy Griff), who can't seem to get healthy enough to even play for Houston.

You want to trade the depth of Shawn for scrubs.

I say that you don't know what you have, till you don't have it anymore. If you trade him for nothing, you have nothing. Presently, you have Center depth, that can disrupt a game.....even if it is not consistent.


And by your way of thinking........since we have three other swing men......Finley is expendable as well. After all we have a developing Daniels, and Howard, a Stud at scoring in Stackhouse, and Terry can play the position if needed.....So get rid of Fin (it is exactly the same mistaken logic).[img]i/expressions/anim_roller.gif[/img]

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally posted by: fin4life
I wonder if Houston would give us Adrian Griffin for him. He knows the system and could step in immediatly. I think that would be good for Houston becasue Mutumbo isnt garunteed to be healthy all year. I know the salaries dont exactly match up but we could make something work.

Although it is unlikely, I would love to have one of our old "glue" guys back here to help us out with Marquis/fin out.

Griff isnt worth Bradley. He's a FA guy for the rest of his career. I also would want Houston to have Bradley. Battling Houston is one of the only reasons we need Bradley and a Yao/Bradley combo with JVG playing both would be pretty scary.

[alby]

i'd like to see a 15 ft combo from the c/pf positions, wouldnt u lol

[vinnieponte]

I think getting rid of Bradley WOULDN'T hurt us at all! WE have plenty of centers to rotate and I'll take a shirt and box of popcorn for Bradley!

[Fah Q]

Originally posted by: dalmations202
As long as it has taken to get some Center depth, and now you want to remove it.

You haven't seen one regular season game yet with Benga or PPod. Booth was the backup to Bradley before, and frankly still isn't the disruptive force that Big Shawn is. Yet you want to move the Center depth.

So you would trade Shawn for Griff (I do like a healthy Griff), who can't seem to get healthy enough to even play for Houston.

You want to trade the depth of Shawn for scrubs.

I say that you don't know what you have, till you don't have it anymore. If you trade him for nothing, you have nothing. Presently, you have Center depth, that can disrupt a game.....even if it is not consistent.


And by your way of thinking........since we have three other swing men......Finley is expendable as well. After all we have a developing Daniels, and Howard, a Stud at scoring in Stackhouse, and Terry can play the position if needed.....So get rid of Fin (it is exactly the same mistaken logic).[img]i/expressions/anim_roller.gif[/img]

How many minutes a night do you think Bradley will get? I would not be in favor of trading him if Nellie would actually play him.

I would trade Bradley for Raja, he knows the system, can hit an open shot, and plays hard D.

Bradley to Utah sounds about perfect to me. He would be happy.

[dalmations202]

How many minutes a night do you think Bradley will get? I would not be in favor of trading him if Nellie would actually play him.

Isn't this the question either way?

I just hate moving a guy that can change the game. Even if he is a specialist who will only play every other game, "like a Dickau", or somesuch.....why move him for nothing. Raja gets less playing time here than Bradley will (if everyone gets healthy), and cannot take over a game defensively. Bradley against Yao and maybe two or three other teams, plus backup for injury is worth way more than a 5th swingman.

[Drbio]

You don't trade Bradley unless the return is great and/or fills a need. The guy can singlehandedly take over the game. Anyone who fails to see that has their head in the sand (or somewhere else).

[SeriousSummer]

The Mavs need someone who can fill in at the 4 when Dirk is resting and play the 3 when a big 3 is necessary. How about this:

Dallas trades: C Shawn Bradley (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.7 minutes)
PG Dan Dickau (2.2 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 6.8 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 36.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +9.2 ppg, +6.6 rpg, and +0.3 apg.

Toronto trades: PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 36.5 minutes)
Toronto receives: C Shawn Bradley (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 66 games)
PG Dan Dickau (2.2 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 43 games)
Change in team outlook: -9.2 ppg, -6.6 rpg, and -0.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

I don't know that you could convince Toronto, but it wouldn't be a bad deal for them. They've got Araujo and Bosch at the 4/5 and Rose and Carter can play the three. Bradley would help at the 5 and Alvin Williams is hurt so they need point guard help.

[dalmations202]

I'm not big on trading Bradley, but I probably would do this one if it were an option.

[sike]

Originally posted by: Drbio
Anyone who fails to see that has their head in the sand (or somewhere else).

do you think he meant "in the clouds" as the other option?

[Dooby]

I believe that by midseason somebody will want Bradley and I don't think the price is very high-we have five centers under contract for at least the next 2 years. I'd trade him for a Brent Barry/Steve Kerr type-defender who can hit the three coming off the bench.

[FineCubanCigar]

the only gaurd/sf i would trade for is doug christie

[dalmations202]

Bradley isn't the #4, he is the #2 (although that could change by tomorrow).

Forget about trading him, at least at this time. Nellie finally figured out how to play him last night - 15m and let him impact the game.

[LRB]

The only possible need that I can see for this team is an upgrade at the backup PF spot. We've got the PG spot filled and have more players deserving minutes than minutes to play them. The same can be said for the 2/3 positions. At center we have 5 on the roster and I don't see us getting a better center that can play right now for Bradley than Bradley himself. What we don't need is another project at center, we already have 2. So that leaves PF as the only spot that we need.

However after Damp, Bradley is clearly the best center that we have on the roster right now. And no center, including Damp, can be as disruptive as Shawn on the defensive end. Shawn is one of the best in the league at playing Yao and is also very good against Duncan. I certainly don't want to trade Shawn to a western conference opponent. That would be just stupid.

I might consider the Donyell Marshal trade, but at 1st thought I'd rather keep the Mantis. Henderson is doing extremely well at PF right now. Both Booth and Benga can play it if needed. And Dirk is not going to leave a lot of time for a packup to play anyways. However is the biggest problem that I see is that if we got Marshal then we'd start to see Dirk at the 5 spot a great deal more. That would be extremely detrimental to this team in the long run.

So I think that it would be the worst of ideas to trade Bradley unless someone goes crazy and offers a Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Jermain O'Neil, Ben Wallace, or other upper tier big man. I see the possibilities of that about as high as George Bush leaving Laura to join John Kerry in a civil union.

[DCowboysGal]

Originally posted by: SeriousSummer
The Mavs need someone who can fill in at the 4 when Dirk is resting and play the 3 when a big 3 is necessary. How about this:

Dallas trades: C Shawn Bradley (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.7 minutes)
PG Dan Dickau (2.2 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 6.8 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 36.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +9.2 ppg, +6.6 rpg, and +0.3 apg.

Toronto trades: PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 36.5 minutes)
Toronto receives: C Shawn Bradley (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 66 games)
PG Dan Dickau (2.2 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 43 games)
Change in team outlook: -9.2 ppg, -6.6 rpg, and -0.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

I don't know that you could convince Toronto, but it wouldn't be a bad deal for them. They've got Araujo and Bosch at the 4/5 and Rose and Carter can play the three. Bradley would help at the 5 and Alvin Williams is hurt so they need point guard help.

For a backup PF, why not just sign Bo Outlaw who was recently released by MEM? He's a Jerome Williams-type PF who's a little undersized for the position but is still a tremendous rebounder and an athletic and wiry high-energy guy. He's also a great shot-blocker. Also, for a PF, he can run really well and would be an ideal complement to our athletic speedy bench guys like Stackhouse, Terry, Daniels, etc.

[madape]

Bradley is the backup center right now. He has a well defined role in which he will contribute every night. If Dampier ever goes down (which he is oft prone to do ) we'll need Shawn to step in and do what he does. There is no other glaring need right now that we could fill by trading Shawn. Shawn provides more value to this team by playing hard every night than he ever could via trade.

[fin4life]

Even though I started this thread.... Now that Bradley is getting minutes, i would not want to trade him. I expected DJ to get most of the backup minutes and booth to be next. I like bradley a lot and would want to keep him as long as Nellie played him.

[fin4life]

Even though I started this thread.... Now that Bradley is getting minutes, i would not want to trade him. I expected DJ to get most of the backup minutes and booth to be next. I like bradley a lot and would want to keep him as long as Nellie played him.