08-21-2004, 05:31 PM
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Supposed letters between Bill Timmins (president of Aladdin Casino in Vegas) and Michael Moore.
Bill Timmins
President
Aladdin Casino and Hotel
Las Vegas, NV
July 20, 2004
Dear Mr. Timmins:
I understand from the news reports I've read that, after Linda Ronstadt, one of America's greatest singers, dedicated a song to me from your stage on Saturday night, you instructed your security guards to remove her from the Aladdin, which they did.
What country do you live in? Last time I checked, Las Vegas is still in the United States. And in the United States, we have something called "The First Amendment." This constitutional right gives everyone here the right to say whatever they want to say. All Americans hold this right as sacred. Many of our young people put on a uniform and risk their lives to defend it. My film is all about asking the questions that should have been asked before those brave soldiers were sent into harms way.
For you to throw Linda Ronstadt off the premises because she dared to say a few words in support of me and my film, is simply stupid and Un-American. Frankly, I have never heard of such a thing happening. I read that you wouldn't even let her go back up to her room at your hotel! Are you crazy? For crying out loud, it was a song DEDICATION! To "Desperado!" Every American loves that song! Sure, some people didn't like the dedication, and that's their right. But neither they nor you have the right to remove her from your building when all she did was exercise her AMERICAN right to speak her mind.
Of all the things that go on in Las Vegas, this is what creates the need for serious action? What about the other half of the crowd at the Aladdin who, according to the Las Vegas Sun, cheered her when she made her remarks? Did you throw them out, too?
I think you owe Ms. Ronstadt an apology. And I have an idea how you can make it up to her -- and to the millions of Americans you have offended. Invite her back and I'll join her in singing "America the Beautiful" on your stage. Then I will show "Fahrenheit 9/11" free of charge to all your guests and anyone else in Las Vegas who wants to see it.
Mr. Timmins, as the song "Desperado" says -- "Come to your senses!" How can you refuse this offer? I await your reply.
Yours, Michael Moore Director, "Fahrenheit 9/11"
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July 21, 2004
Attention: Michael Moore,
In response to your letter dated July 20, 2004: You are correct that I had security remove Linda Ronstadt from Aladdin Casino and Hotel where the fun never ends and everybody wins. How very interesting to learn you are such a fan of Ms. Ronstadt.
You questioned where I live and surprisingly knew Las Vegas is in the United States. You should visit it sometime. There are thousands of wonderful 'All You Can Eat' buffets.
There are also a lot of casinos who's owners don't fuck around. I am aware of the First Amendment and you have the right to talk about your hatred of America but once you are on my property and you are upsetting my guests, you will quickly learn about my rights.
I can't remember if it was Jesus or George W. Bush that said, "Freedom is a two-way street." Ms. Ronstadt learned this long before I had her thrown out of my casino. You question my actions? If you come onto my property and upset my guests, you will receive the same, if not worse, treatment than Ms. Ronstadt received. I am sure your mere presence would upset my guests.
You claim your film, "...is all about asking the questions that should have been asked before those brave soldiers were sent into harms way." I think your film does nothing but aid the enemy and hurt our troops. You have betrayed our troops, our leader and America. I have no respect for you or your vision of what America should be.
I paid Ms. Ronstadt to entertain my guests, not divide them. The half that did not leave probably thought the verse you mentioned, "Why don't you come to your senses" was addressed to you. Maybe she should have dedicated her song, 'You're No Good' to you. I would have asked her back, had she done that.
Regarding your request for me to apologize to her, have you and her on my stage singing anything about this Country and then playing your piece of shit film is ludicrous!
One of my workers is currently throwing away every complaint letter from brainless followers of you, claiming they will never visit my Casino. I could not be more pleased to know my casino and hotel will always be void of the kind of people who support you. Meanwhile, my hotel has been quickly booked solid for the rest of the year with true Americans who love this Country and support our efforts overseas.
They will see a framed copy of your letter and my response in the lobby to ensure they begin their experience with a laugh.
Sincerely,
Bill Timmins President Aladdin Casino and Hotel Las Vegas, N
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08-21-2004, 05:32 PM
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RE:Supposed letters between Bill Timmins (president of Aladdin Casino in Vegas) and Michael Moore.
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08-21-2004, 06:49 PM
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RE:Supposed letters between Bill Timmins (president of Aladdin Casino in Vegas) and Michael Moore.
Too funny! God I hate Michael Moore, I wish someone would put a bullet in his head.
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08-21-2004, 08:01 PM
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RE:Supposed letters between Bill Timmins (president of Aladdin Casino in Vegas) and Michael Moore.
Three cheers for Bill Timmins!
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08-21-2004, 10:22 PM
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RE: Supposed letters between Bill Timmins (president of Aladdin Casino in Vegas) and Michael Moore.
I must stay at the Alladin the next time I am in Vegas. God Bless Mr. Timmins and the United States of America.
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08-21-2004, 11:41 PM
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08-21-2004, 11:43 PM
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RE:Supposed letters between Bill Timmins (president of Aladdin Casino in Vegas) and Michael Moore.
Screw me try this link
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08-22-2004, 12:12 AM
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RE:Supposed letters between Bill Timmins (president of Aladdin Casino in Vegas) and Michael Moore.
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Originally posted by: Sinn Fein
Too funny! God I hate Michael Moore, I wish someone would put a bullet in his head.
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Yup...But I'll still stay at the alladin if I get to vegas. he did throw out the troll.
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08-22-2004, 01:00 AM
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RE:Supposed letters between Bill Timmins (president of Aladdin Casino in Vegas) and Michael Moore.
Michael Moore said
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And in the United States, we have something called "The First Amendment." This constitutional right gives everyone here the right to say whatever they want to say.
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On private property (which includes casinos) you can throw someone out for ANY reason (other than for racial or religious reasons). If they attempt to come back onto your private property then you can have them arrested for trespassing. There is no First Amendment on private property.
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08-22-2004, 01:15 AM
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RE:Supposed letters between Bill Timmins (president of Aladdin Casino in Vegas) and Michael Moore.
First amendment rights insure that there are no government repercussions for speaking out politically. However if you piss your boss of, or more important if you piss your bosses clients off while on the job, the 1st amendment doesn't do Sh#t to keep your sorry ass from being fired. There is a time and a place for political expression and that is when you're not on company time. But who would expect a walking and talking turd like Moore to understand that. We ought to take his fat ungrateful ass and drop it from 30,000 feet on the next suspect Al Queda camp. I know it would be inhumane, for Al Queda that is, but I really don't give a rat's ass about them or Moore for that matter.
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08-22-2004, 04:32 PM
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RE:Supposed letters between Bill Timmins (president of Aladdin Casino in Vegas) and Michael Moore.
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Originally posted by: Sinn Fein
Too funny! God I hate Michael Moore, I wish someone would put a bullet in his head.
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You guys have kooked out.
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08-23-2004, 05:46 AM
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RE:Supposed letters between Bill Timmins (president of Aladdin Casino in Vegas) and Michael Moore.
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Originally posted by: Sinn Fein
Too funny! God I hate Michael Moore, I wish someone would put a bullet in his head.
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This is getting more and more disturbing...
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