Could Iverson be the Answer?

[madape]

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (14.5 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 4.6 apg in 35.5 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.3 minutes)
SF Josh Howard (8.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 23.4 minutes)
Dallas receives: SG Allen Iverson (26.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 6.8 apg in 42.5 minutes)
SF Aaron McKie (8.7 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.5 apg in 27.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +8.2 ppg, -11.6 rpg, and +3.2 apg.

Philadelphia trades: SG Allen Iverson (26.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 6.8 apg in 42.5 minutes)
SF Aaron McKie (8.7 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.5 apg in 27.3 minutes)
Philadelphia receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.5 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 4.6 apg in 71 games)
PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 52 games)
SF Josh Howard (8.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 57 games)
Change in team outlook: -8.2 ppg, +11.6 rpg, and -3.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

PG - Nash
SG - Iverson
SF - Finley
PF - Dirk
C - Bradley

Bench - Jamison, McKie, Ostertag, Daniels, Najera

plusses: Attitude, heart, explosiveness, a quicker lineup, someone on the floor at all times who can create off the dribble, defenses forced to defend against a threat who can attack the rim at any time, better perimeter defense, quickness
minuses: Fewer shot attempts for the big three, weaker rebounding team, a smaller lineup, selfishness, poor low post passing, no decent man-to-man defenders in the post

[ddh33]

Iverson could very well be the answer.

If he gets dealt, I expect Dallas to be right in the middle of the conversations.

I don't like this particular trade though.

I think the best vehicle for this team to acquire a superstar - be it Iverson, McGrady, or someone else will depend on a couple of things: salry cap relief (Walker) and young talent (the rookies).

I have no problem trading Walker. I would rather keep the rookies though. Besides, even with Walker and one of the rookies, it probably wouldn't get it done.

I think the way to get someone of this calibur is to make the trade where Jamison is sent to Charlotte for the #4 pick.
Package that pick and Antoine Walker for one of the stars.
Even then, Dallas might have to take back more salary, but that's for Mark's checkbook...

[dalmations202]

No, no, no

AI is not the answer. No.....

We do not need a small volume shooter. As good as he is, no, no, no..........

[Nicky31]

I would package Walker and the 4th pick to the Laker's for Shaq. I know his name has been mentioned if eveything goes south this offseason with the Laker's.

Could you imagine this starting lineup...

Nash
Finley
Howard
Nowitzki
Shaq


This is probably just a pipe dream anyway. It would have to be at least a number 2 pick to get this done...

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: Nicky31
I would package Walker and the 4th pick to the Laker's for Shaq. I know his name has been mentioned if eveything goes south this offseason with the Laker's.

Could you imagine this starting lineup...

Nash
Finley
Howard
Nowitzki
Shaq


This is probably just a pipe dream anyway. It would have to be at least a number 2 pick to get this done...

I think you are correct....pipe dream.....but hey dreams are nice, and I like this one.

[jayC]

I like AI a lot, in fact outside the mavs he is my favorite player. Positives youd have the best little guard tandem in the NBA. Negatives opposing guards would post our little guys up at will.

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: jayC
I like AI a lot, in fact outside the mavs he is my favorite player. Positives youd have the best little guard tandem in the NBA. Negatives opposing guards would post our little guys up at will.

Positives - when the game is on the line, with 2 minutes left, and down by 4...he will get you those 4 points. He also has a way of getting steals.
Negatives - he is a volume shooter, and takes the ball out of the Big 3's hands. He is small and gets posted by bigger guys. Not to mention the lack of team first attitude.

[Evilmav2]

Depending upon how bad relations deteriorate between the Sixers organization and Iverson this Summer, this trade scenario could be much more realistic than most folks would think. If Philly was forced to deal the expensive and angry Iverson away (perhaps not to bad an option before his torn and ragged body completely falls to pieces), and if they would opt to pick up cap space and cheap prospects Denver-Atlanta-Phoenix style, rather than trade for an established, higher salaried player, Dallas would logically end up being one of the teams trying to make a deal happen.

Before things are said and done, Walker's contract is going to end up looking pretty attractive to rebuilding teams, and AI is exactly the kind of frustrated player on a salary cap constricted, bad team, that such said Walker contract might eventually net us...

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: Evilmav2
Depending upon how bad relations deteriorate between the Sixers organization and Iverson this Summer, this trade scenario could be much more realistic than most folks would think. If Philly was forced to deal the expensive and angry Iverson away (perhaps not to bad an option before his torn and ragged body completely falls to pieces), and if they would opt to pick up cap space and cheap prospects Denver-Atlanta-Phoenix style, rather than trade for an established, higher salaried player, Dallas would logically end up being one of the teams trying to make a deal happen.

Before things are said and done, Walker's contract is going to end up looking pretty attractive to rebuilding teams, and AI is exactly the kind of frustrated player on a salary cap constricted, bad team, that such said Walker contract might eventually net us...

Yes but what about the friction between Walker and the city of Philadelphia?? remember that "gesture" he made after the loss against Philly?

Walker has stated(when he was with the Celtics) that he dislikes Philly and everything about it. THOSE ARE HIS OWN WORDS. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]


If Walker is traded to Philly, oh boy......

[Evilmav2]

Yes but what about the friction between Walker and the city of Philadelphia?? remember that "gesture" he made after the loss against Philly?

Walker has stated(when he was with the Celtics) that he dislikes Philly and everything about it. THOSE ARE HIS OWN WORDS. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]


If Walker is traded to Philly, oh boy......

Philly would just be renting Antoine for a year in order to gain his expiring salary. If this kind of trade happened, I would pity both Antoine Walker, whom I have always liked, as well as the fans in Philly who would lose their beloved franchise fixture Iverson in exchange for another depressing cycle of rebuilding (although in Walker's case, he would actually probably be able to put up some pretty good numbers with a broken Philly team, and that could be a boon in helping his quest to net a richer contract in two Summer's time)...

Obviously, this sport is also a business (the classic cliche), and depending upon how Philly management views things, pulling the trigger on a deal like the Ape's could make a lot of sense to them in the context of their long-term financial health and on-court competitiveness...

We'll just have to see what happens this Summer or next year, but I will say that I will be amazed if some deal like this doesn't take place to trade Walker's good contract for expensive assets being fire-saled from a bad franchise...

[Chiwas]

I'm not interested in Iverson, but Ostertag can come right away.

[mavsman]

Not so sure if it's a great idea to trade away the guy who is despised because he's "stealing shots from the big three" while shooting 14 times a game with a 42% accuracy for somebody who takes more than 23 shots/g for 38%.

[mavsman55]

No way, man. Iverson is not a team player, he's just too selfish. His presence alone makes teams worse - you've seen how much better his team is without him. He's a self-proclaimed "volume shooter" as Walker described himself, only to a larger extent. Walker is a little more well-rounded, and I'd much rather have him than a selfish, arrogant player like Iverson. Plus, Howard is more valuable than McKie. We already have enough scorers, no need to bring in Iverson.

[aexchange]

i'd pull the trigger if the trade netted us dalembert.

if dalembert ever learns to go on the antoine walker diet and gain 20 lbs, he can be an absolute beast in the league. iverson doesn't do much for me, but i see him as being a better version of NVE. if you can get AI to buy into a NVE role off the bench, he'd be a fantastic asset.

[ddh33]

I know he has flaws and there is a lot not to like for some fans - both his game and his personality.

But I think Iverson is one of the few special players in this league. I think if you can get him, you do it.

I know people point to his FG%, but it doesn't bother me. He's never had anyone to take the scoring load off of him. He's never been able to get good open shots. Everything he gets is something that he has to create on his own. Put him in Dallas, surrounded by these players, you would be looking at a fantastic squad with the kind of attitude and mental toughness that is lacking right now. His shooting percentages would go up, his assists would go up, and he would be able to play in a free-flowing offense that would actually lengthen his career.

Like I said, if you can get a guy of his quality, get him.

[Murphy3]

He's too inefficient. If he were willing to come in and be at best the second option, then maybe you take a look. But, he's simply too inefficient to be the #1 option on this team.

[mavs413]

I think Allen Iverson WOULD fit on this team. He has never had a good offensive player with him so he has always needed to create his own shot and force things up, so the FG% and the TO's are misleading.

What he could bring this team.
#1 in steals at 2.4 a game
Gets to the FT line 11 times every 48 mins.
Big-time playoff performer with experience
Nick Van Exel times 5 with defense, marketability.

[mavs_afroman]

I would try to switch Dalembert for McKie but I'd do it either way. I think that Iverson would be great on the mavs squad. Moving him and bradley into the starting lineup makes our defense 5x better to begin with. Moving to a new city and moving to a team with much better offensive options than he's ever played with would make him a less selfish player. His play for team USA and in all-star games show that he normally is willing to scale back his game when he's playing with better players. I could see him quickly becoming the new Nick who everyone is scared of when he comes in but will end up loving.

He would also be awesome at running the pick n' roll like Nick and Nash did in the playoffs lat year. That would be a great way to get both he and Dirk involved with the offense without Iverson taking many bad shots.

[DubOverdose]

I don't know if he'd be a great fit in the team, but I do like him. He plays with heart, something many mavs don't do night in and night out. Also, he loves to be in the game playing. However, he'd have to learn how to listen to whoever coaches the mavs next year to be worthwhile at all.

[bernardos70]

Genius move. I think he could get Nellie fired. Heck, he's an expert at getting coaches fired. Plus he's a bastard, something this team needs.

Just kidding, AI is the Answer only if the question is "What don't the Mavs need?" A volume shooter, a whiner as he has shown..... don't know if you guys noticed that Philly has been on a row as of late without Iverson on the lineup. Coincidence or what?

I say we ONLY make a trade for defensive players. The big three are more than enough offense. You bring in a good center, Dirk plays at the 4. AI is the furthest thing from a defensive minded center as there can be.

[aggiecurt05]

Originally posted by: bernardos70
Genius move. I think he could get Nellie fired. Heck, he's an expert at getting coaches fired. Plus he's a bastard, something this team needs.

Just kidding, AI is the Answer only if the question is "What don't the Mavs need?" A volume shooter, a whiner as he has shown..... don't know if you guys noticed that Philly has been on a row as of late without Iverson on the lineup. Coincidence or what?

I say we ONLY make a trade for defensive players. The big three are more than enough offense. You bring in a good center, Dirk plays at the 4. AI is the furthest thing from a defensive minded center as there can be.

Allen Iverson is one of the best defensive perimeter players in the game, and would be much better if he had offensive support. As it is now, his whole team is on his shoulders, and he still works his tail off on both ends of the court. This is exactly the kind of player that the mavs need, a superstar who actually works on both ends. On the issue of the big three, I have seen enough of the big three, they don't play defense, and you can't win without playing defense. Bring in Iverson, TMac (he can play great defense, but just isn't focused on it in Orlando because he is their ONLY offensive player), or KMart. I honestly think we could pull in two of those three and still have Nash and either Jamison or Finley (maybe Dirk). This would be the direction I would go. No more superstars that don't play great defense along with good offense.

[Jeremiah]

Well, I'd love to see AI playing in a Mavs uni.

[madape]

I'll drink to that!

[jayC]

The biggest thing that nick vanexel gave us was his toughness. He has that intangible that you need in the lockerroom.

AI gives you some of the same things and hes a much better defender. This guy is a former league MVP in 2001. He also is very lanky and gets to the line with frequency. Id like to see him on a team where he doesn't have to create all his own offense. He demonstrated his playmaking ability this past summer with the dream team.

[Max Power]

If Iverson is the Answer then what the hell is the question? How to destroy a franchise maybe?

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: Max Power
If Iverson is the Answer then what the hell is the question? How to destroy a franchise maybe?

I wonder if Antoine learned from the Master? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]