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Male30Dan · 09-28-2006, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Guys I'm calling it right now. Even if they are all healthy, the rockets do NOT get out of the first round. Call me crazy if you want but I'll be sure to bump this around playoff time.

If they are all healthy, I could see them advancing to the 2nd round, but it is a stretch. If they get the 6th seed, I could very easily see them dismissing the winner of the poo division in our conference; however, if they get any other seed 4-5 or 7-8, (it should be safe to assume they aren't winning this division), they will be playing the 1st/2nd place team in our division - Dallas/SA - or Phoenix. Tough road if you ask me. Everyone needs to pray for the 3rd/6th seed, as that is really the only winnable series. SA, Dallas, and Phoenix WILL be in the 2nd round.

Five-ofan · 09-28-2006, 10:39 AM

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If they are all healthy, I could see them advancing to the 2nd round, but it is a stretch. If they get the 6th seed, I could very easily see them dismissing the winner of the poo division in our conference; however, if they get any other seed 4-5 or 7-8, (it should be safe to assume they aren't winning this division), they will be playing the 1st/2nd place team in our division - Dallas/SA - or Phoenix. Tough road if you ask me. Everyone needs to pray for the 3rd/6th seed, as that is really the only winnable series. SA, Dallas, and Phoenix WILL be in the 2nd round.

if they get the 5th seed they will get winner of the crap division. Remember they changed the seeding system to the 3 division winners and the best second place team are seeded according to record for the top 4. IMO thats actually a DUMBER system than we just had but it would change that scenario...

chumdawg · 09-28-2006, 10:44 AM

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If they are all healthy, I could see them advancing to the 2nd round, but it is a stretch. If they get the 6th seed, I could very easily see them dismissing the winner of the poo division in our conference; however, if they get any other seed 4-5 or 7-8, (it should be safe to assume they aren't winning this division), they will be playing the 1st/2nd place team in our division - Dallas/SA - or Phoenix. Tough road if you ask me. Everyone needs to pray for the 3rd/6th seed, as that is really the only winnable series. SA, Dallas, and Phoenix WILL be in the 2nd round.

I think it's too early to be making such blanket statements. I can certainly imagine Houston taking second place in the division, if not contending for first.

Dtownsfinest · 09-28-2006, 11:35 AM

I think people forget how dominant Yao and T-Mac are when healthy. If healthy they are by far the most dominant duo in the league. No one even compares.

Five-ofan · 09-28-2006, 11:40 AM

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I think people forget how dominant Yao and T-Mac are when healthy. If healthy they are by far the most dominant duo in the league. No one even compares.

Shaq and wade???

#1MavsFan · 09-28-2006, 11:46 AM

If tmac is really healthy like he claims and yao doesn't get hurt again , they're serious title contenders imo. Have we forgetton just how good TMAC was? If he's healthy he is a top 5 player if no better.

Flacolaco · 09-28-2006, 12:11 PM

So what we're saying here, is that the Mavs could possibly finish 3rd in the division? Because there is no way in hell or here on gods green earth that the Spurs arent finishing 1 or 2, and now we have all these nice things to say about Houston?

i still dont think they can get it all together long enough to make a good run...

fluid.forty.one · 09-28-2006, 12:16 PM

T-Mac hasn't proven anything...ever.

And you have to realize how unsure their health is. People keep saying "if they are healthy", but I don't see it happening. Someone thing will happen to them, it always does. And if it doesnt they still dont compare to the mavs or the spurs.

#1MavsFan · 09-28-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

T-Mac hasn't proven anything...ever.

And you have to realize how unsure their health is. People keep saying "if they are healthy", but I don't see it happening. Someone thing will happen to them, it always does. And if it doesnt they still dont compare to the mavs or the spurs.

uhh what are you talking about? "hasn't proven anything...ever."??? Did you not see him light us up in the playoffs a couple seasons agao and single handely keep the rockets afloat? The man is a superstar when healthy, no way around it. Imagine if he had Yao in his current state, Battier, and Wells a couple seasons ago.

fluid.forty.one · 09-28-2006, 12:23 PM

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uhh what are you talking about? "hasn't proven anything...ever."??? Did you not see him light us up in the playoffs a couple seasons agao and single handely keep the rockets afloat? The man is a superstar when healthy, no way around it. Imagine if he had Yao in his current state, Battier, and Wells a couple seasons ago.

Which round did he light up again?

Oh and which round did he not get out of?

Exactly, he hasn't proven anything ever. How many times has he been bounced out of the first round, and how many times has he gotten past it? He suffers from a severe case of KG syndrome.

fluid.forty.one · 09-28-2006, 12:25 PM

To clarify: I don't think he's a bad basketball player. He is VERY good. That doesn't mean he is "proven" in the playoffs though.

#1MavsFan · 09-28-2006, 12:25 PM

IMO its absurd to say that he hasn't proven anything since he hasn't gotten out of the 1rst round due to the fact he lacked the players around him. He's been a stud in the playoffs, and now that he has a team around him it could get scary.

fluid.forty.one · 09-28-2006, 12:30 PM

Okay well I promise T-Mac will not get out of the first round. Healthy or not.

You're more than welcome to bump this thread if I'm wrong.

#1MavsFan · 09-28-2006, 12:31 PM

Alright will do.

nikeball · 09-28-2006, 12:47 PM

I believe T-Mac and Yao when they played together in the 2005-2006 season the Rockets had a combined record of 21-10. That sounds pretty good in my book. With all these new additions and with a healthy T-mac and Yao, the Rockets will be a very formidable team.

If anyone watched Bonzi Wells last year (although he was playing in a contract season), he is a very capable scorer and rebounder.

Shane Battier is an awesome glue man, who does all the dirty work. I dont think he can stop duncan/garnett/dirk .. the bigger power forwards in the league.

I believe their starting 5 is one of the best in basketball...

their bench is a huge question however, they still have some talent

young and capable back up pg in lutherhead, vspan..lit USA up in world tourney, old man howard and deke, kirk.

I believe the rockets, without injury, is a top team in the league. Either way, I see the rankings like this for SW division:

1. Mavs - obvious reasons
2. Spurs - TD and gang should be healthy and that is a big problem
3. Rockets - without injuries
4. Hornets - nice off season additions in peja and chandler
5. memphis - pau out for several months is a huge blow imo.

Dirkenstien · 09-28-2006, 01:06 PM

Our division is scary. We can all look forward to seeing some ultra competitive competition this season.

david12sfa · 09-28-2006, 02:08 PM

This just might bring Houston their 3rd ring!

Drbio · 09-28-2006, 02:23 PM

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This just might bring Houston their 3rd ring!

Wake up.....someone get this man a reality check.

Flacolaco · 09-28-2006, 02:41 PM

the division really is going to be tough.

At least Gasol got hurt.....

you know....so we dont have to look at his ugly beard. not because anybody is afraid of him and the grizz....

Underdog · 09-28-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Our division is scary. We can all look forward to seeing some ultra competitive competition this season.

That should make for some good games - barring injuries, of course...

TheDiggler · 09-28-2006, 03:15 PM

Guys keep in mind that Houston was already a good team before injuries.....Injuries happen and they ran into some bad luck. They took the Mavs to 7 games 2 seasons ago and scared the hell out of them. All some of you remember is that game 7 blow out and the Mav's deserved to win....better team. This Houston team is dangerous even before the signing of Wells. I guaruntee that Greg Pop and Avery J are VERY concerned and will openly admit it. The Southwest Division is serious! The Hornets and Memphis are no joke either.

david12sfa · 09-28-2006, 03:56 PM

Thank you! Dallas, Houston and the Spurs can all win the west. As to DrBio's statement to wake up, you need to stop drinking the kool-aid and realize that even winning the divison is not a lock for the Mav's

Five-ofan · 09-28-2006, 04:01 PM

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Thank you! Dallas, Houston and the Spurs can all win the west. As to DrBio's statement to wake up, you need to stop drinking the kool-aid and realize that even winning the divison is not a lock for the Mav's

It might not be a lock that the mavs do win the division but it is a lock that the rockets dont get higher than 3rd...

Underdog · 09-28-2006, 04:15 PM

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It might not be a lock that the mavs do win the division but it is a lock that the rockets dont get higher than 3rd...

Id put smart money on that statement (um, furrit, not aginnit!)

TheDiggler · 09-28-2006, 04:19 PM

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It might not be a lock that the mavs do win the division but it is a lock that the rockets dont get higher than 3rd...

How can you be so sure? Would Avery say that? Are you that cocky? Look, it was the Mav's year last year and they had their chance, just came up short. This year will be even harder to get back because the divison is even better than it was 2 years ago. The MavsARE the best team in the West.......The Mavs deserve that, but the margin is very,very slim. The Spurs are the Mavs alter ego and the Rockets are kinfolks. The Rockets are just as dangerous as the Suns, probably even more because of Yao and Tracy. It's going to be a fun season. The Mavs are the team to beat.

Underdog · 09-28-2006, 04:29 PM

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The Rockets are just as dangerous as the Suns, probably even more because of Yao and Tracy. It's going to be a fun season. The Mavs are the team to beat.

More dangerous because they're in our division... (athough injuries tend to wash speculation away...)

nashtymavsfan13 · 09-28-2006, 05:13 PM

Wait, so is it official yet?

Underdog · 09-28-2006, 06:02 PM

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Wait, so is it official yet?

I don't think so...

Five-ofan · 09-28-2006, 06:03 PM

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How can you be so sure? Would Avery say that? Are you that cocky? Look, it was the Mav's year last year and they had their chance, just came up short. This year will be even harder to get back because the divison is even better than it was 2 years ago. The MavsARE the best team in the West.......The Mavs deserve that, but the margin is very,very slim. The Spurs are the Mavs alter ego and the Rockets are kinfolks. The Rockets are just as dangerous as the Suns, probably even more because of Yao and Tracy. It's going to be a fun season. The Mavs are the team to beat.

seeing as how i dont see the suns as much of a threat barring Amare making a deal with the devil, that really doesnt scare me. I think the rockets are a good team. I think they will win somewhere between 50-55 but they wont have a better record than the mavs and spurs.

RoxFan · 09-28-2006, 06:33 PM

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It might not be a lock that the mavs do win the division but it is a lock that the rockets dont get higher than 3rd...

A "lock," really? SA is getting older and the Rox cast is much better than the team that took you guys to the 7th game without a dominant Yao. Personally, I can't wait until November 4th.

RoxFan · 09-28-2006, 06:34 PM

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Wait, so is it official yet?

Official, signed, done deal.

fluid.forty.one · 09-28-2006, 06:37 PM

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A "lock," really? SA is getting older and the Rox cast is much better than the team that took you guys to the 7th game without a dominant Yao. Personally, I can't wait until November 4th.

Yao played pretty good in that series, I don't know what you're talking about. Heck he scored 33 in the 40 point loss.

RoxFan · 09-28-2006, 06:43 PM

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Yao played pretty good in that series, I don't know what you're talking about. Heck he scored 33 in the 40 point loss.

He played pretty well in that series, but that was before two years of seasoning and the removal of a bone infection that he suffered from for years. Yao will be much more dominant this year and if TMac is healthy, we could very well go for 60+ wins and challenge both y'all and SA for the division.

The problem in that loss was not Yao or TMac, it was the supporting cast. This year, we have Battier and Wells in addition to a guy named Head who shot .482 from distance in November last year. We are far deeper than the team that took two games from y'all in Dallas two years ago and everyone in the league is going to have trouble with us.

I am not saying the Rox are a lock to win the division, but saying that they are locked into third place in the division is pure folly.

mavs7 · 09-28-2006, 06:47 PM

GO ROCKETS!....err mavs

Underdog · 09-28-2006, 06:49 PM

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He played pretty well in that series, but that was before two years of seasoning and the removal of a bone infection that he suffered from for years. Yao will be much more dominant this year and if TMac is healthy, we could very well go for 60+ wins and challenge both y'all and SA for the division.

The problem in that loss was not Yao or TMac, it was the supporting cast. This year, we have Battier and Wells in addition to a guy named Head who shot .482 from distance in November last year. We are far deeper than the team that took two games from y'all in Dallas two years ago and everyone in the league is going to have trouble with us.

I am not saying the Rox are a lock to win the division, but saying that they are locked into third place in the division is pure folly.

I see you folks out in Houston are still dipping your weed in formaldehyde...

fluid.forty.one · 09-28-2006, 06:52 PM

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He played pretty well in that series, but that was before two years of seasoning and the removal of a bone infection that he suffered from for years. Yao will be much more dominant this year and if TMac is healthy, we could very well go for 60+ wins and challenge both y'all and SA for the division.

The problem in that loss was not Yao or TMac, it was the supporting cast. This year, we have Battier and Wells in addition to a guy named Head who shot .482 from distance in November last year. We are far deeper than the team that took two games from y'all in Dallas two years ago and everyone in the league is going to have trouble with us.

I am not saying the Rox are a lock to win the division, but saying that they are locked into third place in the division is pure folly.

IMO they will get the 3rd spot in the division (hardest division ever? seriously) but anything could happen. Hope to see you guys in the playoffs in the 2nd round. Childs play compared to this years 2nd round for us. We have a lot better defenders now so it will be interesting for Tmac, and Yao will have to deal with the 3 headed monster now. Even without all that I'm still not worried. You seem like a nice level headed fan though so welcome to the board.

RoxFan · 09-28-2006, 06:54 PM

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I see you folks out in Houston are still dipping your weed in formaldehyde...

What exactly did I say that you find inaccurate?

Or are you merely able to disparage sources rather than disputing facts?

Underdog · 09-28-2006, 06:58 PM

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What exactly did I say that you find inaccurate?

Or are you merely able to disparage sources rather than disputing facts?

What facts??? This is the presaeson - a place for speculation alone... There aren't any facts! Bonzi Wells could get in a car wreck tomorrow & never play ball again... See you in November, chump...

(oh, and welcome to the MAVS boards...)

RoxFan · 09-28-2006, 07:13 PM

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IMO they will get the 3rd spot in the division (hardest division ever? seriously) but anything could happen.

It will definitely qualify as the hardest division ever. And you are right that anything could happen. Like I said, I am not predicting anything, merely making the comment that the Rockets will be tough to beat this year.

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Hope to see you guys in the playoffs in the 2nd round.

I guess it could happen if y'all can hold down the 4th seed.

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Childs play compared to this years 2nd round for us.

Say that again in May.

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We have a lot better defenders now so it will be interesting for Tmac, and Yao will have to deal with the 3 headed monster now.

Just like Dirk, nobody can shut TMac down when he is healthy. I don't care who you put on him, TMac will go off.

As far as Yao goes, you will need to put all three guys on him at the same time and I think league rules disallow having seven guys on the court at the same time. Yao averaged 26 and 12 after the all-star break (after the toe infection was removed) and will continue that kind of play this year.

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Even without all that I'm still not worried. You seem like a nice level headed fan though so welcome to the board.

I wouldn't expect you to be worried yet. You can start on October 17th.

Thank you for the welcome, but I am a fairly rabid fan who won season tickets this year due to my rowdiness. However, I will never troll or insult people, even those who choose to live in Dallas. I keed, I keed.

RoxFan · 09-28-2006, 07:15 PM

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What facts??? This is the presaeson - a place for speculation alone... There aren't any facts! Bonzi Wells could get in a car wreck tomorrow & never play ball again... See you in November, chump...

(oh, and welcome to the MAVS boards...)

It is good to meet a mavs fan who is so nice to newcomers and welcoming of other people.

Actually, we will see you October 17th, dude.