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mavs777 · 07-04-2011, 08:26 AM

I am not sure how you can think Fernandez would go an excess of basically a 6 year 25 million dollar deal with the upcoming CBA.

Underdog · 07-04-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

I am not sure how you can think Fernandez would go an excess of basically a 6 year 25 million dollar deal with the upcoming CBA.

Sure, you won't be able to get any 6-year contracts after the new CBA is in place, but that's just how the NBA is now - Europe has that advantage, but they're still a 2nd-rate league.

$25m/6 seasons = $4.2m/season... You don't think a guy who's earning $2.2m on the tail end of his rookie contract can earn more than $4.2m/season in the NBA?? Barea's worth that, and his ceiling isn't nearly as high as Rudy's.

All the boy needs to do is earn the starting SG spot on the champs and he'll easily be able to broker a deal comparable to what Spain is offering, if not better...

mavs777 · 07-04-2011, 09:11 AM

I don't see Fernandez getting as much as Barea whether he deserves it or not, Fernandez is an 2 guard that hasn't scored effeciently in the league, he also isn't exactly a great defender. And his next contract will be probably about 3 years for 10-14 million in that range, when that contract is up he will be 30 and most likely get payed less. In sum in 6 years I don't see him making 25 million (nor do I see Barea for that matter).

Underdog · 07-04-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

I don't see Fernandez getting as much as Barea whether he deserves it or not, Fernandez is an 2 guard that hasn't scored effeciently in the league, he also isn't exactly a great defender. And his next contract will be probably about 3 years for 10-14 million in that range, when that contract is up he will be 30 and most likely get payed less. In sum in 6 years I don't see him making 25 million (nor do I see Barea for that matter).

I'm not talking about over the next 6 years, I'm talking about per year.

There aren't going to be ANY 6-year deals in the NBA, so I don't see how that time scale is relevant. Sure, that's what he's being offered by Spain, but that ALL he's being offered - he'll never be an NBA star or win an NBA championship or have a chance to earn a big NBA contract. If he signs in Europe, his basketball legacy will be reduced to "minor league hero" at best... Don't underestimate the ego of a Spaniard - the guy would have never joined the NBA if he wasn't interested in playing with the best of the best, plus he'd be selling himself short to cut and run for $25m when his maximum potential could net him a much bigger contract in the States.

I mean, $4.2m/year is Steve Blake money... You don't think Rudy Fernandez can earn Steve Blake money in the NBA? I bet Rudy does...

sefant77 · 07-04-2011, 03:20 PM

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I mean, $4.2m/year is Steve Blake money... You don't think Rudy Fernandez can earn Steve Blake money in the NBA? I bet Rudy does...

Its OLD Blake money.

4.2m last season will be like getting 3m with the next CBA, i expect an average salary drop of at least 25% for the "non stars".

grndmstr_c · 07-04-2011, 12:19 PM

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...Fernandez is an 2 guard that hasn't scored effeciently in the league, he also isn't exactly a great defender. And his next contract will be probably about 3 years for 10-14 million in that range...

First off, not sure how you think you can put a dollar and year estimate on Rudy's next contract (let alone close the book on his NBA resume) when he's still a year away from free agency and hasn't played a game with the Mavs yet. His play next season will determine his value. Second, 3 years at 14 million (your number) is 4.67 million per year, which is ~ $500,000 a year more than the reported European offer. Setting aside the head-scratching fact that you're talking down the guy's earning potential in the states while at the same time talking it up, you've basically made UD's point for him. The Spanish offer is hardly so good that he can't afford to pass it up.

Zaknaf3in · 07-04-2011, 02:56 PM

I'm just glad the decision is his, and not mine to make.

On the other hand.... hm.

dalger · 07-04-2011, 03:13 PM

Unless Rudy has already set his mind to go back to Spain after next season, it seems a bit premature to draw any conclusions as it relates to his future in this or another league based on the Real Madrid offer. Let's just say that A LOT can happen in an entire year.

sefant77 · 07-04-2011, 08:28 PM

Pretty sure if the Mavs have enough depth (backup PG) and general scoring (Terry) they have no problem with Kidd and Terry going to 24min per game.

MascisMan · 07-04-2011, 10:42 PM

My only fear is that if he takes the deal AND "honors" his final year with the Mavs, he will be very disinterested and unenthusiastic (while looking forward to going back home).

Basically it could be a reverse bizarro contract year. Instead of playing for a contract, he would be playing to hurry up and finish the season. Hope I'm wrong.

Budapest Maverick · 07-05-2011, 08:52 AM

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My only fear is that if he takes the deal AND "honors" his final year with the Mavs, he will be very disinterested and unenthusiastic (while looking forward to going back home).

Basically it could be a reverse bizarro contract year. Instead of playing for a contract, he would be playing to hurry up and finish the season. Hope I'm wrong.

"Rudy Fernandez made his decision: He's staying in the NBA. The Spanish guard will honor his contract with Dallas and then he will decide what to do with his career." Marca.com

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#gP3-r169H

Dirkenstien · 07-05-2011, 09:02 AM

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"Rudy Fernandez made his decision: He's staying in the NBA. The Spanish guard will honor his contract with Dallas and then he will decide what to do with his career." Marca.com

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#gP3-r169H

I guess he figures this next season can't be any worse than his last one. I hope this doesn't prove to be a distraction but I'm sure he'll be more motivated than ever to get his career back on path.

Underdog · 07-05-2011, 09:22 AM

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I guess he figures this next season can't be any worse than his last one. I hope this doesn't prove to be a distraction but I'm sure he'll be more motivated than ever to get his career back on path.

Yeah, I see no reason why he would be a distraction - he has the perfect opportunity to earn a huge NBA contract right now and the only way to do that is to bust his ass. If he thought Spain's offer was his best chance to get paid, then he probably would've taken it...

dude1394 · 07-05-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

"Rudy Fernandez made his decision: He's staying in the NBA. The Spanish guard will honor his contract with Dallas and then he will decide what to do with his career." Marca.com

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#gP3-r169H

Excellent news. That lob trophy paying some dividends I think. But the team itself has to be a bigmdraw for him.

Pretty confident in his abilities as well, I like that. Carlisle is going to be all over his shooting.

jthig32 · 07-05-2011, 09:05 AM

Dangit, I *almost* threw down a "book it" on this one. Ah well. I'm happy he put this to rest quickly.

sike · 07-05-2011, 09:18 AM

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Dangit, I *almost* threw down a "book it" on this one.

coward.

LonghornDub · 07-05-2011, 10:37 AM

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Dangit, I *almost* threw down a "book it" on this one. Ah well. I'm happy he put this to rest quickly.

When in doubt, always err on the side of a "Book it," "Bet the farm," "Mark it down," etc. Always a good idea to throw one of those bad boys down.

dude1394 · 07-05-2011, 11:02 AM

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When in doubt, always err on the side of a "Book it," "Bet the farm," "Mark it down," etc. Always a good idea to throw one of those bad boys down.

ESPECIALLY if you want the opposite to happen!

Rick41 · 07-05-2011, 09:43 AM

I wasn't worried he would of accepted the deal anyway.

He seemed WAY too excited about becoming a Mav.

j0Shi · 07-05-2011, 11:37 AM

Phew ... feel like we dodged a bullet there.

grndmstr_c · 07-05-2011, 11:47 AM

Nice.

Not buying the Rudy vs. Booby bit. Booby needs to develop as a PG. And with JJB's departure still a distinct possibility he may yet get his chance.

ddh33 · 07-05-2011, 01:13 PM

I don't know for sure how Fernandez is going to work out in Dallas, but I am very excited that he is planning to wait a year before making any decisions.

Perhaps I am an eternal optimist, but I think he has a real chance to blow up in Dallas. I can really imagine him taking off here.

But I think it speaks highly of the Mavs and the culture here that he wants to see how things go before taking more money and being the biggest star back home.

Zaknaf3in · 07-05-2011, 10:19 PM

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I don't know for sure how Fernandez is going to work out in Dallas, but I am very excited that he is planning to wait a year before making any decisions.

Perhaps I am an eternal optimist, but I think he has a real chance to blow up in Dallas. I can really imagine him taking off here.

But I think it speaks highly of the Mavs and the culture here that he wants to see how things go before taking more money and being the biggest star back home.

Good to read you again, sir!

mavs777 · 07-06-2011, 12:39 AM

Basically all Fernandez did is say he was going to wait, either way he has a contract with the mavs for this season.

euroRudy · 07-05-2011, 05:15 PM

Rudy Fernandez will pass on a six-year, $26 million offer from Real Madrid.

Fernandez would have become the highest-paid player in the Spanish ACB.

Fernandez is due to make just $2.2 million during the 11-12 season before becoming a restricted free agent next summer.

Dallas traded its 26th overall pick, Jordan Hamilton, to the Portland Trail Blazers for Fernandez as part of a three-team, draft-night swap. The Mavs also sent the 57th pick to Portland and received point guard Petteri Koponen.

According to the report from Marca.com, support from Mark Cuban helped convince Fernandez to decline the offer.
Via ESPN

Underdog · 07-05-2011, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by euroRudy

Rudy Fernandez will pass on a six-year, $26 million offer from Real Madrid.

Fernandez would have become the highest-paid player in the Spanish ACB.

Fernandez is due to make just $2.2 million during the 11-12 season before becoming a restricted free agent next summer.

Dallas traded its 26th overall pick, Jordan Hamilton, to the Portland Trail Blazers for Fernandez as part of a three-team, draft-night swap. The Mavs also sent the 57th pick to Portland and received point guard Petteri Koponen.

According to the report from Marca.com, support from Mark Cuban helped convince Fernandez to decline the offer.
Via ESPN

Championship clout.

Kidd Karma · 07-05-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by euroRudy

Rudy Fernandez will pass on a six-year, $26 million offer from Real Madrid.

According to the report from Marca.com, support from Mark Cuban helped convince Fernandez to decline the offer.
Via ESPN

...Now what kind of support would that be? At least there is nothing quoted. I thought owners can't communicate with players.

grndmstr_c · 07-05-2011, 06:28 PM

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...Now what kind of support would that be? At least there is nothing quoted. I thought owners can't communicate with players.

If the Mavs were smart (and the usually are), they made their optimism about Rudy's bright future with the Mavs and in the NBA very clear to him before the lockout kicked in.

Underdog · 07-05-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

If the Mavs were smart (and the usually are), they made their optimism about Rudy's bright future with the Mavs and in the NBA very clear to him before the lockout kicked in.

Hell, I'm sure they communicated their intentions before the trade even happened...

Maringa · 07-06-2011, 07:23 AM

If....(I mean if...) Rudy does have his break-out year, and his talents fit the Mav's scheme...the line-up of Kidd, Rudy, Caron, Dirk & Chandler and second team with Barea, Jet/Roddy, Peja, Marion and Haywood (or any combination of the top ten Mav's players) looks pretty deadly...Well balanced all the way through...I know that some of those players may not be back (Barea, Peja), but it has to be hard to face a team that has two good starting line-ups...If you are trying to beat the Mavs..you are just going to have to be lucky...With the new found/championship confidence, the Mavs are going to be hard to beat next year.

sefant77 · 07-06-2011, 07:46 AM

Smart decision by Rudy.

If he leaves he is done with the NBA forever. if he has a semi-breakout year (maybe as starter) he can easily get 3-4 years/12milion. If he has a hard year in Dallas he can get a similiar 4-5 year contract with Real (probably).

With 29 or 30 he can still go back to spain to get a fat three year contract. Or another one in the NBA.

Sure, there is some risk for him to lose a few million longterm if he really doesnt "make" it in the NBA but also the risk to throw away prime years in the NBA (with maybe even higher salary).

Rick41 · 08-15-2011, 09:30 AM

http://www.sportando.net/eng/europe/...fernandez.html

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Real Madrid agreed to terms with Rudy Fernandez
The Spanish player will sign a four-year deal
Spain
According to Spanish media (Onda Madrid was the first one to report), Rudy Fernandez agreed to terms with Real Madrid for the next four seasons. The Spanish guard will return to NBA just for the season 2011-12 when lockout ends playing with Dallas Mavericks who acquired him via trade during in June.

In the summer 2012, Rudy Fernandez will definitely return to Spain and Real Madrid.

Rudy has played with Portland Trail Blazers in the NBA averaging 9.1ppg, 2.5rpg and 2.2apg in 218 games and 24.1 minutes of action.

The deal will be official before the end of the current week and Rudy will reportedly earn around €3M per season.

For some reason, I feel his heart wont be in Dallas the year he plays here and wont give us 100%.

bernardos70 · 08-15-2011, 09:55 AM

One year lease. How much he'll care for that one year here will be really put into question. And that simple fact will raise even more questions, and every bad performance of his will be put under the microscope.... He should have waited to ink this deal with Real Madrid.... oh well.

sefant77 · 08-15-2011, 11:33 AM

Probably wasted pick then.

I really dont get why he didnt wait for the deal. Of course Real would offer him such a deal next season too. Now he killed all chances to have a "rebirth" year in Dallas and teams offering him at least a similar deal.

Rick41 · 08-15-2011, 12:02 PM

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Probably wasted pick then.

I really dont get why he didnt wait for the deal. Of course Real would offer him such a deal next season too. Now he killed all chances to have a "rebirth" year in Dallas and teams offering him at least a similar deal.

He's been a whiny bitch about the NBA for a while now.

I still hope he can contribute for us though.

bernardos70 · 08-15-2011, 12:58 PM

The NBA lockout is already f*cking us up.

I hope I'm as wrong about him this year as I was about Tyson Chandler last year.

dude1394 · 08-15-2011, 01:45 PM

Looks like they should possibly look to move him (ie cut him). I don't see investing time in a rental. Unless it just doesn't make sense financially.

Rick41 · 08-15-2011, 02:04 PM

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Looks like they should possibly look to move him (ie cut him). I don't see investing time in a rental. Unless it just doesn't make sense financially.

I was thinking the same thing.

Possibly being traded for us to get something back in return at least.

LonghornDub · 08-15-2011, 02:18 PM

That's too bad. I thought he could be a decent long-term piece here. But if he was gonna leave, we all knew it'd be because he just wants to get the hell out of the U.S. Nothing the Mavs could've done.

CadBane · 08-15-2011, 03:38 PM

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That's too bad. I thought he could be a decent long-term piece here. But if he was gonna leave, we all knew it'd be because he just wants to get the hell out of the U.S. Nothing the Mavs could've done.

This.

Pretty bush league move by Rudy. He had a real chance to give himself another shot in the NBA with a great team who thought highly of him and took a shot at him.